PCBeta guy got his SkyDrive account banned for uploading some "comics&#

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A PCBeta member posted about his SkyDrive account was banned, he thought it was because he uploaded some "Tinkle" comics, as he received this MS notification:

http://bbs.pcbeta.co...157302-1-1.html

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Brief translation: Your SkyDrive account has violated MS code of conduct, you can contact us within 48 hours. and if you have good reasons, you are allowed to log in and delete the contents in question and re-open your account, otherwise we shall enforce account closure if such contions are not met.

...and when he tried to contact MS, this was what he got:

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I tried to google "Tinkle" image, and found them to be some comics from the Indian author, seems nothing special about it, but the interesting thing was, if I goole "tinkle child abuse".....it seems there is a child protection organization in Singapore called "Tinkle Friend".

Of course it is impossible for MS to actually review the shear number of images uploaded to SkyDrive, and they used automated apps to check on "image DNA"; well, was it something went crazy and caused the closure of this poor guy's account, or maybe some other reason, hopefully we could find it out in time. :o

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about 2 or 3 months ago I uploaded some porn pics to see how long they would take to delete the account on an old account i basically never use. Its still there, just checked again.

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It's a worrying trend. How long until a version of Windows defaults to saving all your content in the cloud? Windows 8 already comes bundled with SkyDrive and the default login method is via a Microsoft account. Soon Microsoft will dictate what you are and aren't allowed to view. Good times.

Cloud storage should be considered private and corporations should have no right to access it, even if it is via automated scanners.

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  On 09/10/2012 at 07:05, rippleman said:

about 2 or 3 months ago I uploaded some porn pics to see how long they would take to delete the account on an old account i basically never use. Its still there, just checked again.

It probably only comes to their attention if someone reports the content

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  On 09/10/2012 at 14:09, theyarecomingforyou said:

the default login method is via a Microsoft account.

It is not yet. You can always use a local account. Just look up for a link on the left corner part of the setup and you'll be good.

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  On 09/10/2012 at 14:09, theyarecomingforyou said:

It's a worrying trend. How long until a version of Windows defaults to saving all your content in the cloud? Windows 8 already comes bundled with SkyDrive and the default login method is via a Microsoft account. Soon Microsoft will dictate what you are and aren't allowed to view. Good times.

Cloud storage should be considered private and corporations should have no right to access it, even if it is via automated scanners.

And then you will only be able to put HDD's externally.

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  On 09/10/2012 at 14:50, Crisps said:

I have 2 desktop wallpapers of women in bikini's, I wonder if that'll get my account locked down.

Im sure youll only get locked when they are completely undressed

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It should be considered private unless it has been shared public, Microsoft are not the Police and should have no right to enforce their TOS that compromises privacy, unless they are under direction by a court order to do so, and have put in a reasonable amount of effort to fight the court orders if there are reasonable grounds to do so. As it stands now, you simply can not trust the Microsoft "Cloud".

https://www.eff.org/pages/who-has-your-back

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  On 09/10/2012 at 14:09, theyarecomingforyou said:

It's a worrying trend. How long until a version of Windows defaults to saving all your content in the cloud? Windows 8 already comes bundled with SkyDrive and the default login method is via a Microsoft account. Soon Microsoft will dictate what you are and aren't allowed to view. Good times.

Cloud storage should be considered private and corporations should have no right to access it, even if it is via automated scanners.

Totally agree with ya.

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  On 09/10/2012 at 14:40, Jose_49 said:

It is not yet. You can always use a local account. Just look up for a link on the left corner part of the setup and you'll be good.

Yes, he's right to say "default" becuase that's the default choice on installation, of course, it gives you another choice to use a local account like you said. :)
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  On 09/10/2012 at 15:00, Simon- said:

It should be considered private unless it has been shared public, Microsoft are not the Police and should have no right to enforce their TOS that compromises privacy, unless they are under direction by a court order to do so, and have put in a reasonable amount of effort to fight the court orders if there are reasonable grounds to do so. As it stands now, you simply can not trust the Microsoft "Cloud".

https://www.eff.org/...o-has-your-back

They physically own the servers that your content is being stored on, so they retain some liability if you upload illegal content onto their services (although they like to say otherwise in their terms of service, a court of law isn't inclined to have to agree), especially if they do nothing to prevent that. And "no right to enfore their ToS"? Really? It's the terms you agree too to use their service, they have every full right to enforce it if you agree too it. That's the whole point of having a ToS.

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They physically own the servers that your content is being stored on, so they retain some liability if you upload illegal content onto their services (although they like to say otherwise in their terms of service, a court of law isn't inclined to have to agree), especially if they do nothing to prevent that. And no right to enfore their ToS? Really? It's the terms you agree too to use their service, they have every full right to enforce it if you agree too it, that's hte whole point of having a ToS.

Exactly. They HAVE to police the content to offer the service. They ARE liable for what is uploaded.

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  On 09/10/2012 at 15:26, ~Johnny said:

They physically own the servers that your content is being stored on, so they retain some liability if you upload illegal content onto their services (although they like to say otherwise in their terms of service, a court of law isn't inclined to have to agree), especially if they do nothing to prevent that. And "no right to enfore their ToS"? Really? It's the terms you agree too to use their service, they have every full right to enforce it if you agree too it. That's the whole point of having a ToS.

Pretty sure courts have thrown out such 'EULA' buried measures in the past. If their legal was so iron clad, they wouldn't be (and aren't) liable for unshared content.

This absolutely shakes any confidence I have in MS as a company and adds to my distaste of the upcoming products.

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  On 09/10/2012 at 18:13, Dashel said:

Pretty sure courts have thrown out such 'EULA' buried measures in the past. If their legal was so iron clad, they wouldn't be (and aren't) liable for unshared content.

This absolutely shakes any confidence I have in MS as a company and adds to my distaste of the upcoming products.

too bad everyone else does the same then.

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  On 09/10/2012 at 15:41, nik louch said:

Exactly. They HAVE to police the content to offer the service. They ARE liable for what is uploaded.

The issue is, they aren't liable if they had no prior knowledge... it would be like saying your mortgage company is responsible for not coming to your house randomly and making sure you aren't storing any illegal stuff and don't have a meth lab. It's not their responsibility but it is technically their property until you've paid off your debt. Plus, where does the "Prove you paid for that" end.... do we all need to save EVERY receipt or proof of purchase for every electronic book/game/video we have ever bought/downloaded? And what if it was free, should we save some proof of that also so we can show we legally obtained it and didn't steal it or copy it.. where does it end..

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I lost my main account this way and I am ****ed my email of 7 years could just be gone like that. I uploaded my fap folder and now I've lost everything with no chance of retrieval.

Thanks Microsoft, you've lost a fan.

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  On 09/10/2012 at 18:31, xendrome said:

The issue is, they aren't liable if they had no prior knowledge... it would be like saying your mortgage company is responsible for not coming to your house randomly and making sure you aren't storing any illegal stuff and don't have a meth lab. It's not their responsibility but it is technically their property until you've paid off your debt. Plus, where does the "Prove you paid for that" end.... do we all need to save EVERY receipt or proof of purchase for every electronic book/game/video we have ever bought/downloaded? And what if it was free, should we save some proof of that also so we can show we legally obtained it and didn't steal it or copy it.. where does it end..

Actually it's not technically their property. It's your property, it's your name on the legal documents, and on the registered papers. They however have a claim on the property if you don't pay your loans that are secured in the value of the property.

You are however storing data on their hard drives, where you are borrowing or renting space. and more importantly, legal cases have already sued people for data on their drives that they don't know about and wasn't theirs. so they pretty much have to. blame the American legal system.

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The American legal system didn't force them to start their scanners on private areas, they did that of their own (stupid) volition.

ISPs smartly didn't accept such terms, I fail to see a large difference between data in transit and data at rest in regards to liability. (Which still begs the question of, what liability, if the content isn't publicly shared). There is no justification for anyone but MS to be looking in MY stuff for any reason without a subpoena.

I've worked with many hosting provider's over the years and the 'its on our hard disks' has never made them liable for customer content.

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  On 09/10/2012 at 15:26, ~Johnny said:

They physically own the servers that your content is being stored on, so they retain some liability if you upload illegal content onto their services (although they like to say otherwise in their terms of service, a court of law isn't inclined to have to agree), especially if they do nothing to prevent that. And "no right to enfore their ToS"? Really? It's the terms you agree too to use their service, they have every full right to enforce it if you agree too it. That's the whole point of having a ToS.

I wonder how very blatant services, such as Usenet servers, get around this.

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