Syanide Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Quote Groton, MA, April 6 2011: Today, the GNOME Desktop project released GNOME 3.0, its most significant redesign of the computer experience in nine years. A revolutionary new user interface and new features for developers make this a historic moment for the free and open source desktop.Within GNOME 3, GNOME Shell reimagines the user interface for the next generation of the desktop. This innovative interface allows users to focus on tasks while minimizing distractions such as notifications, extra workspaces, and background windows. Jon McCann, one of GNOME Shell's designers, says of the design team, "we've taken a pretty different approach in the GNOME 3 design that focuses on the desired experience and lets the interface design follow from that." The result: "With any luck you will feel more focused, aware, effective, capable, respected, delighted, and at ease." GNOME Shell aims to "help us cope with modern life in a busy world. Help us connect, stay on track, feel at ease and in control." GNOME Shell, he says, will keep users "informed without being disrupted." The GNOME 3 development platform includes improvements in the display backend, a new API, improvements in search, user messaging, system settings, and streamlined libraries. GNOME 2 applications will continue to work in the GNOME 3 environment without modification, allowing developers to move to the GNOME 3 environment at their own pace. The GNOME 3 release notes include further details. Matt Zimmerman, Ubuntu CTO at Canonical, praises GNOME 3: "In the face of constant change, both in software technology itself and in people's attitudes toward it, long-term software projects need to reinvent themselves in order to stay relevant. I'm encouraged to see the GNOME community taking up this challenge, responding to the evolving needs of users and questioning the status quo." ... Read the entire release announcement Visit the official website Download the live CD Source: LinuxProMagazine Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidSolstice Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Good stuff! Liking the notification system, but only if a ton of programs take advantage of it. EDIT: Wow, way to take the idea of Aero Snap completely from Windows and not even mention it as inspiration or anything. That's kind of a douche move. I'm not on the "OMG THEY COPIED THIS" train, but it kind of bugs me what a blatant rip that is of a Windows feature without even recognizing Windows for it :/ Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593862792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syanide Posted April 6, 2011 Author Share Posted April 6, 2011 On 06/04/2011 at 18:24, LiquidSolstice said: Good stuff! Liking the notification system, but only if a ton of programs take advantage of it. EDIT: Wow, way to take the idea of Aero Snap completely from Windows and not even mention it as inspiration or anything. That's kind of a douche move. I'm not on the "OMG THEY COPIED THIS" train, but it kind of bugs me what a blatant rip that is of a Windows feature without even recognizing Windows for it :/ Notification system in Linux is generally standardized, I don't know if the developers for IM's need extra work for the in-notification conversations, but it shouldn't be a problem. The only app I use on my system that doesn't use native notifications is Skype. As for the aero snap, haha, yeah. That whole video was a bit on a blah side, I don't know if I'm getting old, but you know, I'm pretty sure I don't need someone explaining me how to maximize a window. Or I might need, because there's not a button that does it anymore. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593862806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detection Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Why is there still a count-down on the site ? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593862818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen Smith Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 On 06/04/2011 at 18:24, LiquidSolstice said: Wow, way to take the idea of Aero Snap completely from Windows and not even mention it as inspiration or anything. Eh they all "borrow" ideas from other operating systems, nothing new there. You can find a thread about any new version of any OS and see a "Heyyyyy they stole that from _____" message. To be honest though, it's a nice addition. When I'm not using a tiling window manager, it's very easy to miss the snap feature when you're used to it being there. (And sometimes I wish Windows 7 would take it a step further along the lines of AwesomeWM's tiling.. but hey, maybe in Win8.) Overall not a big fan of GNOME but this does look like a pretty interesting update, some nice usability additions to make it overall more comfortable to use. Just drag that dock down to the bottom where it belongs dangit.. that's just weird on the left side. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593862826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dknm Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Accessibility-wise it's a step forward, no matter how unoriginal. Free software should (more often than not) make anyone happy Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593862844 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted April 6, 2011 Member Share Posted April 6, 2011 Hmm, going to have to try this out. Thanks for the heads up. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593862860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julius Caro Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 On 06/04/2011 at 18:24, LiquidSolstice said: Good stuff! Liking the notification system, but only if a ton of programs take advantage of it. EDIT: Wow, way to take the idea of Aero Snap completely from Windows and not even mention it as inspiration or anything. That's kind of a douche move. I'm not on the "OMG THEY COPIED THIS" train, but it kind of bugs me what a blatant rip that is of a Windows feature without even recognizing Windows for it :/ I could *swear* that what today is known as 'aero snap', existed before windows 7. I remember using it in ubuntu, perhaps with one of those extensions that added composite effects? Compiz. I'm pretty sure I used something that was 'exactly' aero snap on compiz before windows 7 was even announced. at least when it comes to maximizing/resizing the window, not the "fill half the screen" thing on the sides. Besides, aero snap is no different than double clicking the title bar... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593862876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jen Smith Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 On 06/04/2011 at 18:53, Julius Caro said: I could *swear* that what today is known as 'aero snap', existed before windows 7. I remember using it in ubuntu, perhaps with one of those extensions that added composite effects? Besides, aero snap is no different than double clicking the title bar... Compiz could be made to do an Aero-snap like thing sure with some adjustments. (Although I think it won't remember the size when you "un-snap" again.. been a while since I've used Compiz, maybe someone knows more.. I've moved over to KWin a couple years back.) Double-clicking the title bar typically maximizes or "rolls up" a window though, not the half-screen size window which is what's really handy. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593862896 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syanide Posted April 6, 2011 Author Share Posted April 6, 2011 On 06/04/2011 at 18:38, Detection said: Why is there still a count-down on the site ? Because they scheduled it for a specific time, but they already had everything ready (including the release announcement), so I decided to post it. Same as Firefox appearing on download servers before the frontpage gets an update. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593862906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidSolstice Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 On 06/04/2011 at 18:53, Julius Caro said: Besides, aero snap is no different than double clicking the title bar... Aero Snap isn't just for maximizing a window... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593862942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inklin Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 I downloaded one of the live cd's the other day but I could only get the fallback mode in virtualbox o I haven't experienced the full UI yet. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593863120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detection Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 On 06/04/2011 at 18:59, Syanide said: Because they scheduled it for a specific time, but they already had everything ready (including the release announcement), so I decided to post it. Same as Firefox appearing on download servers before the frontpage gets an update. Thanks, are any of these ISOs able to be installed over 10.10 ? Or are they purely live CDs / USBs ? Can they be installed for real at all ? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593863158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ichi Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Not my kind of thing. The "snapping" goes straight against what I want and expect a window to do when I drag it to the boder of the screen, ie. go through the edge and out of the way to the extent I want it to. If I want windows to fully maximize (or maximize vertically side by side) I can do that already without resorting to triggers fired by completely unrelated actions *shrugs* I guess I'll eventually give it a good try, but I don't see any advantages that justify crippling my workflow. It'll certainly get nowhere near my work laptop. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593863244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detection Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 There is not much info on how to use this except to boot it live ? Is that all we can do with it ? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593863284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menge Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Word is that GNOME 3 will run on 11.04 and not 10.10. Canonical maintains a PPA with GNOME 3 but it's to be considered unstable until April 28th... Quite frustrating. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593863324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OuchOfDeath Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 On 06/04/2011 at 19:44, Inklin said: I downloaded one of the live cd's the other day but I could only get the fallback mode in virtualbox o I haven't experienced the full UI yet. There's no 3D in virtualbox until you install the guest additions, and naturally that's hard to do in a liveCD install. You can do it however. The guest additions from virtualbox itself is outdated and you'll have to install them from the distro repositories, however i'll warn you that there is severe graphics corruption due to a bug in virtualbox. You basically end up with the entire GNOME 3 desktop rendering fine, however any window at all that you open will be almost entirely corrupted, making the experience kind of pointless. You'll also have to restart the xserver after the guess additions install. On 06/04/2011 at 20:21, Menge said: Word is that GNOME 3 will run on 11.04 and not 10.10. Canonical maintains a PPA with GNOME 3 but it's to be considered unstable until April 28th... Quite frustrating. Here it is: https://edge.launchpad.net/~gnome3-team/+archive/gnome3 And yeah, it is unstable. GDM breaks almost entirely (the login screen), so you end up not being able to use the computer at all except for the terminal. I recommend installing wdm instead. It seems to work fine. Other issues arise during the install of the packages. Ubuntu defaults to installing recommended packages automatically for some reason, and this makes installing anything a mess as you end up with a ton of unneeded packages installed. This can be disabled in Synaptic's preferences menu. Be prepared to use the terminal and all the standard terminal applications like apt-get, nano/vi, daemon and service restarts. You probably shouldn't be trying to install this if you can't handle doing things in the terminal. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593863372 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted April 6, 2011 Subscriber² Share Posted April 6, 2011 Screenshots from the Fedora-based live CD (from gnome3.org): First impressions: Ugly default theme. No way to change it or the UI font via the GUI. The new UI paradigm is... confusing. I get what they are going for, but will Joe User? Unlikely Incomplete. This feels like KDE 4.0, only worse. Unstable - I had Epiphany crash on me twice while trying to edit this post. On the positive side I get the full Shell experience on Intel graphics; the Intel wi-fi adapter worked ootb. Overall not very impressed. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593863490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detection Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Is the SUSE version going to be much different ? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593863496 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted April 6, 2011 Subscriber² Share Posted April 6, 2011 On 06/04/2011 at 21:04, Detection said: Is the SUSE version going to be much different ? No. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593863510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahoospa Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 I like what I saw in the videos. Looks real good. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593863538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Veteran Posted April 6, 2011 Veteran Share Posted April 6, 2011 It looks better than the original mockups, but that doesn't mean it's good. They need to shrink down those titlebars, make the toolbars less obnoxious, and make the workflow a bit more straightforward. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593863602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Syanide Posted April 6, 2011 Author Share Posted April 6, 2011 The theme really is pretty bloated and kinda ugly. I like a few concepts, but overall feels much too dumbed down. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593863650 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detection Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 Well I just had a while messing with the Fedora one, my experience lasted about 3 minutes before I rebooted into 10.10 in disgust What a heap of *** Application icons wouldn't even display properly - most of them were all white with unreadable text until they reached the bottom of the screen where they became normal icons again. Wi-Fi worked - thats about the only good thing I have to say about it in its present state. If they said this was Alpha, then ok, I would be like, "Yea its coming along"... but final ? WTF Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593863694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scorbing Posted April 6, 2011 Share Posted April 6, 2011 For the love of God, I hope they are not planning to make the next version of Ubuntu look like this. That is horrible. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/988236-gnome-3-released/#findComment-593863716 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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