New Xbox 360 code-named "Jasper" consoles are on the way!
Posted by Xionanx on 09 May 2008 - 09:25 · 40 comments & 17299 views
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#1 Posted by Refuse on 09 May 2008 - 09:35
- Sweet. Hopefully this will make it a much more reliable console. If it turns out they are a lot better, I might even look into purchasing one ;-)
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#2 Posted by JackBauer87 on 09 May 2008 - 10:03
- They will fix all the issues in the current systems, and create new issues for the new owners!
Why? BECAUSE THATS THE MICROSOFT WAY! -
#2.1 Posted by MightyJordan on 09 May 2008 - 10:37
- (JackBauer87 said @ #2)They will fix all the issues in the current systems, and create new issues for the new owners!
Why? BECAUSE THATS THE MICROSOFT WAY!
What the hell are you bleating on about??? They're just releasing a new line of 360s that are quieter and more efficient.
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#3 Posted by +kraized on 09 May 2008 - 10:04
- New X360? Already? Does this mean developers will have to code specifically for this new machine as well as the current X360?
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#3.1 Posted by
neufuse on 09 May 2008 - 10:54
- (kraized said @ #3)New X360? Already? Does this mean developers will have to code specifically for this new machine as well as the current X360?
It's the same thing... this is no different then making a new intel processor... its the same processor just designed differnet internally to make it smaller and more energy efficient
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#5 Posted by JackBauer87 on 09 May 2008 - 10:09
- The article is out of context, the architecture is still going to be the same.
I see microsoft upping cpu specs a bit and same goes for video. Dunno why I just do.
Would be interesting to see them update the 360's like pcs. -
#5.1 Posted by kl33per on 09 May 2008 - 10:46
- That would completely screw the millions of Xbox 360 owners already out there. There is absolutely no way Microsoft would do such a thing.
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#5.2 Posted by +TCLN Ryster on 09 May 2008 - 11:28
- (kl33per said @ #5.1)That would completely screw the millions of Xbox 360 owners already out there. There is absolutely no way Microsoft would do such a thing.
No it wouldn't. Putting a slightly faster CPU and Graphics chip inside the new console revision would have absolutely no effect on existing 360 owners, it's not like they are changing the fundemantal spec of the machine. The software would remain unchanged. -
#5.3 Posted by +DrCheese on 09 May 2008 - 13:02
- It would be completely pointless for MS to change the spec's of anything other than the hard drive. First of all, the aim is to lower the manufacturing price, not raise it. Secondly it raises all sorts of potential software compatibility problems as programmers have designed for the 360 with a set hardware speed in mind.
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#6 Posted by +ckempo on 09 May 2008 - 10:39
- It's just a new chipset. Like when the Playstation was reshaped and became the PSOne. It won't mean devs need to write anything differently, but it might mean a new shape for those buying them. And all the bonuses of increased reliability etc.
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#7 Posted by aclarke_31 on 09 May 2008 - 12:37
- Its the "increased" reliability I don't like about this....
They should have had this sorted by the time they released the elite.
I know technology moves forwards, but surely Microsoft should have sorted this RROD problem so it can't happen, especially with the newer generation of the 360's.
I've recently purchased my 360 elite, and am now being told Microsoft is bringing out a newer, more reliable model. This annoys me as they should have fixed this problem in the newer generation.
What generation of 360 are we on now anyway?? 3rd? 4th?
Its taken them this long to fix a problem that they shouldn't of even had in the first generation models.
Shame on you Microsoft, shame.....
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#8 Posted by mocax on 09 May 2008 - 14:15
- Took them long enough.
PS3 already had half a dozen revisions. -
#8.1 Posted by jstillion on 10 May 2008 - 01:34
- 3 Revisions.
The 20/60 had the PS2 CPU/GPU hardware in it.
The 80 had only the PS2 GPU in it and similar motherboard to the 20/60.
The 40gb has no PS2 hardware in it and uses a smaller dia Cell Processor (same speed, same # of cores, less juice and heat) and different motherboard design.
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#9 Posted by mukati on 09 May 2008 - 14:20
- Man!!! i was going to buy xbox 360 tomm.. now i read this! Now what do i do?? Is falcon failure rate bad?? have there been reports? If falcon doesnt fail.. i dont mind the noise and low power that jasper will give me.. ne suggestions guys???
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#9.1 Posted by GP007 on 09 May 2008 - 16:44
- I don't know for sure but I haven't been hearing much about falcons dying like the original ones did. So that % has to be pretty damn low compared to the original units that are at like 15%-30% (depends on who you listen to).
The industry norm is 3% so if the Falcons are down to that or lower I'd say MS pretty much fixed their problems already. Not counting noise. Power usage IS lower though, by 20-30watts iirc.
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#10 Posted by Gabe3 on 09 May 2008 - 17:14
- PS3 is still the better buy.
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#10.2 Posted by chisss on 09 May 2008 - 18:26
- (Gabe3 said @ #10)PS3 is still the better buy.
you know... nobody asked what's better... I hate ppl like you. -
#10.3 Posted by NightmarE D on 09 May 2008 - 21:33
- They posted this just to annoy others. Just ignore it. There's always one little kid that feels the need to do it.
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#11 Posted by NightmarE D on 09 May 2008 - 18:24
- It's funny how most people act as if the 360 is the only console in gaming history that's gone through a few different versions/revisions. Every gaming console has done this. The original Playstation had it's share of different versions.
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#12 Posted by chisss on 09 May 2008 - 18:30
- What's funny is this:
"The new system design is projected to consume less electricity, use less complex cooling systems"
What's so complex about it? It's 2 fans and a big aluminum heatsink...lol -
#12.1 Posted by EduardValencia on 09 May 2008 - 20:21
- Not quite,the heatsinks have scheduled programming,this means depending on the state the system it is accelerated or slowed down ,many factors are involved here,including the heat escape and energy consumption,we are talking of powerful hardware,since at the pace the tech is evolving,more energy is needed the more complex cooling systems must be implemented.
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#12.2 Posted by chisss on 09 May 2008 - 20:34
- (EduardValencia said @ #12.1)Not quite,the heatsinks have scheduled programming,this means depending on the state the system it is accelerated or slowed down ,many factors are involved here,including the heat escape and energy consumption,we are talking of powerful hardware,since at the pace the tech is evolving,more energy is needed the more complex cooling systems must be implemented.
No, the Motherboard has the programming, the heatsink is a piece of aluminum, the fans rotate at the speeds the motherboard tells them to. This has been done for years, Laptops use them, Desktops use them, it's not really rocket science.
Plus you don't use that much energy from a small fan like that, the power consumption comes from the wattage CPU and Graphics card need.
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#12.3 Posted by NightmarE D on 09 May 2008 - 21:25
- (chisss said @ #12.2)(EduardValencia said @ #12.1)Not quite,the heatsinks have scheduled programming,this means depending on the state the system it is accelerated or slowed down ,many factors are involved here,including the heat escape and energy consumption,we are talking of powerful hardware,since at the pace the tech is evolving,more energy is needed the more complex cooling systems must be implemented.
No, the Motherboard has the programming, the heatsink is a piece of aluminum, the fans rotate at the speeds the motherboard tells them to. This has been done for years, Laptops use them, Desktops use them, it's not really rocket science.
Plus you don't use that much energy from a small fan like that, the power consumption comes from the wattage CPU and Graphics card need.
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#12.4 Posted by chisss on 12 May 2008 - 14:33
- (NightmarE D said @ #12.3)No...you're obviously not getting the point.
*sigh* have you seen the inside of an xbox? it's a big piece of aluminum with fins, just like a heatsink, the fans are on the back blowing air out of the case.
If you ask me I think it should be MORE complex that that, There should be a more direct air intake, there should be a fan blowing air inside the case away from the exhaust fans to cool it down better.
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#16 Posted by jstillion on 10 May 2008 - 01:38
- I wonder if this design is the 1st re-work to avoid the overheating / motherboard warping issue that with the current design aka RROD, as well as getting in smaller dia chips that use less electricity / produce less heat.
Either way, expect some sites to have one dissected as soon as it come out with complete pics.
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#17 Posted by Lucas on 10 May 2008 - 05:20
- I don't understand why don't they initially released it like this? :p
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#17.1 Posted by Danrarbc on 11 May 2008 - 21:55
- (Lucas said @ #17)I don't understand why don't they initially released it like this? :p
Because it's tough to produce both chips on one die in time for a launch, so they develop them as two separate units (just like PS2 went from two chips to integrating the EE and GS onto one later on)
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#18 Posted by PureLegend on 10 May 2008 - 06:41
- If it's slimline then I'm so hitting that.
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#18.1 Posted by +Dakkaroth on 10 May 2008 - 07:50
- Need a slimlined version for it to fit?
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#19 Posted by bmaher on 10 May 2008 - 15:57
- Well I guess this explains the recent price drops - I'll have money on the new version being more expensive than the current one though.
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#20 Posted by m-head on 13 May 2008 - 12:14
- When I had my 360 for a week, one of the big issues I had with it was the noise. So if they fix this, I may consider purchasing, as the 360 does have some games I wouldn't mind buying.
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#21 Posted by Narlzac85 on 13 May 2008 - 12:28
- It wouldn't make sense to combine the chips into one die. More small chips always produces more usable chips. However a reduction in the size of the components and their power draw will result in a less complicated motherboard design. They'll probably keep the same chassis design (nothing really wrong with it right now other than cooling, which should be addressed through the die shrink), and therefore a similarly sized heatsink which would allow them to run the fan at a lower speed/noise level. I wouldn't expect an external design change until very close to the next generation of consoles, if ever (MS never redesigned, or supported, the original Xbox once the 360 was near).
The code-named Jasper design of the Xbox 360 game console will use ATI Xenos graphics and memory controller hub (GMCH) made using 65nm process at TSMC as well as IBM Xenon central processing unit (CPU) produced at IBM’s 65nm nodes. The new system design is projected to consume less electricity, use less complex cooling systems and also produce less noise.