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India group: Outsourcing saves U.S. job

configure   on 15 July 2003 - 02:23 · 14 comments & 1242 views

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Sending software coding and business process jobs out to India have improved employment figures in the United States, says an Indian IT association.

Nasscom (National Association of Software and Services Companies) said it wanted to tell its side of the story by "placing the facts and figures in perspective."

Citing statistics from market research firms such as McKinsey, the body said the United States stands to save over $300 billion over the next six years by shifting some business operations overseas.

"The ITES (IT Enabled Services) /BPO (Business Process Outsourcing) market is likely to touch $142 billion in 2009, against the current cost of $532 billion for these services. The difference of $390 billion represents the net saving the U.S. economy can expect from outsourcing," Nasscom said on its Web site.

News source: ZDNet News - India group: Outsourcing saves U.S. jobs


According to a recent report from IT analyst Gartner, India will gain the most from this wave and is expected to soak up more than half the world's offshore business outsourcing revenue this year. India's revenue from BPO will grow from slightly under $1 billion in 2002 to $1.2 billion in 2003 and will represent 66 percent of the offshore BPO market, Gartner predicted.

"US banks, financial services and insurance companies have saved $6 billion to $8 billion in the past four years owing to IT outsourcing to India," Nasscom claimed. "Helped by these savings, companies have prevented layoffs and instead added 125,000 more jobs."

This revelation is expected to add more fuel to the debate on the impact of outsourcing to local economies and the workforce.

Labor groups in the US have long protested the trend of offshore outsourcing. Besides fears of job losses in the US, they have questioned the skill levels of foreign IT workers. In the longer term, they fear the move will also erode the country's technological leadership.

Most recently, Microsoft's plans to relocate its customer support work in Texas and North Carolina to India has raised the ire of unions such as the Seattle-based Washington Alliance of Technology Workers, which claimed that hundreds of US jobs could be lost as a result of the move.

When Oracle said last week that it planned to double its workforce in India, it took pains to add that the new jobs would not mean that US jobs would be lost. In Australia, a survey of IT managers has found that an overwhelming majority of them would not recommend IT as a career, mostly due to the poor domestic conditions caused by outsourcing.

Governments have also contributed to the outsourcing saga, with the New Jersey state senate recently approving a bill requiring that only citizens or legal residents of the United States work on certain state contracts.

"Instead of being understood and utilized with maximum efficiency, outsourcing is being talked of as an unhealthy epidemic, which is out to take jobs and ruin economies," Nasscom said.

In addition, the body stressed recent legislative moves in the US and the possible reduction of overseas H1B and L1 work visas stand testament to the "low awareness about how Indian IT industry and its professionals have benefited global organizations."

Nasscom currently has a membership of over 800 IT companies, including Indian communications giant Tata Telecom, as well as software and services provider Infosys Technologies.

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#1 MadDog on 15 Jul 2003 - 03:10
Well... I work in IT (not as a programmer, thank goodness ) and of course when you outsource the bottom line looks wonderful for businesses! That's because while corporate America sits back and pats themselves on the back, all the hard-working, higher (but fairly) priced American programmers are signing up for first time unemployment benefits. I firmly believe, just as Munich gave their software contract to SuSE instead of Microsoft, US corporations should give their IT jobs to people in the USA. All it's going to take is for one bank to lose all its money because someone overseas put in a back door in an custom built application allowing them to redirect funds to some Swiss bank account before people realize paying a bit more up front is better than paying a heck of a lot on the back end.
#2 greggyeggman on 15 Jul 2003 - 05:16
its a lie! India just wants to steal all our workers and improve their own economy, at the cost of ours.
#3 aem4162 on 15 Jul 2003 - 05:47
i'm so happy businesses are benefitting at the expense of american workers
#4 Chicane-UK on 15 Jul 2003 - 07:20
All I can say is... unlucky!

Simple fact is that labour is cheaper over there.. and there are some exceptionally skilled people there as well. Its only because the market wants 'more for less' that companies are doing this. Its the nature of business, - because so many companies have got so huge and greedy, they have the ability to do things like this.

Besides, why the hell do you blame the Indian workers for this? They are just doing the job - you should be blaiming the companies directly, and trying to get them to bring the jobs back to the country if you feel so strongly about it!

The indians are just as hard working as any of the rest of us, and they deserve as much as a chance as anyone.. yes, it sucks that there are not enough jobs to go round, but when companies go global it only makes sense that they will use global resources to do their job!
#5 Larac on 15 Jul 2003 - 08:38
I'm sure given 10-15 years the Indian companies will be out-sourcing back to the US and the UK due to wages being lower over here.
(1 reply) #6 Tom Servo on 15 Jul 2003 - 11:20
Outsourcing stuff to India will ALWAYS impact jobs in the origin. If you outsource something, you're taking away the job of someone else. What a bunch of propaganda bull**** India is doing.
#6.1 JaggedFlame on 15 Jul 2003 - 14:39
First of all, it's an Indian IT company, not India. Get it right.

Second of all, you'd be surprised that while Indian offsourcing might not save US jobs, it helps the companies more than anything. Indian R&D divisions do much, much more than the American counterparts in a lot of companies. The problem is keeping patents in a system such as India's, but more actually gets done there sometimes.
(1 reply) #7 NXTwoThou on 15 Jul 2003 - 12:07
Its not just programming. We've had three call centers that where located in our city get transfered to India.

The worst part about it is that they kept some of our workers here for a few months. The call would first go to India, then when the customer would get completely pissed off from not being able to understand through the accent, they where transfered to our local call center.

So for 6 months my friends that worked at these various places where getting nothing but hate calls from being unable to get support on the support lines.

If your going to do something because its cheaper, make sure its the same or better and cheaper, otherwise don't bother doing it.
#7.1 JaggedFlame on 15 Jul 2003 - 14:41
http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,...7,59477,00.html

In some call centers, Indians actually adopt American accents, so the accent issue can easily be sidestepped.
#8 Headcase2 on 15 Jul 2003 - 16:06
Cheap, Fast, Good ... pick two

Old quote I once heard... Looks like U.S. Companies are choosing the first two

Can't wait until it comes back to bite them in the @$$
#9 Sushubh on 15 Jul 2003 - 18:50
God, am I the only Indian here?
Well, I do think that outsourcing hurts US as much as it hurts us. It hurts you coz you lose the jobs. And it hurts us coz some of the best people here are hired for the jobs that works for you people (no offence). So the companies working for Indian IT development have to make do with well lets say leftovers. So, it sucks for us too. There are so many Indians working in Adobe, M$ and other companies on such important positions (See the developer list in Photoshop for example!). If they had worked here for our industries, we migth have had our own Adobe/M$ today.
So its not only you who are suffering.

I have been one of the cheaper outsourced option that works for an american company and I agree that I am charging much less than what an american will charge. But tell me one thing. will companies themselves survive if they gave all the jobs to americans for so much more when the economy is in such hell? Most of the companies will die a slow death. They come to us for cheaper solutions coz they need to survive. We don't go to them snatching away your jobs . Survival is the key and we and them need to survive too...

See both side of the coin!

btw, I hate the fact that the biggest IT companies in India like Infosys and Satyam are what they are bcoz they get work from America and the likes. And this is an indian speaking.

Last edited by 30086 on 15 Jul 2003 - 18:58
(2 replies) #10 pinku on 16 Jul 2003 - 00:06
Hey and one more thing guys...

Why is presumed that anything outside America is bad.....

Even the biggest companies are outsourcing to India they wouldnt that if we gave them lousy solutions whatever be the cost savings we give them they come back again only if they think that we give them a good solution....

And one more thing there is going to be Data Protection Act enacted in India that will protect Data that is transferred to India by businesses.. So ur guys paranoid projections of creation of backdoors in Banks are well just paranoid.....
#10.1 MadDog on 16 Jul 2003 - 16:03
I never said it was bad. I said it was bad for US programmers. And believe me, execs nowadays are concerned with boosting their stock options so they can bail and have a nice cushy retirement... not with how well the company will be doing in the future or the quality of work they get by shipping stuff out.

As for the Data Protection Act. Two things: "going to be" and the fact that it doesn't really matter what laws there are, if someone wants to break it they are free to.
#10.2 JaggedFlame on 16 Jul 2003 - 17:07
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it doesn't really matter what laws there are, if someone wants to break it they are free to.


Yeah, they're also "free" to get dragged off to prison. It's called law enforcement.

Trust me, once this act gets passed, R&D is going to skyrocket in India.

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