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(10 replies) #1 Posted by Sneakeh on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:31

Lovely images

#1.1 Posted by mugwhump on 27 Jul 2005 - 20:35

What, did all the 15 people that use Apple computes decide to get together and troll? Can't stand that another company is getting some attention after the mediocre hardware update yesterday?

Not to mention that you're comparing the visuals in a beta product with an OS that has taken Apple...what, four tries to get to a usable state?

Grow up, really.

#1.2 Posted by WebMotiva on 27 Jul 2005 - 20:45

15 people but elite. The world's best animators, photographers, desginers and etc.
Windows Vista will be another Ford with a bad taste design.

I don't need to grow up. I have style.

New: Did you know guys that the Apple + Intel + Adobe consortium is preparing to stop Windows support in 2006?

#1.3 Posted by kaffra on 27 Jul 2005 - 20:49

stop trolling

#1.4 Posted by AdmiralElitist on 27 Jul 2005 - 20:54

Mirror! Microsoft Windows Vista 5112 Screenshots Mirror!

Enjoy my Vista Beta 1 mirror everyone!
Thank you for everyone who took screenshots!

http://www.freeinternetsecurity.info/conte...112-screenshots

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#1.5 Posted by bogd on 27 Jul 2005 - 20:58

I love how people tell other people to stop trolling while trolling in the process.

#5 of 15.

#1.6 Posted by Divide Overflow on 27 Jul 2005 - 21:52

If you think your OS and PC is a Ferrari and Windows is a Ford, good for you. I for one, think that Apple is just as bad as Microsoft, though Microsoft is more professional with regard to how they interact with other businesses. Even though both companies have matched feature sets between their respective products (known to most fan boys as "stealing" ), you won't hear Bill Gates running off at the mouth.

Back on subject though. . many fan boys (MS and Apple alike) believe that their opinions are statements of fact. Let me just reinforce your grade school education by stating that opinions are yours alone. Other people may share the same opinion, but not everyone will.

I for instance, think that the MacOS interface is clunky and backwards. That is my opinion. You are more than welcome to disagree with it, but as I've said before keep in mind that your opinions (Vista is ugly) are not statements of fact.

#1.7 Posted by PCyr on 27 Jul 2005 - 22:11

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What, did all the 15 people that use Apple computes decide to get together and troll?

How ironic, someone telling people not to troll by trolling. Pot meet kettle.

#1.8 Posted by mugwhump on 27 Jul 2005 - 23:04

Comment by one of the Sovereign Princes of Neowin Trolling. Thanks.

#1.9 Posted by PCyr on 27 Jul 2005 - 23:38

What comment are you linking to? The link doesn't direct to any existing comment ID.

#1.10 Posted by rm20010 on 28 Jul 2005 - 07:32

Must be the work of moderators. Thank God I won't have to read some senseless garbage

#2 Posted by Thorpe on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:31

Like the sexy black taskbar on it. Can't wait!

(3 replies) #3 Posted by DJ Prem on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:32

My status is still pending so I assume that I shall not be selected , wish I was selected, I made all the preparation for it on my laptop as a dual boot considering my desktop is acting up at the moment.

#3.1 Posted by sphbecker on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:17

There will be many more testers for Beta 2, so don't loose hope. Microsoft has always said that beta 1 would be for developers and IT professionals.

#3.2 Posted by Trunkster on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:54

I don't believe testers have access to it just yet. I hope not at least, someone else have anything different besides pending on their microsoft connect page?

#3.3 Posted by Ryster092 on 27 Jul 2005 - 21:34

I received an email a few weeks ago inviting me to the beta. My screen still shows pending, although I note that the details have change and it now says Windows Code Name 'Longhorn' instead of Windows Code Name 'Longhorn' Beta Program. I am assuming that with over 100000 testers, its taking a while to activate everyone's accounts.

After all, Microsoft wouldnt invite me and then not accept me.... right?

(5 replies) #4 Posted by mihir on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:32

it doesn't really seem like next generation.

#4.1 Posted by Jason on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:36

And you can tell this from screen shots ? not every update is visual far from it.

#4.2 Posted by triad_man on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:37

You know I was just thinking, "I had my XP box looking very much like that with a little bit of 3rd party software."

I am more interested in how this bad boy performs however. I am a little miffed about WinFS being put on hold but I will wait if they do it right it will be worth it.

#4.3 Posted by Mongrel on 27 Jul 2005 - 19:02

Yeah sorry, I agree with the poster. Looks like a skin. Maybe not a windows skin because of the transparency, but a skin nontheless. "Oooh, a black taskbar." Meh. Obviously, there's more to the new system than that, but where's that big sidebar thing they were all over? With the live web integration, calendars, etc?

But... remember what the OSX dock looked like when it was first shown publicly... Guess there's still no telling what the final polish will be.

#4.4 Posted by bush on 27 Jul 2005 - 20:27

like.. there was white taskbar, now there's a black one. a 180 degree superduperultramegachange just joking. i believe, that w.vi will be best operating system in market.

#4.5 Posted by unbalance on 29 Jul 2005 - 03:37

just to clear some stuff up, that nifty little sidebar wont be in beta 1. :p

#5 Posted by Richardo on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:34

That is a beautiful listview control in the alldocuments screenshot.

(1 reply) #6 Posted by S... on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:35

"512 megabytes (MB) or more of RAM"

Wow, 512 minimum, time for me to upgrade to a gig of ram.

S.

#6.1 Posted by dhitb on 28 Jul 2005 - 04:16

Which means to play games comfortably like BF2 and BP, it'll be 2Gigs minimum. Looks like the 64-bit extensions in desktop CPU's to remove the 4Gig limit won't be for naught.

(1 reply) #7 Posted by SkyyPunk on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:35

lol @ ms blurring out the build string

#7.1 Posted by Jugalator on 27 Jul 2005 - 17:17

I wonder why... Seriously, it's just a build number.

(1 reply) #8 Posted by Ryster092 on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:36

My connect.microsoft.com listing for the Longhorn Beta program still says "Pending", however I did get a brand new shiny "Decline Participation" link earlier today

#8.1 Posted by Ryster092 on 27 Jul 2005 - 21:51

I just got this from the auto-responder when emailing the connect team:

QUOTE

Important notice about My Participation page: For many users, a "Decline Participation" link is shown in The Next Action column of your Program Participation table. However, this is obviously not intended to be your next action. Please do not use this link unless you want to completely decline all participation in this program.

#9 Posted by eRicSone on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:36

oh dude ,that is great

(10 replies) #10 Posted by ripgut on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:38

So far i am not impressed, maybe its just the flood of longhornish themes that were made these last 2 years, that have killed me enthusiasm for this OS now. But i will wiat to see how it performs to make my final judgement.

My pre-judgement so far: Styled out XP nothing more.

#10.1 Posted by Netrack on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:41

so i assume you judge a book by its cover, or someones personality by there picture??

what were you expecting them to show, a brand new VS or what the source?

#10.2 Posted by dropper on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:45

Well, since the whole desktop will now use 3D, as opposed to 2D, you may actually see backgrounds that are more "Mac like". There should be a lot they can do to make it "pretty".

I also agree that you just can't tell from screen shots. One thing to consider, is that there really isn't all that much wrong with XP as it is today. It's not like with previous generations where we were dealing with limited stacks and DOS underpinnings.

I think organization will be the key to this OS, with the advent of all of the media we have today. To bad that the WinFS is delayed.

#10.3 Posted by ripgut on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:51

@ Netrack
Do you actually take the time to intepret what you read? I said i'll make my FINAL judgement on how it performs for ME. Understand? All i'm saying is right now that it jsut looks like a tricked out XP, and this is due to (i at least believe) the VS's styles that have been created since the first longhorn screenshot was ever posted on the internet (not jsut neowin)



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#10.4 Posted by Jason on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:57

Why do people put so much importance in to a theme, there is so much more to an Operatng System than that.

#10.5 Posted by ripgut on 27 Jul 2005 - 17:05

Exactly, Jason. All i'm saying is:

visually (so far at least) i'm not impressed, but that is not enough to render a final judgement on the entire OS.

#10.6 Posted by Denver_80203 on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:24

QUOTE

so i assume you judge a book by its cover, or someones personality by there picture??

I think in this case, that's the point. After all, the "cover" is the interface that people use. I have to look at these things from a business point of view and personally it looks more unprofessional and geared towards personal collections of files rather than corporate oganization of files all the time. at least they dumped "My X"... it's not theirs all the time. total hassle

#10.7 Posted by scyphe on 27 Jul 2005 - 19:41

Most of the bells and whistles aren't in this build, and won't be activated/added until later on, perhaps beta2 even.

#10.8 Posted by jazztheglass on 27 Jul 2005 - 19:54

First, you wont even see (as said) any of the big user experience features until beta 2, second, what we have seen in the way of "Aero" skins and the Longhorn builds, asides from not really being the focus of ANY of the previous releases thus far, is probably about less than 1/2 a percentage of what is important as far as the final build's user experience features... Vista/Longhorn is NOT about themes... it's about tying in --everything-- media wise...

I don't know the WHY of this release, post-driver developer release, developers release? pre-PDC release release...!? Anyways, judging the future UI from the dearth of screenshots is just stupid.

#10.9 Posted by Jason on 27 Jul 2005 - 20:28

Many idiots are going to download this beta when they shouldn't and complain theres not much there.

This is for developers and IT professionals not stupid home users who have no clue how Operating Systems work.

#10.10 Posted by mr_skrilla on 28 Jul 2005 - 03:44

so it takes microsoft 5+ years to make a "Styled out XP"? Microsoft has some of the best computer software engineers in the world working for them... There is a lot more going on than what the O/S looks like. Anyways this is just Beta 1 I am sure they are not getting together their best visual style for it... Have some freakin open mindedness.

(2 replies) #11 Posted by Netrack on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:38

IE7 shots paleaseeee

#11.1 Posted by Thorpe on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:44

Soon, my friend.

#11.2 Posted by Netrack on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:49

*taps fingers together in Mr burns stlye* Excellent

(2 replies) #12 Posted by Pwn3r on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:43

And how long were we anticipating this? One and a half years or so?

#12.1 Posted by sphbecker on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:23

I dont' know about you, but I have been following Longhorn sense early 2002.

#12.2 Posted by Manksgloob on 27 Jul 2005 - 20:04

I think Pwn3r meant how much longer we have to wait for RTM, in which case one and one-half years sounds about right.

(3 replies) #13 Posted by S... on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:45

I was really looking forward to something innovative like the Apple Dock or something of that nature. But I have been disappointed thus far. All it looks like is Windows 95 dressed up. The interface really hasn't changed in 10 years! Obviously there are improvements under the hood, but it would be nice if they could do something new with the GUI.

S.

#13.1 Posted by raskren on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:53

Your expectations are too high. This is Beta 1. The new GUI won't be around until Beta 2 and even then it probably won't be done.

#13.2 Posted by Ashl on 27 Jul 2005 - 19:17

Microsoft wil never lose the Start bar and change it too dramatically, it's what helps it be easy to use for the end user. Not every end user is going to require a mac dock bar, it would just be a fancy extra and not really fit on a windows interface in my opinion.

#13.3 Posted by mugwhump on 27 Jul 2005 - 19:38

That's funny. Apple buys NEXTstep, adds some cute gui elements, slaps a brushed-aluminum interface to a hodge-podge of apps, bouncing icons to the Dock (which has been around seemingly forever), and everyone still thinks it's "innovative". It's not. I have been using a "Dock" in windowmanagers such as AfterStep and WindowMaker on Linux for over 10 years now. Innovative? Hardly.

#14 Posted by tsutton on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:47

Looks like it was taken from a laptop. See the battery icon?

#15 Posted by Mr. Dee on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:47

Wow, it looks a lot like build 5203!

#16 Posted by Jugalator on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:48

I'll just post some more links here if anyone's interested.

Contains an exclusive interview with Microsoft's Windows development VP Jim Allchin for example.

A window into Vista:
http://news.com.com/A+window+into+Vista/20...05040&subj=news

Testers lock horns with Vista beta:
http://news.com.com/Testers+lock+horns+wit...05696&subj=news

First views of Windows Vista:
http://news.com.com/2300-1016_3-5805994-1....subj=ns_5805994

All three making puns of the word "vista" or "Longhorn". Hat trick for CNET! :p

(but especially the first article is pretty good!)

(1 reply) #17 Posted by DigitalDude on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:48

ooo nice. Can't wait for the leak (yeah i didnt get in the beta )

#17.1 Posted by haisdeaks on 27 Jul 2005 - 17:01

damn right

(7 replies) #18 Posted by psgamer0921 on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:49

Am I the only one (1) thinking that they're trying to imitate Apple with the lack of a constant menu bar, and (2) thinks they did a pretty crappy job of it? Not an Apple fanboy, just an observation. You're going to have users flip out because when you open up folders (like what's pictured above), they're going to be missing "File, Edit, View, etc." and not know what to do

#18.1 Posted by Jugalator on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:50

Yeah, the menu weirdness in Vista is something I don't like.

I don't like the menus in OS X either.

I want consistency (lacking in Vista) and connection to the apps (lacking in OS X).

#18.2 Posted by psgamer0921 on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:55

The menus in OS X are much better, IMO, because you always the familiar "File, Edit, and so forth." I'm looking at the All Documents folder, and I'm thinking, "What the hell do you do for whatever tasks are in those menus now?" I'm an experienced Windows user, and I don't know whatthe****

#18.3 Posted by Chicane-UK on 27 Jul 2005 - 17:11

Couldn't help but notice, on the 'Ripping Apple' line of thought, the flat coloured AC Power / Battery logo in the system tray.. not that I wish to suggest for a moment that is blatantly pinched from Apple (sarcasm) but why the hell else would you change it from a regular coloured icon as it was in Windows XP? Other than to just dupe Apple?

#18.4 Posted by hantz0m on 27 Jul 2005 - 17:16

I totally agree. Based on these screenshots, it looks a mess. Visually, it's cluttered, confusing, and inconsistent. It reminds me of early Linux GUI days, when every app used a different toolkit. The little search bar that is stuck in all over the place looks dumb, like it was an afterthought.

For those who say "but this is just a beta, the new GUI isn't there yet", keep wishing. Based on all previous Windows betas, there hasn't been any significant differences between Beta and Gold GUI's. Whistler started out interesting with that interactive desktop, but it was scrapped for a junked up start menu that is completely useless and redundant. The "pinned" shortcuts is convient and the only reason I don't use the classic start menu.

I was really hoping the actual usability would change. I keep hearing about "changing the way we use computers". As long a you have a dock or start menu, you aren't changing the way people use computers.

#18.5 Posted by MustNotSleep on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:32

yea, that monochrome tray icon is definitelly stepping on Apple's toes.

as well as the included search everywhere. i wouldn't be surprised if they included the journaling quick search (Spotlight in OSX) too. not that Apple invented it, but Apple definitelly did it first.

now, i hate everything about Apple (the company, marketing, software and hardware, it's ignorant users and supporters, etc..), but MS clearly is short of inspiration and ideas.

#18.6 Posted by Chicane-UK on 27 Jul 2005 - 21:12

MustNotSleep - nice to be able to look at something so objectively regardless of your opinions on the competition.

To be fair I often troll in support of Linux, etc but I can see when a product is clearly lacking innovation or is letting the side down in some other way.. then it becomes impossible to defend and you gotta concede to peoples observations / complaints. This really is the case with things like the tray icon. I wonder what other gems are waiting to be found which really must be questioned in Vista? :|

#18.7 Posted by Cubiz on 28 Jul 2005 - 10:13

Have a look at the search button (next to the explorer search feild) in the first screenshot - it looks exactly the same as the Spotlight icon.

(1 reply) #19 Posted by Colin-uk on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:53

dont think much of those icons :s

#19.1 Posted by msg43 on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:32

I Second that. I've seen them a year ago or so but I didn't like them back then. I used them for maybe a whole week if that.

(1 reply) #20 Posted by Richardo on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:56

Why do the images on the presspass have "Windows Vista" on the desktop ID and the neowin ones have "Longhorn"?

#20.1 Posted by Neobond on 27 Jul 2005 - 17:00

They might be edited, because Beta 1 will still be Longhorn, not Vista.

#21 Posted by galoosh33 on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:58

Beautiful! Asta-La-Vista Baby

#22 Posted by PR. on 27 Jul 2005 - 16:58

Looks like the text has the higher DPI like that in Linux UIs

#23 Posted by Neonemesis on 27 Jul 2005 - 17:02

when someone gets a chance, can they let me know what they require for processing speed and all that, hdd size also.

#24 Posted by DOCa Cola on 27 Jul 2005 - 17:24

finally

#25 Posted by [bear] on 27 Jul 2005 - 17:27

wow it looks really polished and professional. Not bad.

(1 reply) #26 Posted by Nissel on 27 Jul 2005 - 17:27

BOO!! august 2nd hey? MUAHAHA

#26.1 Posted by Trevahaha on 28 Jul 2005 - 00:19

It shows up on mine.. check again maybe?

#27 Posted by DJ Prem on 27 Jul 2005 - 17:32

I can host those images, let me know

(1 reply) #28 Posted by on 01 Jan 1970 - 00:00

#28.1 Posted by Nave on 27 Jul 2005 - 17:44

I am not starting a flame war or anything (hopefully). It is to my subjective evaluation that KDE is less visually appealing to Vista, at least from the screens I get to see. The composit engin of X.org has yet a long way to go before reaching production quality, so nothing like the shadows and transparency like vista. And just don't get me started on the driver quality, at least from ATI. Good luck to KDE (and friends) playing catch-up.

#29 Posted by Zepolcire on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:07

For the love of God, update the ICONS!!!! It looks like such a mess with so many different styles.

#30 Posted by nic on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:08

hehe.. New OS with new features and all anyone in here seems to be interested in is the theme. The theme in which most people will be replacing as soon as this goes main stream .

Anyway, is there anything that is going to be truely useful with this OS besides the eye candy? I guess only time will tell.

(1 reply) #31 Posted by xDarkstar on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:10

I want better game performance!!!

#31.1 Posted by Netrack on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:20

have you read about Vista yet? your going to get it...

(1 reply) #32 Posted by soloredd on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:16

The virtual folders looks pretty cool, although I wonder what happens if you have, say, 500 pictures in a folder.

I also agree with #29 about the icons. Hopefully the final build will have new icons, but I doubt it. Microsoft has been using some of the same icons since 95

Oh well, we'll see what happens in the next year.

By the way, how come some of the screens don't have a File, Edit, etc...on them? Is Microsoft taking that out or something?

#32.1 Posted by XxiNickxX on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:23

Well, soloredd, Smart folders in Tiger (system wide), it's instant.

Don't know about windows.

#33 Posted by Mokano on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:34

I have the screenshots hosted on my site:

http://ugt-podcast.com/longhorn.htm

#34 Posted by wa22guy on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:42

ON MSDN NOW!!! Downloading at 2000K/sec from work! I'll have it in 20 minutes... WooHoo!

#35 Posted by Kemistry on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:51

lucky you... im 92.3k at the moment... come on hurry up and d/l baby

(1 reply) #36 Posted by DJ Prem on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:53

how big is it?

#36.1 Posted by Powerless on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:55

2.42GB [Yes 2.42GB]

http://bink.nu/Article4587.bink

(3 replies) #37 Posted by Kemistry on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:57

2.42gb

#37.1 Posted by anog on 27 Jul 2005 - 19:09

2.42GB?! does it have Office 2003, Encarta, etc all in one package?!

#37.2 Posted by Dogan on 27 Jul 2005 - 23:10

Hahaha!

#37.3 Posted by TruckWEB on 28 Jul 2005 - 00:12

Or it's 1.73GB if you download the x86-64 edition.

(2 replies) #38 Posted by Kemistry on 27 Jul 2005 - 18:58

Date Posted
7/26/2005 1:17:00 PM
File
en_longhorn_beta1_dvd.iso, ISO-9660 CD Image
Size
2.42 GB
Minimum Estimated Download Times
T1 3 hours, 42 minutes
128 KB 45 hours, 6 minutes
64 KB 101 hours, 36 minutes
28.8 KB 225 hours, 48 minutes

Description
Windows Vista (formerly code-named Windows "Longhorn" is a substantial advance in Windows, with significant innovations in the developer platform. Windows Vista makes it easier than ever before to build applications that are more secure, reliable, and manageable. Windows Vista also enables developers and designers to create user-experience breakthroughs that improve usability and enable greater relevance to the work users do. Finally, Windows Vista makes it easy to connect to information, systems, people, and devices though a number of innovative integration technologies.
Attention! In order to install this version of Windows XP, you must get a retail product key.

This key may be used to activate 10 PCs per the terms of the MSDN End-User License Agreement. For the answers to common questions regarding the use of software included in your MSDN subscription, please see the MSDN License FAQ.

Instructions
An ISO-9660 image file is an exact representation of a CD, including the content and the logical format. The most common use of an image file is to write it to a blank CD-R resulting in an identical copy of the original CD including file name and volume label information. ISO Images can also be extracted directly to a file location by many CD-R utilities. For more information about image files, please visit the MSDN FAQ.
Related Sites/Topics
http://msdn.microsoft.com/windowsvista

#38.1 Posted by Treefrog on 27 Jul 2005 - 19:48

QUOTE

Attention! In order to install this version of Windows XP, you must get a retail product key.

LOL!!

#38.2 Posted by aristotle-dude on 28 Jul 2005 - 01:38

Yeah, that was funny sh*t. It was a really bad copy and post job.

The link for the key does retrieve the right key though.

Anybody here going to install it? I don't have any PC's at home and I cannot risk my development machine at work on a beta OS.

#39 Posted by Kemistry on 27 Jul 2005 - 19:14

anyone want to give me a spare machine to install this on??

#40 Posted by beardly on 27 Jul 2005 - 19:50

Downloading it here at work, I'll have to wait and see tomorrow morning if it is any good.

#41 Posted by jimbo11883 on 27 Jul 2005 - 19:59

Kemistry, send the ISO to me and I'll install it on my spare machine.

#42 Posted by mtdlabs on 27 Jul 2005 - 20:04

I just don't understand all the complaints about the missing File, Edit menu missing. I mean, does anybody use it in windows explorer? I sure don't.

(1 reply) #43 Posted by thorazine on 27 Jul 2005 - 20:08

The explorer screenshots look like its nothing more than a beautiful new shell style and MacOSX Finder-like categories replacing the folder tree on the left. It doesnt look bad but I wonder how those categories and virtual folder will behave on a loaded disk (one with more than 20 documents, 100 pictures, 300 songs). Maybe this will only apply to folders under ur profile's documents root.
Also whats the functional point of having semi-transparent window frames when there is only one window on the screen? That looks like eye candy to impress the crowd ("Look its transparent now!!!".
Also is it just me or is completely stupid to post desktop screenshots at resized-down and expanded-up resolutios but not at their original native resolution???

#43.1 Posted by WebMotiva on 27 Jul 2005 - 20:18

Microsoft must be worried about Mac OS X 10.5 and the possibility of an open x86 version.
Windows Vista is a bad copy of Mac OS X 10.0 Beta but with poor design.
Yep. The resolutions are stupid!