Microsoft Messenger for Mac 5.0 Released
Posted by Tom Warren on 10 August 2005 - 00:37 · 50 comments & 3609 views
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#1 Posted by I am not SVT on 10 Aug 2005 - 00:45
- Teh Banned.
Radish™
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#1.1 Posted by hotdog963al on 10 Aug 2005 - 00:46
- Thanks Radish™
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#2 Posted by hotdog963al on 10 Aug 2005 - 00:48
- -File Transfers still don't work
-No Personal Messages
-No Pictures on contact list.
+Nicer Interface
+Display Pictures
+[What it says in the post below me]
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#3 Posted by ibear on 10 Aug 2005 - 00:48
- AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo protocols are now supported within the client by default.
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#3.1 Posted by 4g3nt_Smith on 10 Aug 2005 - 01:10
- Only for corporate accounts, connecting to a server on the local network.
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#4 Posted by xntx on 10 Aug 2005 - 00:50
- Main Window link is incorrect, should be this one instead of that: http://www.neowin.net/staff/creamhackered/macmessenger5/Main%20Window.jpg
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#4.1 Posted by epple on 10 Aug 2005 - 08:25
- http://www.neowin.net/staff/creamhackered/...in%20Window.jpg
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#5 Posted by Geo on 10 Aug 2005 - 01:02
- Why can't the MSN Messenger team get it right like this
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#6 Posted by Syntax Error on 10 Aug 2005 - 01:05
- can anyone confirm if it still randomly disconnects?
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#6.1 Posted by Deathray on 10 Aug 2005 - 01:11
- Not sure about your particular case, but random disconnecting could occur due to your local network. I had random disconnects on msn while using a wireless router. I was using windows, but yeah.
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#7 Posted by nacs on 10 Aug 2005 - 01:14
- I'll stick with Adium and Gaim.
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#7.2 Posted by hotdog963al on 10 Aug 2005 - 01:21
- Not forgetting Proteus.
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#7.3 Posted by Foo Fighter on 10 Aug 2005 - 04:27
- Gaim sucks. It's an ugly primitive looking IM client.
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#8 Posted by nvizible on 10 Aug 2005 - 01:54
- */me cries at xp*
I can't help but admire the mac GUI in general - it just seems much more pleasing! (I usually champion the xp + a good vss cause, but I'm feeling in an "otherwise" mood tonight!
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#9 Posted by aristotle-dude on 10 Aug 2005 - 02:02
- LOL
I love the install instructions:
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Installation instructions
Before you install Messenger for Mac
Important Make sure that your Mac OS X user account has read and write access.
To install Messenger for Mac
1. Print this page if you want to use it as a reference when you are offline.
2. Make sure your computer meets the minimum system requirements.
3. In the preceding table, click the language and file format you want.
4. Follow the instructions on the screen to save the file to your hard disk.
If you are using Safari, the file is downloaded to the desktop unless you specified a different folder in the Preferences dialog box of Safari. (To check your preferences, on the Safari menu, click Preferences, and then click General.)
If you are using Internet Explorer, the Download Manager saves the file to the desktop unless you specified a different folder in the Preferences dialog box of Internet Explorer. (To check your preferences, on the Explorer menu, click Preferences, and then click Download Options in the left pane).
5. In most Web browsers, the file you downloaded expands automatically. If it does not, on your hard disk, double-click the file that you downloaded in step 4 to expand it.
6. Copy Messenger for Mac to your hard drive by dragging the Microsoft Messenger icon to the location where you would like to save it. Then, double-click the Microsoft Messenger icon to start the setup program.
7. Click Next.
8. Read the .NET Messenger Service Terms of Use and, if you accept these terms, click Next, and then click Accept.
9.Follow the instructions on the screen to finish installation.
That could be summarized as:
1. Click on the download link appropriate to your language.
2. If you are using a browser other than Safari or have turned off the open "safe" files option, locate the dmg file on your desktop and double click it to open the disk image.
2. Drag Microsoft Messenger from the mounted disk image to your Applications folder.
The rest is setup which is not really part of the "installation" procedure. I guess they want to make it look as complicated as possible so windows users don't feel so bad.
They don't even have to supply separate downloads for the different languages since all locales are included in the English one thanks to the .app package architecture.
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#9.1 Posted by tiagosilva29 on 10 Aug 2005 - 02:10
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#9.2 Posted by Help on 10 Aug 2005 - 04:52
QUOTE They don't even have to supply separate downloads for the different languages since all locales are included in the English one thanks to the .app package architecture.
wow... I didn't know that. But how does that work? Does it load the langauge from the system?-
#9.3 Posted by aristotle-dude on 10 Aug 2005 - 06:22
- They can include an .lproj folder inside the /Content/Resources/ folder for each language they want to support. Inside that folder are a bunch of strings files.
For example, Italian.lproj provides Italian support.
It is still up to the developer to support the various locales but there is a built-in framework for supporting it in your applications.
The OS works the same way so there is no special Chinese version of OS X and each user can have their own locale settings.
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#10 Posted by MGS3-SS on 10 Aug 2005 - 02:53
- Looks nicer than the Windows version, thats for sure.
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#10.1 Posted by andyboy2k2 on 10 Aug 2005 - 09:18
- Agreed, I wish MSN Messenger looked as clean as that instead of bloated with a bunch of useless crap.
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#11 Posted by AveDeoInferio on 10 Aug 2005 - 03:07
- It's pretty. More functionality would be nice though.
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#11.2 Posted by Foo Fighter on 10 Aug 2005 - 04:32
- Huh? Vista is still in beta and won't be out until the next year. How do you know it's pretty but lacking in features when we haven't seen its final UI and the feature list won't be locked down until late beta?
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#11.3 Posted by comctrl6 on 10 Aug 2005 - 06:15
- The Vista SDK (Software Development Kit) has gone gold, which means that it is in feature freeze form, or at least it has to be in that stage internally at Microsoft. Of course most of the juicy features were not included in the Beta 1, but based on the documentations provided on the MSDN site and Microsoft developers' blogs, nothing amazing is going to be included in the final product. WinFS (Windows Future Storage) will not be a part of the final release, but it will be released freely a few months after Vista has been released. MS will continue to use the current advanced NTFS features to look for files, by searching through the MFT (the file table) rather than look through the files. Most of the other "pillars", like Indigo and Aero will not be 100% complete, however they won't lack any deal breaker features. WinFS won't be included so the users won't be able to use it. Indigo is focused towards developers. Aero is the only thing that will be mostly complete and ready to go by the time Vista is out. So if you put all together you will see that it will be pretty, but won't have many of the advertised features from the get go, though they will be included in the future.
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#11.5 Posted by .:Neo.X.WinFreak:. on 10 Aug 2005 - 12:06
- he can't be wrong by tlling his OPINION
oh and btw: Vista's current GUI will not be in the final version as you might know... just watch the themes always changing in the different builds lol...
Vista will be very different from the current beta1.
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#11.7 Posted by .:Neo.X.WinFreak:. on 10 Aug 2005 - 12:19
- ok, peace then!
-fm
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#12 Posted by Nichotin on 10 Aug 2005 - 03:14
- Bah, no Webcam or Audio? How useless..
Without those two killer features, I'll stick with Adium for now.
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#13 Posted by Pc_Madness on 10 Aug 2005 - 06:26
- AdiumX or MSN5? Whats the word kiddies?
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#14 Posted by Cubiz on 10 Aug 2005 - 06:34
- Nice
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#15 Posted by azz0r_wugg on 10 Aug 2005 - 07:37
- Why does MS even develop this for MAC again?
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#16 Posted by rajputwarrior on 10 Aug 2005 - 07:56
- what happened to the tabbed conversations
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#17 Posted by StuRReaL on 10 Aug 2005 - 07:57
- WOW thats really nice. but how come the PC users are discriminated against in this manner we get an ugly looking application full of adverts its just not fair I need a mac so i don't get obtrusive apps
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#18 Posted by eSouL on 10 Aug 2005 - 08:29
- URL of the screenshot "Main Window" should be
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#18.1 Posted by .:Neo.X.WinFreak:. on 10 Aug 2005 - 12:09
- lol... seems like ure a little bit too late
QUOTE #4 Posted by xntx on 10 Aug 2005 - 05:50 (1 reply)
Main Window link is incorrect, should be this one instead of that: http://www.neowin.net/staff/creamhackered/macmessenger5/Main%20Window.jpg
#4.1 Reply by epple on 10 Aug 2005 - 13:25
http://www.neowin.net/staff/creamhackered/...in%20Window.jpg
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mmh... since i don't have a Mac I can't test it...
Well if MS doesn't force Vista to restrict installing on a Mactel in the final version I'm gonna buy a Mac next year and pack Vista as 2nd OS on it
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#18.2 Posted by roadwarrior on 10 Aug 2005 - 14:13
- Why would Microsoft do that? They sell software, and have no reason to restrict what brand of hardware you install it on. On the other hand, Apple sells hardware (which also includes an OS and some software), and they have no reason to restrict what software or OS you install on it after you have bought it.
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#19 Posted by loc[a]lhost on 10 Aug 2005 - 10:11
- maybe it's the compressions of the screenshots, but that doesn't look like normal Brushed interface
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#19.1 Posted by hotdog963al on 10 Aug 2005 - 12:40
- It is the normal one
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#20 Posted by zerone on 10 Aug 2005 - 12:27
- Why all Microsoft:Mac Products, look better than the XP ones?
Even the Office:Mac, has a nicer box.
This one looks much clean and "sophisticated".
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#21 Posted by bucko on 10 Aug 2005 - 13:15
- Yay when I boot my mac mini up later I will be trying this.
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#22 Posted by Syntax Error on 10 Aug 2005 - 13:26
- no tabbed messaging, or personal messages which sucks.. but other than that, looks and works alright. haven't tested file transfers but they've never worked well for me on msn.
in terms of features, i really like mercury msn, but it's yet really buggy.
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#23 Posted by mr_da3m0n on 10 Aug 2005 - 13:53
- .... they kept the huge send button. I weep now.
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#24 Posted by Huy on 10 Aug 2005 - 14:19
- Nice... but we don't need a huge send button. :p
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#24.1 Posted by hotdog963al on 10 Aug 2005 - 14:44
- Eyecandy ++
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#25 Posted by Syphonic on 10 Aug 2005 - 16:04
- Bah, all I wanted was webcam
Today the team released Microsoft Messenger 5.0 for Mac OS X. Aimed more at workers than home users who use the MSN IM protocol the client has the ability to use two unique accounts at the same time. Personal & Corporate accounts have been integrated (Windows has two separate clients for this use – MSN Messenger & Windows Messenger). The “personal” account stays the same like the previous MSN client; the “corporate” account allows users to connect to a Microsoft Live Communications Server to transfer data securely behind a firewall within a business or corporation.
You are now able to use multiple IM protocols with Microsoft Messenger, something that has been lacking for a long time which has made users migrate to other IM clients on OS X. AOL/AIM/iChat/Yahoo protocols are now supported within the client by default.
Interface-wise, Microsoft Messenger has had an overhaul that adheres to the Mac OS X interface (Aqua), using the familiar brushed-metal that is contained in mainstream applications such as Safari and the iLife applications. Interface buttons are now customizable in the sense they can be moved as well as added or deleted.
Display pictures are default in the new client with a sidebar to show a display picture of the person you are talking to. Emoticons have been taken from the current version of MSN Messenger for Windows and integrated into Microsoft Messenger (which are animated). However it doesn’t allow you to add your own custom emoticons like the Windows client. Winks and Nudges are also not present in this version.
Audio & web cam support is still missing from this version, which will infuriate users of waiting for these features being added. The preferences have stayed the same with the exception of a few things being added for the “corporate” account, such as message logging and the ability to block users – like the “personal” account.
File transfers have improved greatly and are very fast in use with multiple file transfers, which the previous version was lacking.
All in all, people were expecting this version to bury the gap between the Windows client. Alas it hasn't and we play the waiting game again for MBU to release a top notch version of Messenger for the Mac.
Special Thanks to Radish who contributed to this report and provided screenshots.
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