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Windows Live Session UK - #1

Tom Warren   on 28 January 2006 - 11:04 · 15 comments & 6926 views

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Last Thursday evening I attended a Windows Live Session hosted by Microsoft's Phil Holden.

Phil is Director of MSN Global Business and Product Management at MSN. He has been at Microsoft for nearly 14 years working originally with IBM as a hardware engineer.

The meet consisted of enthusiasts from well known sites like mess.be, bink.nu and various other messenger sites. The main facts from the meeting are summarised below but for a full overview of what was learnt and talked about then read on!

  • Core investments for Microsoft - Media Center, Smartphones and VoIP
  • Windows Live Mail update within the month
  • Windows Live to launch in April
  • Windows Live Expo (fremont) will compete with eBay and Loot
  • Full Firefox support across all Windows Live applications
Please read more for a full overview of Thursday's meeting. A big Thank You to Heaven PR for organising the event and Microsoft's Phil Holden.

Updated: Added several photos of Fremont being demoed to attendees.

View: Windows Live Session UK #1 Overview
Photo: Fremont Up Close
Photo: Fremont Item
Photo: Phil Demo's Fremont
Photo: Phil Demo's Fremont #2


Phil started off proceedings talking about the effects of broadband, constant connections and consumers ever demanding communications. Phil admitted that over the past year Microsoft have been working in order to reach the level that their competition is at (Google).

The ideas behind Windows Live are to integrate the core teams of Messenger, Hotmail and Search in order to form separate products that hold the same UI and consistency.

Phil unveiled the new Live Contacts service. Live contacts allows users to choose to publish information to the world or keep it private amongst trusted individuals. Work information can be posted, personal information can be posted. The key part of Live Contacts is the fact it's available anywhere for anyone to view to ensure they always have the correct information about you. Live Contacts is available now as will be integrated into Messenger Contact cards etc.

Phil moved on to explain what Microsoft is planning with Windows Live in the future. There was a heavy play on Windows Media Center but still no strong confirmation on whether Messenger Live will work within Media Center. I was surprised that the Xbox 360 wasn't mentioned for plans with any messenger client or integration.

Smartphones and Pocket PCs were mentioned briefly as a "core" concern for Microsoft in the future. When I questioned Phil afterwards he was unsure whether an updated messenger client would be available for Smartphones and Pocket PCs. Considering the technology hasn't been overhauled since 2002 I'd expect an update this year.

Phil demo'd start-int.com which will replace start.com. The interface looked more updated and consistent with the Live UI. What's interesting is that Microsoft is planning to market Live.com as the main portal. Personally I feel that Microsoft has wasted a huge amount of money marketing search.msn.com as it's search engine when they could have played with start.com, something easier for customers to remember.

Windows Live Mail will receive a major update in the next month or so to provide more speed and better performance.

Windows Live Expo (fremont) was demo'd for the first time (without NDA). The beta will be delivered to local companies in Seattle within the next few weeks and is heading for broad beta in the Summer. Based on Microsoft's internal "micronews" you can sell, buy and trade without your mail domain or community. Clearly looking to appeal not just to consumers but the enterprise, expo might just give eBay a run for its money. Expo will be free for listings. At the moment there is no auction like listings and users can only buy, sell or trade for a fixed price. Expo is RSS enabled and is built, like Windows Live Mail, on AJAX technologies. When questioned Phil wasn't sure whether Expo would support PayPal specifically but said Microsoft was not looking to build their own payment system for Expo.

Phil finally demo'd the new Philips VoIP Messenger phone. Continuing the trend and reports in the media, Microsoft is pushing the "press the green button" across devices. The Philips device has a green Messenger button to get straight to your list or buddies. Phil mentioned that the phone will be in store for the launch of Windows Live and should be sub $100. VoIP is clearly something that Microsoft is trying to keep on their radar for the future.

After Phil's demonstrations I managed to speak to him for half an hour and fire off some questions. I asked Phil about the confusion between Windows Live Messenger and Windows Messenger, Phil believes the company is working towards remedying this and has been delayed in doing so because of certain countries laws about integrating the Messenger products.

I asked Phil about the UI of Live and why this is inconsistent to what we're seeing with Vista, he replied with "I wouldn't take what you see today as the final UI. We are still working on things and there's stuff that could change". When questioned about the Messenger client Phil was concerned with the sign-in time for Messenger and connection rates, he admitted Microsoft are working hard on getting the sign-in time down and 100% connection rates through proxies and work firewalls. Microsoft is currently not happy with where they are at with Messenger connections.

Phil was fairly confident that MSN Remote Record will hit the UK soon under the Live branding.

Overall from the session it's clear that Microsoft haven't finalised exactly what they're aim is with Windows Live. With such a broad range of MSN products available today it seems that MSN and Windows Live will be separate thus adding further confusion to the consumer who has always known and loved MSN. Whether or not the live idea will entice the masses remains to be seen, however, what's clear is that those who know about it are happy and if Microsoft can market Live well enough then it could be a breakthrough against the mighty Google.


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(4 replies) #1 Mad_Griffith on 28 Jan 2006 - 11:29
* Core investments for Microsoft - Media Center, Smartphones and VoIP
* Windows Live to launch in April
* Full Firefox support across all Windows Live applications

Now that sounds very cool to me!
#1.1 domgrimm on 28 Jan 2006 - 22:28
The Firefox support is definitely good news
#1.2 asellus on 29 Jan 2006 - 04:09
Ditto. Firefox support is very important!
#1.3 jp10558 on 29 Jan 2006 - 20:35
Better would be just full standards support so it works in Opera, Konqurer and Safari too (though I'm not sure if anyone using Konqurer or Safari would be interested in the site, but I might be, and I don't use IE or Firefo.
#1.4 Intelman on 30 Jan 2006 - 03:39
They are working on Opera support. Opera 9 Preview 1 works with www.live.com!
#2 Lee69 on 28 Jan 2006 - 12:59
Indeed, nice to hear Live will be up and running in April. Does this mean more Windows Live Messenger builds will be coming before this date? I hope so, it still needs improvements.
(2 replies) #3 anonymousjon on 28 Jan 2006 - 13:21
it was Phil Holden giving the talk not Paul :p

They didnt seem to talk much about messenger during the demo's, which was a bit dissapointing, several MSN staff i spoke to said there is no live messenger beta update yet, thier trying to get as much fixed as possible and improve the features that they already have.

"I asked Phil about the UI of Live and why this is inconsistent to what we're seeing with Vista" I asked the head of marketing for Messenger a similar question except about the UI of live messenger compared with other live products, there's no plans at the moment to make it look more like the rest of Windows Live.

#3.1 creamhackered on 28 Jan 2006 - 13:42
It's the inconsistency and confusion where Microsoft fail unfortunately. Hopefully Live will be a good step but if it's supposed to be for Vista then the plain UI will only confuse people.
#3.2 threedaysdwn on 28 Jan 2006 - 19:34
There's a very strong effort underway to make all Live products look and feel the same.
(2 replies) #4 j0j081 on 28 Jan 2006 - 16:34
Nice to see they are working on getting Live working with Firefox!
#4.1 Co_Co on 28 Jan 2006 - 16:48
yeah that's a different and much welcomed approach from microsoft. good on you bill.
#4.2 xorian on 28 Jan 2006 - 17:52
Indeed. Hurray!!!
#5 Inertia on 29 Jan 2006 - 02:27
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Last edited by matt74441 on 29 Jan 2006 - 08:45
#6 Roger_r on 29 Jan 2006 - 16:15
great news, thanks
#7 anonymousjon on 30 Jan 2006 - 00:42
Nice photo's, thier the first one's I've seen from the evening, I keep checking flickr where Romain said they would be but there doesn't seem to be any yet.

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