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Microsoft Details Vista Upgrade Paths

Hurmoth   on 01 August 2006 - 02:38 · 35 comments & 13878 views

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With Windows Vista nearing its first release candidate in preparation for a final launch early next year, Microsoft is providing more details about possible upgrade paths. Of note: Windows 2000 cannot be upgraded to Vista.

While Windows 2000 Professional customers may purchase a cheaper "upgrade" copy of Microsoft next-generation operating system, Windows Vista must be "clean installed," which means users will need to back up their files and data manually and then copy everything into place. Applications will also need to be re-installed.

The x64 version of Windows XP will also have the same requirement. Although the final release of Vista will include both 32-bit and 64-bit iterations of the OS, Microsoft has not designed an upgrade path for the current x64 release.

Windows XP Professional, meanwhile, can be upgraded only to the Business and Ultimate editions of Windows Vista. This is due tof eatures built into XP Pro not being added to the Home Basic and Home Premium SKUs of Vista.

News source: BetaNews

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(1 reply) #1 chopyaedoff on 01 Aug 2006 - 02:41
All designed so they make the most money.
#1.1 King Mustard on 01 Aug 2006 - 03:11
Of course, they're a business. You'd do the same thing.
#2 billyea on 01 Aug 2006 - 03:03
I'm clean installing anyway. (getting a new computer)
#3 Alphanumeric on 01 Aug 2006 - 03:23
I'll do a clean install anyhow.
#4 slimy on 01 Aug 2006 - 03:43
Clean install here also
#5 Mike Frett on 01 Aug 2006 - 03:43
A clean install, I will do. Lol

*I can't get smilies to work?
(2 replies) #6 dagamer34 on 01 Aug 2006 - 03:45
Wait, are you telling me that you can buy an upgrade copy and do a clean install? Then what is the point of the retail version?
#6.1 billyea on 01 Aug 2006 - 03:48
Well, of course, the upgrade copy for Windows 2000 and Windows XP x64 will be priced similarly to the retail because of that very fact you mentioned. That's why the word "upgrade" is in quotations.
#6.2 Cephas on 01 Aug 2006 - 04:42
You could do the same thing with previous versions of Windows. During setup you'll just be asked to insert the CD of your previous OS to prove that you had one.
(4 replies) #7 jwjw1 on 01 Aug 2006 - 03:51
Windows XP Professional, meanwhile, can be upgraded only to the Business and Ultimate editions of Windows Vista.....and HAS to be NTFS partition...so if your gonna upgrade with fat32..then you will have to convert first...so better just clean install anyways.
#7.1 Smigit on 01 Aug 2006 - 06:06
I doubt many people uses Fat32 as their XP filesystem anyway.
#7.2 M2Ys4U on 01 Aug 2006 - 14:39
They do if they upgraded from 98 or ME
#7.3 Smigit on 01 Aug 2006 - 14:43
Only if they didnt do a fresh install. It's been years since I've been on a pc that would have been using Fat32.
#7.4 ozgeek on 02 Aug 2006 - 03:51
Yeah, NTFS is much better than FAT. Only some of my external hardware (camera and USB flashdrive) use FAT and they are the only devices that use the FAT I've ever used in years.
(5 replies) #8 diabulos on 01 Aug 2006 - 04:21
So many effing versions, sometimes MS is just plain stupid, totally stupid, you wonder if they ever learn. Have one version, make it simple...how many versions of OSX? and it does almost everything Vista does. On top of that, lets create a complicated upgrade path, lets make the waters murkier...it wont affect the perception of our product!
#8.1 DJ_Myth on 01 Aug 2006 - 04:35
There are 2 versions of OSX, Server and Client.
#8.2 Relativity_17 on 01 Aug 2006 - 04:52
I believe that people bitched and moaned when XP came out with Home and Pro, because there wasn't enough flexibility. Proof that no matter what Microsoft does, someone will hate them for it.
#8.3 dugbug on 01 Aug 2006 - 06:03
Quote - Relativity_17 said @ #8.2
I believe that people bitched and moaned when XP came out with Home and Pro, because there wasn't enough flexibility. Proof that no matter what Microsoft does, someone will hate them for it.


I hear you, but having this many variants is crazy. How many are there now?

Basic, Home, Pro, Pro 64, ultimate, media, tablet pc, ... Im missing a few. They differ in subtle ways, like having different backup/recovery tools.

I think they aren't sure what to do with the media center and tablet pc stuff honestly. They should probably just throw everything together for the consumer: Basic and Ultimate. Then for the developer: Business (get rid of "professional".
#8.4 Smigit on 01 Aug 2006 - 06:11
Its not as bad as you make it out to be.

Basic, Home, Pro and Ultimate are the only versions users will actually be concerned with, the rest of these versions are for more specialised purposes such as small business, servers, tablet PC's ect. Basically only a subset of the actual Vista releases will be applicable to home users.

Of those releases for the "average user" who doesnt require specialised functionality you can then drop Pro and ultimate as they arent intended for them leaving only basic or home editions. I seriously doubt you will see as many editions available in stores as you seem to suggest. It's possible that something like basic will only be available OEM too, kind of like Windows XP N. I duno but.

Although I havent read this anywhere, seeing as how EVERY version of windoes comes on the same disk and functionality is unlocked based on the key, I wonder if the 64 and 32 bit distinctions will only be made at install time, ie they wont be boxed as individual products or priced differently. I couldnt say but it would seem to be a logical move IMHO.

OEM's will also gravitate towards a single release or two max probably, most likely one being home and the other being either pro or ultimate.
#8.5 Xerxes on 01 Aug 2006 - 06:35
Quote - dugbug said @ #8.3
Quote - Relativity_17 said @ #8.2
I believe that people bitched and moaned when XP came out with Home and Pro, because there wasn't enough flexibility. Proof that no matter what Microsoft does, someone will hate them for it.


I hear you, but having this many variants is crazy. How many are there now?

Basic, Home, Pro, Pro 64, ultimate, media, tablet pc, ... Im missing a few. They differ in subtle ways, like having different backup/recovery tools.

I think they aren't sure what to do with the media center and tablet pc stuff honestly. They should probably just throw everything together for the consumer: Basic and Ultimate. Then for the developer: Business (get rid of "professional".


Your close, the versions are as follows: Starter, Home Basic, Home Premium, Business, Enterprise and Ultimate. The Tablet PC and MCE fuctionality are built into some of the versions of Vista (I know Home Premium and Ultimate have them, not sure on the other versions though) Here is the link if you don't believe me

EDIT: As for the 64-bit editions, I'm assuming there you can get 32-bit or 64-bit versions of all the Vista editions with the exclusion of Starter of cause, but I could be wrong about that as I'm not sure.
EDIT2: I also beleive the install CD is the same for all versions so it doesn't matter if you buy Starter or Ultimate or whether it was an Upgrade or Full Install, the CD is exactly the same, as all your really paying for is a CD key...so while it seems rather confusing I think MS have actually done it very well.

Last edited by Xerxes on 01 Aug 2006 - 06:46
#9 12Iceman on 01 Aug 2006 - 06:38
As long as I can still only need to buy an upgrade copy, I don't mind having to reinstall. I most likely would have done so anyway, so I don't still have all the leftover junk from XP on my computer.
#10 azz0r_wugg on 01 Aug 2006 - 06:46
This is due tof eatures built into XP Pro

This is due to features built into XP Pro

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(4 replies) #11 C_Guy on 01 Aug 2006 - 14:26
They have so many versions so consumers can purchase exactly the operating system they want without having to pay for features they don't want or won't ever use. It's a great idea because if you don't intend to use half the things Microsoft spent so much time and money developing then why should you have to pay for them?

Besides, if you later decide you do want any of those features, Vista has an instant upgrade feature.
#11.1 _Allan_ on 01 Aug 2006 - 14:31
I have to agree - it's a good thing to have many versions. I won't use all the stuff in the top of the line, and will probably go for the first version to have MCE in it.

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#11.2 lbmouse on 01 Aug 2006 - 15:30
Cool! I'm a consumer that wants to purchase the exact operating system I want without paying for features I don't want and won't ever use. Now where can I get the version that doesn't have WGA's invasive features and that nasty embedded DRM?
#11.3 MioTheGreat on 01 Aug 2006 - 21:51
Sigh. You people and your 'I'll never use Vista because of DRM'.....

What no one seems to comprehend is that the content producers don't care about you. They really don't. They are the ones who want the DRM in place, and those systems that lack it (Linux, for example) Will simply be unable to use any DRM'd content.
#11.4 lbmouse on 02 Aug 2006 - 16:49
Sigh. You people and your 'complacent attitutde towards embedded DRM'....

What no one seems to comprehend is that you are the consumer that purchases the product from content producers. If you don't stand up for your rights as a consumer, who will? So let's all use systems that allow the DRM to be disabled (Linux, for example) and the content providers will follow... and guess what? They will STILL find a way to make money.
#12 ViCE KiNG on 01 Aug 2006 - 22:16
is it true that it will still be released in november for businesses?

and especially wondering about volume licensing and if that is going to be available for it as well...
#13 realmccoy on 01 Aug 2006 - 23:12
Hope the OS comes out sometime in 2007
#14 AfroTrance on 02 Aug 2006 - 02:16
Upgrade?

Ok... only newbies would upgrade, and newbies don't format. So there are going to be all these newbies with XP that hasn't been formatted since installing (3-5 years?) with loads of junk, upgrading to Vista...
I expect the same thing to happen when XP came out, upgrading will result in a Vista install that crashes and runs like ****, forcing the user to format anyway.

(1 reply) #15 DaveXT on 02 Aug 2006 - 02:29
Wonder how long it'll take before the hacking community busts the whole disc open? I understand that it's easier to advance your version if it's all on the one disc, but that they're giving you the install disc for everything, makes me wonder how secure the disc itself will be.
#15.1 billyea on 02 Aug 2006 - 08:19
will probably involve WGA, if you purchased a genuine license key then you get to advance
#16 Guol on 02 Aug 2006 - 09:17
Doesn't upset me..

I clean install anyway
#17 j0j081 on 02 Aug 2006 - 12:02
all this talk of clean install makes me want to do one. D:
#18 leesmithg on 02 Aug 2006 - 12:55
Can't see myself buying a new ops anyway, I like windows xp pro too much.

Maybe 3 or 4 years when M$ kill support totally for XP Pro

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