Microsoft to Release Windows XP SP3 Later This Year
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#1 Posted by LTD on 24 May 2007 - 14:38
- All those who chose to stick with XP, or go back to it from Vista, now seem to have even more reason to hold off.
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#2 Posted by Tantawi on 24 May 2007 - 14:43
- I don't care about XP anymore, (A happy Vista user), but indeed this is a good news for XP users!
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#3 Posted by cooljerk_dv on 24 May 2007 - 14:45
- good stuff
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#4 Posted by majortom1981 on 24 May 2007 - 14:47
- I use vista on my pc at work, and all my pcs at home including my 3 year old laptop . I do use xp on the network at work though so I hope sp3 is good and not a dud.
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#4.1 Posted by bmaher on 24 May 2007 - 15:06
- I hope they sort out Vista -> XP networking, as that is, to put it truthfully, unbearable at the moment.
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#4.2 Posted by majortom1981 on 24 May 2007 - 15:10
- Quote - (bmaher said @ #4.1)I hope they sort out Vista -> XP networking, as that is, to put it truthfully, unbearable at the moment.
I doesnt matter to me too much because our domain is a windows 2003 domain and all of our shares are on the server so I dont do too much sharing between vista and xp. Its mostly between vista and 2003 and xp and 2003.
I only really do remote desktop from vista to xp.
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#6 Posted by Fubar on 24 May 2007 - 14:51
- thanks for the heads up , XP will be the last windows os i use unless the release after vista is something special because i didn't like vista what so ever in fact my experience was so bad with it i put it in the ME category , flame me if you will but its my opinion and for me vista just inst that good of an os
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#6.1 Posted by majortom1981 on 24 May 2007 - 15:11
- Quote - (Fubar said @ #6)thanks for the heads up , XP will be the last windows os i use unless the release after vista is something special because i didn't like vista what so ever in fact my experience was so bad with it i put it in the ME category , flame me if you will but its my opinion and for me vista just inst that good of an os
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#6.2 Posted by MajinDark on 24 May 2007 - 17:44
- Quote - (Fubar said @ #1)thanks for the heads up , XP will be the last windows os i use unless the release after vista is something special because i didn't like vista what so ever in fact my experience was so bad with it i put it in the ME category , flame me if you will but its my opinion and for me vista just inst that good of an os
You'll get flamed if you just say "Vista isn't a good OS" without giving a reason. -
#6.3 Posted by JockStrap on 24 May 2007 - 19:19
- Quote - (MajinDark said @ #6.2)You'll get flamed if you just say "Vista isn't a good OS" without giving a reason.
You'll also get flamed for having a negative opinion of Vista, as most people here are devout Microsoft fanboys that will defend until their death the latest and "greatest" products that MS releases, no matter how horrifically crappy they may be. -
#6.4 Posted by Code Blue on 24 May 2007 - 20:14
- Quote - (JockStrap said @ #6.3)Quote - (MajinDark said @ #6.2)You'll get flamed if you just say "Vista isn't a good OS" without giving a reason.
You'll also get flamed for having a negative opinion of Vista, as most people here are devout Microsoft fanboys that will defend until their death the latest and "greatest" products that MS releases, no matter how horrifically crappy they may be.
Mong
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#6.5 Posted by +Octol on 24 May 2007 - 22:59
- Quote - (JockStrap said @ #6.3)...most people here are devout Microsoft fanboys that will defend until their death the latest and "greatest" products that MS releases, no matter how horrifically crappy they may be.
But of course it's so much better to be an anti-Microsoft troll that reflexively and mindlessly hates all things Microsoft, whether they deserve it or not, right?
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#7 Posted by Jugalator on 24 May 2007 - 15:01
- Yay, my first main news item. :-)
Btw, to avoid reading about Juniper relationships and all that, here's a quoteQuote -Microsoft is announcing that Windows Vista supports this protocol today and Windows Server® 2008 and Windows XP Service Pack 3 (SP3) will support it as well later this year.
I was actually surprised, because I thought the silence on SP3 and all talk of Vista was foreboding.
This might finally help against having to download something like 60 patches upon fresh installs and messing with slipstreamed copies. I hope IE7 is also included while they're at it. I don't really see why not, unless if they're afraid to cause incompatibilities. But at late 2007, I'd hope at least the major websites were catching on. It would also help a lot to further strengthen XP's security. -
#7.1 Posted by gohankid77 on 24 May 2007 - 15:41
- While IE7 being included would be great for Web developers, it might break some applications that have IE6 embedded in them for some reason (e.g. linking to an online store). It would force developers to upgrade their applications though... Then there wouldn't be that fear. I like the idea.
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#7.2 Posted by Shane Pitman on 24 May 2007 - 16:00
- Yeah, I don't want to see IE7 forced any time soon. I have several clients that use custom applications that have a web interface and quite a few of them will not work with IE7 currently.
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#7.3 Posted by Powerless on 24 May 2007 - 17:02
- Quote - (Shane Pitman said @ #7.2)Yeah, I don't want to see IE7 forced any time soon. I have several clients that use custom applications that have a web interface and quite a few of them will not work with IE7 currently.
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#7.4 Posted by toadeater on 24 May 2007 - 22:08
- Quote - (Powerless said @ #7.3)Quote - (Shane Pitman said @ #7.2)Yeah, I don't want to see IE7 forced any time soon. I have several clients that use custom applications that have a web interface and quite a few of them will not work with IE7 currently.
Oh come on; and how long has IE7 been available?
Custom application > some employee who wants to use IE7.
There is really no need to use IE7 except for personal preference. For corporate environments, there's not much need to use Vista either. As a matter of fact, it is a complete waste of resource to upgrade some types of offices to Vista right now. MS made IE7 and Vista flashy for home users and gamers, but didn't really add or improve much to seriously benefit business users.
In business, everything is going virtual anyway, so in a few years it's not going to matter which client OS you run.
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#8 Posted by +Ferret on 24 May 2007 - 15:02
- This is great news !
I didn't think they were gonna bother with XP anymore.
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#9 Posted by +Vegetunks on 24 May 2007 - 15:09
- Hopefully they make the OS faster, SP2 really slowed it down.
I'll only be using my copy of XP in a VM on my MacBook so a small speed boost would be nice -
#9.1 Posted by nismohasan on 24 May 2007 - 15:49
- ur like a mate of mine, apparantly sp2 slows his pc down, ive used his pc with both sp1 and sp2 and guess what
they run exactly the same, only thing slowing his pc down was all the crap he installed + spyware -
#9.2 Posted by leesmithg on 24 May 2007 - 15:57
- Quote - (nismohasan said @ #9.1)ur like a mate of mine, apparantly sp2 slows his pc down, ive used his pc with both sp1 and sp2 and guess what
they run exactly the same, only thing slowing his pc down was all the crap he installed + spyware
I found SP2 update even via beta testing to make my system go faster than SP1a.
Now at full SP2 it's a lot faster than SP1a.
SP3 seems a little late, I get the feeling M$ are doing it quicker than usual because Vista has flopped. -
#9.3 Posted by drygnfyre on 24 May 2007 - 19:28
- Quote - (leesmithg said @ #9.2)Quote - (nismohasan said @ #9.1)ur like a mate of mine, apparantly sp2 slows his pc down, ive used his pc with both sp1 and sp2 and guess what
they run exactly the same, only thing slowing his pc down was all the crap he installed + spyware
I found SP2 update even via beta testing to make my system go faster than SP1a.
Now at full SP2 it's a lot faster than SP1a.
SP3 seems a little late, I get the feeling M$ are doing it quicker than usual because Vista has flopped.
Yes, Vista is a complete flop. That's why it had a more successful launch than XP did, and that's why millions of copies have already been sold. -
#9.4 Posted by reidtheweed01 on 24 May 2007 - 19:30
- Quote - (leesmithg said @ #9.2)Quote - (nismohasan said @ #9.1)ur like a mate of mine, apparantly sp2 slows his pc down, ive used his pc with both sp1 and sp2 and guess what
they run exactly the same, only thing slowing his pc down was all the crap he installed + spyware
I found SP2 update even via beta testing to make my system go faster than SP1a.
Now at full SP2 it's a lot faster than SP1a.
SP3 seems a little late, I get the feeling M$ are doing it quicker than usual because Vista has flopped.
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#9.5 Posted by jstillion on 24 May 2007 - 19:43
- Data Execution Prevention on older machines did cause a noticeable slow down.
If you can live w/o this security feature, killing it and the index services made my machine just as fast as XP SP1 (using sp2) Disable DEP - http://www.neowin.net/forum/lofiversion/in...hp/t307102.html
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#10 Posted by acies on 24 May 2007 - 15:32
- I wonder if we'll see a sidebar for XP now... I remember seeing demonstration of it for XP a long time ago.
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#11 Posted by +Nienor on 24 May 2007 - 15:39
- Good it was about time, we have already more than 100 updates to get when we setup a fresh XP SP2 install.
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#12 Posted by Flint2 on 24 May 2007 - 15:47
- Before anyone gets too excited, this was reported yesterday by MSFN, later picked up by Mary Jo Foley however it turns out it was a mistake by MS. See http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=470 for more info.
Sorry, Windows XP fans. It looks like the “end of 2007″ date for XP Service Pack (SP) 3 that was in a Microsoft press release issued this week was mistake.
At the end of the (east coast) day on May 23, a Microsoft spokeswoman provided the following update:
“I just received additional information from the product manager responsible for SP3. While we’re still not talking specifics, he did point to the following link as an accurate timeline for our preliminary plans for SP3: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/lifecycle/servicepacks.mspx. Again, these are just preliminary and we will share more at a later date. Please do reference this link for current timing and disregard the release from InterOp, which is inaccurate.”
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#13 Posted by slippery on 24 May 2007 - 15:51
- They'll release SP3, then 6-8 months later announce the "end of support" line of crap for XP, just watch.......
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#15 Posted by Express on 24 May 2007 - 16:00
- If sony & canon release camera drivers for Vista I would have no reason to dual boot to XP.
I could buy a $30 card reader and use Vista only but thats plan B.
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#16 Posted by Flint2 on 24 May 2007 - 16:00
- I'd really love not to be a bearer of bad news, but I'm gonna point this out again, read:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=470
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#17 Posted by ir0nw0lf on 24 May 2007 - 16:02
- Mrmm, you hear that sound? Listen closer... It's the sound of Paul Thurrott crapping his "MS won't put a SP3 out ever" words.
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#17.1 Posted by Kushan on 24 May 2007 - 16:09
- Thank you! I was about to point out that he was so sure they'd not release a SP3 for XP.
Shove that in your pipe and smoke it, Paul!
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#18 Posted by plastikaa on 24 May 2007 - 16:09
- Didn't it always say on the Windows site that XP SP3 would be coming?
Next in news... Vista is not the last Windows OS they will ever make :o
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#19 Posted by +RuudJacobs.NET on 24 May 2007 - 16:28
- Even if they'll quit supporting it completely a couple of months later, I think it's an act of good service.
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#20 Posted by +Ruiz on 24 May 2007 - 17:19
- So they're bringing UAC to XP now?
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#20.1 Posted by MajinDark on 24 May 2007 - 17:45
- Not to such a scale, but I did hear that SP3 was supposed to introduce some sort of UAC-like protocol.
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#20.2 Posted by Morpheus Phreak on 24 May 2007 - 18:09
- Quote - (MajinDark said @ #20.1)Not to such a scale, but I did hear that SP3 was supposed to introduce some sort of UAC-like protocol.
Everyone raise your hand if you can tell that these 2 didn't read the article.
They are not referring to User Account Control (which is part of windows)
They are talking about creating interoperability between MS's Network Address Protection & Juniper's Unified Access Control.
Just because it has the same initials means nothing.
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#20.3 Posted by franzon on 24 May 2007 - 18:20
- Unified Access Control is NOT the User Account Control
http://www.juniper.net/products_and_servic...access_control/
Juniper's unified access control solution offers endpoint and identity-based controls, and support both client-host and network-based enforcement of dynamically configured firewall and IP security (IPSec) policies
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#21 Posted by Helba on 24 May 2007 - 17:23
- That's good, and I'm glad to hear it, but too little too late; I've only days ago converted happily to Vista. It's awesome! Should have done it earlier.
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#22 Posted by Samboini on 24 May 2007 - 17:41
- This is good for me as I don't have the money to upgrade to Vista yet
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#23 Posted by soldier1st on 24 May 2007 - 17:53
- all my systems us xp sp2,dont need vista just yet.that drm crap is the main reason for me though.
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#23.1 Posted by Danrarbc on 24 May 2007 - 18:34
- There is no DRM crap added. Unless you want to count HDCP (which ends up only adding functionality, try using CableCard in XP)
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#23.2 Posted by MioTheGreat on 24 May 2007 - 19:17
- I don't have a single DRM'd media file on my PC, and I've been running Vista since build 5270.....
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#24 Posted by D-M on 24 May 2007 - 18:29
- Just seems to me Microsoft is holding back on SP3 for a reason. Would WinXP SP3 help to keep Vista sales down? I'm not bashing, it's just a thought.
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#24.1 Posted by Helba on 24 May 2007 - 20:15
- Perhaps an interesting question, but I don't think so.
If someone is going to buy Vista anyway, they're still probably going to do it.
Everyone on here who's holding out has said they're waiting for Vista SP1 anyway, so if that comes around first or at the same time it probably won't be an issue.
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#25 Posted by NinjaGinger on 24 May 2007 - 18:33
- I tried Vista and hated it, it was so buggy, but I carried on with it and after running autopatcher for Vista it seemed to get more reliable without me realising. I know it wont be agreed but it is miles more reliable that XP and I could not now go back to XP. It still has its querks but I can live with em but then again XP has bugs and thats been out 5 years. BSODs are none existant with Vista for me. Cant say that about XP.
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#26 Posted by atsaunier on 24 May 2007 - 18:46
- Sorry guys but there wont be no SP3 this year....http://blogs.zdnet.com/microsoft/?p=470
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#26.1 Posted by EduardValencia on 24 May 2007 - 19:00
- NOOOO i hate youuuu NOOO!!!!! nOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
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#26.2 Posted by Helba on 24 May 2007 - 20:17
- Quote - (EduardValencia said @ #26.1)NOOOO i hate youuuu NOOO!!!!! nOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
IMPOSSIBLE!
Uh, what?
I thought that's what the date was, anyway.
That's her name... Mary Jo Foley.
She's the one that said SP3 wasn't coming at all
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#26.3 Posted by Jugalator on 24 May 2007 - 22:09
- *sigh*
So you can't even trust Microsoft's press releases anymore...
Oh well... If that's true, we'll just have to wait. It seems it's at least on the table though, which was what I was even uncertain of before this.
LOL, I'd also have liked to see that from someone else than Mary Jo Foley though.
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#27 Posted by DouglasLWarren on 24 May 2007 - 19:19
- It's great to hear that they are at least working on SP3. I noticed the few posts to the service pack road map, but did those of you who posted it notice the last time that page was updated??Quote -Last Updated: March 28, 2007
Isn't it highly possible that the release date has changed??
DLW
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#28 Posted by MegaRainX on 24 May 2007 - 19:36
- This is good news. I beleive that a majority of the community has come to the discion that Vista, while interesting, failed to deliver Perhaps we'll get some nice UI updates in SP3, seeing as that's all vista boils down too.
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#28.1 Posted by Helba on 24 May 2007 - 20:22
- No, I severely doubt that would happen. Microsoft wouldn't take any eggs out of Vista's basket and put them in XP's. Now THAT would reduce Vista sales.
I think the community needs to rethink their verdict. I think Vista does deliver, and we will begin to see that over the course of the next year or so.
I've told several people recently that I've upgraded to Vista and that it's running great and I haven't even had one problem with it. Each person has said 'So they've managed to fix it up?' And then I tell them that I haven't downloaded one update or fix yet. Just plain RTM Vista Ultimate. No problems to speak of.
It still seems to me that the majority of naysayers haven't yet tried Vista, or, y'know, spent more than a couple minutes messing with it. I really like it as an OS, and as far as I'm concerned, it has delivered.
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#29 Posted by jstillion on 24 May 2007 - 19:38
- This is very good stuff. Getting tired of doing a clean install of XP and having 80+ mb of post install critical and recommended updates.
I know I can integrate but the amount of stuff is really starting to slow down the installation time.
Post install patchers (autopatcher xp) also takes a very long time now.
I don't care if it has any "new" features at all, just make a clean base with all the cirtical / most of the recommended hotfixes.
And I can see MS holding off on XP sp3 to help boost Vista Sales.
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#30 Posted by EduardValencia on 24 May 2007 - 20:10
- I hope we get XP service pack 3,a very good update to make it more stable and fast.
Guess ill start posting suggestions,and reporting bugs in their forums
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#31 Posted by ir0nw0lf on 24 May 2007 - 21:21
- Anyone at all heard a peep from Paul Thurrott today? He's probably been too busy all day eating that big ole slice of humble pie to come out and admit he really pooched this prediction. Be a man Paul and admit it!
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#32 Posted by Andy13 on 24 May 2007 - 21:57
- YAY! I knew it. :-D I hope SP3 will have some small but subtle fixes, such as the quick launch bar disappearing every restart, and windows not always coming to focus. =)
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#33 Posted by Primetime2006 on 24 May 2007 - 23:24
- That's kind of nice. Although SP1 for Vista will be out which is all I'm waiting for before switching, I might try out SP3 of XP and hold off on Vista a little longer.
The post critical installs alone are getting annoying - 80+ MB then all of the service packs on top of the .NET Framework, etc.
Worth a look at the least.
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#35 Posted by DKAngel on 27 May 2007 - 17:11
- why are ppl bothering to wait for sp1 of vista, do u guys even know whats going to be added in sp1?
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#35.1 Posted by MrT0ad on 27 May 2007 - 18:33
- Quote - (DKAngel said @ #35)why are ppl bothering to wait for sp1 of vista, do u guys even know whats going to be added in sp1?
No idea.
In my particular case I've found nothing but eye candy on Vista x86. I have my particular rants about how it behaves in low end systems, and I would not encourage everyone to run and buy a copy, but if your laptop/desktop comes with Vista, don't go a burn the MS HQ either.
However, I'm watching closely how Vista x64 evolves. That's what makes me subscribe the "Let's wait for SP1" trend.
If it's not grotesquely hindered till the point that it refuses to run The Gimp, Inkscape or OpenOffice, or hacked hardware drivers, which is what I basically run at home at the moment, it will probably be a good choice in it's own time
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#36 Posted by james.faction on 01 Jun 2007 - 02:22
- yeah put me in the "Vista hater" category too. Even fast machines run like crap with Vista, it's a CPU and memory hog, it's unstable on most systems, and the driver requirements are so high that hardware support for it is poor.
On top of that the built-in DRM hobbles all the high-end outputs (as well as hogging even more CPU) whenever you play anything that *might* be protected content. Horrible. Vista wont really be worthwhile until most likely the second service pack.
I'm sticking with XP, which is now a good operating systemm, so a SP3 for XP is great news to me - and my organisation.
This information came in conjunction with the announcement that Windows XP SP3 as well as Windows Vista will gain support for interoperability between Microsoft's Network Address Protection (NAP) and Juniper Network's Unified Access Control (UAC) standards for network access control (NAC) deployments.
The feature set for Windows XP Service Pack 3 is however still unannounced.