Windows Vista SP1 beta due this week?
Posted by Daniel Fleshbourne on 19 July 2007 - 09:43 · 41 comments & 19754 views
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#1 Posted by sCrAtCh420th on 19 Jul 2007 - 09:58
- I'll Believe It When I See It
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#2 Posted by funkymunky on 19 Jul 2007 - 10:06
- Is it an Open or Closed Beta???
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#3 Posted by cork1958 on 19 Jul 2007 - 11:43
- Yeah,
They BETTER rush this crap out ASAP. Vista needs all the help it can get, right out of the box. Removed it from the 2 boxes I had it installed on 2 days afterwards! What a POS!! Just my opinion on this!!
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#3.1 Posted by advancedboy on 19 Jul 2007 - 13:49
- Isn't rushing what made Vista so garbage anyways?
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#4 Posted by RanCorX2 on 19 Jul 2007 - 11:48
- wish they'd hurry it up then, it's now Thursday, still no beta, and if it's a closed beta then blahh!! @ ms.
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#5 Posted by colddove on 19 Jul 2007 - 12:27
- I got that email on the 17th. Although it might not make a difference, they did send a correction notice too. I got that email the next day. The first one said it was for Vista SP1 and the correction notice said it's for Server 2008.Quote -Apologies All, We made a typo in the last notification that went that referenced the wrong OS. We didn't mean to imply or cause any confusion on the availability of the Service Pack for Vista. The WDK build available now on connect is the latest for Windows Server 2008.
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#5.1 Posted by sCrAtCh420th on 19 Jul 2007 - 12:40
- Quote - (colddove said @ #5)I got that email on the 17th. Although it might not make a difference, they did send a correction notice too. I got that email the next day. The first one said it was for Vista SP1 and the correction notice said it's for Server 2008.Quote -Apologies All, We made a typo in the last notification that went that referenced the wrong OS. We didn't mean to imply or cause any confusion on the availability of the Service Pack for Vista. The WDK build available now on connect is the latest for Windows Server 2008.
Thanks,
The WDK Beta team
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#5.2 Posted by Nexus- on 19 Jul 2007 - 21:51
- However it doesnt matter which one they called it. Service pack 1 for vista is the same as Server 2008 SP0/RTM. In the same way XP x64 RTM was Server 2008 SP1. In fact if you want to play with the codebase of vista sp1 i would recomend you install server 08.
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#5.3 Posted by +Octol on 19 Jul 2007 - 22:54
- Quote - (Nexus- said @ #5.2)However it doesnt matter which one they called it. Service pack 1 for vista is the same as Server 2008 SP0/RTM. In the same way XP x64 RTM was Server 2008 SP1. In fact if you want to play with the codebase of vista sp1 i would recomend you install server 08.
I have the June CTP of S2008 installed in a VMware Workstation virtual machine. Its UI – and usability – is just like Vista's, but without a lot of the hassles. Seems pretty solid so far. I too would strongly recommend it over Vista – even if you just use it as a desktop OS.
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#6 Posted by Magallanes on 19 Jul 2007 - 13:04
- Why the rush with SP1?.... may be because many people said that will buy Vista before the launch of the first service pack.
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#6.1 Posted by chisss on 19 Jul 2007 - 13:31
- Quote - (Magallanes said @ #6)Why the rush with SP1?.... may be because many people said that will buy Vista before the launch of the first service pack.
Why the rush??? because vista is nothing but incompatibility. That's why the rush... people are getting ****ed off, I get calls from people wanting to buy laptops but they DO NOT want Vista on their PCs... they rather pay the extra $$$ and load XP on it. -
#6.2 Posted by advancedboy on 19 Jul 2007 - 13:51
- Quote - (chisss said @ #6.1)Quote - (Magallanes said @ #6)Why the rush with SP1?.... may be because many people said that will buy Vista before the launch of the first service pack.
Why the rush??? because vista is nothing but incompatibility. That's why the rush... people are getting ****ed off, I get calls from people wanting to buy laptops but they DO NOT want Vista on their PCs... they rather pay the extra $$$ and load XP on it.
This surprises me! I didn't know the average person knows what Vista is! My neighbour thought he got XP with a skin with his new PC -
#6.3 Posted by roadwarrior on 19 Jul 2007 - 14:08
- Quote - (advancedboy said @ #6.2)This surprises me! I didn't know the average person knows what Vista is! My neighbour thought he got XP with a skin with his new PC
He pretty much did. LOL (OK, just kidding)
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#7 Posted by Angel Blue01 on 19 Jul 2007 - 14:05
- I've never had any serious problems with Vista x64 or x86 that couldn't be traced to driver issues!
Granted it is buggy, but does anyone else remember how buggy Windows XP, 2k and 98 Gold were before their service packs and good drivers?!
People don't want it because its different -well so was Win95 and much more seriously! -
#7.2 Posted by whocares78 on 20 Jul 2007 - 02:04
- 98 never had any service packs(not sure what 98 Gold is), there was the SE version, released but never any SP's and as far as i am concerned it is still buggy and crap, do agree xp was pretty buggy but i never had issues with 2000
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#9 Posted by DKAngel on 19 Jul 2007 - 14:29
- ive had so much more of a pleasant exsperience out of the box with vista on my pc than i ever freakin did with xp
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#10 Posted by Xenomorph on 19 Jul 2007 - 15:10
- my biggest issues with Vista are the interface and design decisions that went into it.
Microsoft wanted something new. a fresh approach to doing stuff.
the end result was something that is definitely different, and in many, many ways a *worse* way to do things.
many options don't have alternative methods of doing things - they simply don't exist in Vista.
i doubt the Service Pack will change things back to how they use to be done.
with a Vista-compatible system w/ 2 Gigs of ram or more, things should run fine. no issues with stability or anything.
the only "non interface" Vista correction i can think of off the top of my head for the server pack is that whole "Slow file transfer" issue. hard drives that are capable of 30-100 megabytes a second transfer should not be transferring files at under 1 meg a second to each other. -
#10.1 Posted by Hidr0 on 19 Jul 2007 - 15:27
- Agree with you Xenomorph: they MUST fix the slow file transfer issue... this is the only downside i found in Vista... so far!
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#10.2 Posted by kezzzs on 19 Jul 2007 - 16:57
- They already have - there is hotfix - works perfectly for me http://robgarrett.com/cs/blogs/software/ar...e-copy-fix.aspx
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#10.3 Posted by bluarash on 20 Jul 2007 - 00:58
- The hot fix does have some issues. The first thing you might want to check is whether or not write caching is enabled and advanced performance tabs are enabled. Most SATA installs of Vista that I have come across (may not be norm) seem to have these both disabled. You can benefit greatly by optimizing the hard disk.
The user interface is something I like. I have been using Windows since 95 (and it was time for a change). The UI is nicely laid out and most options "should be easily available." I will admit that it can be a little limiting at times. They do, however, offer a nice command line (power-shell). It works well under XP and Windows 2003, but has some enhanced features under Vista (as well as the coming Win2k8 server line).
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#11 Posted by ShiZZa on 19 Jul 2007 - 15:46
- Your file transfer thing sounds like you are running a bad driver my friend. File transfers on IDE on the same LUN will be a hair slower but i don't know your setup from your post. If you have SATA drives and you run them in lagacy PATA mode that can slow things down in translation, but shouldn't be that much. You might want to run a S.M.A.R.T. test also. You might have a drive thats about to fail and your bios might not be reporting the message at startup. I have seen that drop speeds way low. Might also want to check event viewer to see if Windows has predicted a HD failure as well if you don't reboot your PCs like some of us.
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#12 Posted by wd40 on 19 Jul 2007 - 16:20
- The Official Word on Vista SP1
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/17662
via winbeta here http://www.winbeta.org/comments.php?id=8518&catid=1
Bink.nu is reporting that "So the only release that's occurring is a limited Beta to a very small, very select group of advance customers. A public version of the Beta is not being released this week, nor next, nor in July, nor anytime in the immediate future."
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#13 Posted by AndyJD on 19 Jul 2007 - 18:00
- I must be one of the lucky ones I have been using Vista before it went Final. I have tried and used both x86 and 64bit versions and haven't had any issues regarding stability, reliability or usability that has bothered me any more than with XP.
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#13.1 Posted by bluarash on 20 Jul 2007 - 01:02
- I haven't really had very many issues either. The two biggest problems I seem to have is a conflict with my APC Power Chute software and the lack of drivers for either of my flatbed scanners. I think DVD playback could be much improved, though you can buy a third party codec, and the performance of Nvidia (and ATI to a lesser extent) need to be enhanced. These, however, are not issues that are that uncommon with any new OS release.
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#13.2 Posted by srstakey on 20 Jul 2007 - 01:17
- Quote - (bluarash said @ #13.1)I haven't really had very many issues either. The two biggest problems I seem to have is a conflict with my APC Power Chute software and the lack of drivers for either of my flatbed scanners. I think DVD playback could be much improved, though you can buy a third party codec, and the performance of Nvidia (and ATI to a lesser extent) need to be enhanced. These, however, are not issues that are that uncommon with any new OS release.
I'm on Vista Ultimate x64 with no Power Chute problems. You may want to check APC's website out again. -
#13.3 Posted by bluarash on 20 Jul 2007 - 03:36
- I know it is likely something in my configuration. I have not been able to trace it. I was most successful by uninstalling the APC software. The error was related to my CPU going to 100% when coming out of standby or being booted again after hibernation. I even tried using apcupsd but had the same problem. I will, however, take a look again.
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#14 Posted by AndyJD on 19 Jul 2007 - 18:02
- Delete this comment - previous one didn't display but now it's there
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#15 Posted by M118LR on 19 Jul 2007 - 18:46
- Vista continues to be developed through Server 2008. Any problems that show up with Vista can be delt with during the development of Server 2008. Each new release of Server 2008 also contains an update to Vista SP1. Server 2008 is on target for a Nov. 2007 RTM along with Vista SP1.
Everyone here knows that the code base for Vista and Server 2008 are the same right?
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#16 Posted by -SHiFT- on 19 Jul 2007 - 19:43
- This is ALWAYS going to be the case with a new OS. People were yapping and whining when Windows XP was released as well....
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#17 Posted by +lylesback2 on 19 Jul 2007 - 20:23
- i can just see the mac ads running with this..
"A brand new operating system with a major update already"...
I wonder where i can get my hands on a beta test
Others speculate Microsoft might release the SP1 beta Thursday, the day it will report the company's fiscal 2007 fourth quarter and year-end financial results. In an interview Wednesday, one source close to the company said he had been told by insiders that a beta of SP1 would be out by now, so an imminent release is highly likely. And another source said that beta testers report SP1 will definitely be out this week with a final release coming in November or December.