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Eric Traut talks (and demos) Windows 7 and MinWin

Slimy   on 19 October 2007 - 00:23 · 18 comments & 16274 views

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Long Zheng has conveniently clipped out about 8 minutes worth of video footage of the current Windows 7 kernel, taken from a much longer (over one hour) video of Microsoft’s distinguished engineer Eric Traut’ October 13 presentation at the University of Illinois about Microsoft’s virtualization technology (hypervisors and whatnot). “Whilst the presentation is not directly about Windows 7, it does contain a demonstration of MinWin - an internal project to build the most efficient Windows kernel which will in turn be used in Windows 7,” Zheng notes. I’ve included both links below for your enjoyment but I’d like to thank Zheng especially for his excellent video clipping skills. If you don't want to watch the 8 minute video, I'll try to summarize by saying: "Windows 7 kernel in 25 megs on disk and under 40 megs of memory."

Download: Full WMV video (1 hour & 6 minutes)
Video: Windows 7 Footage (8 minutes)
News source: istartedsomething

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(8 replies) #1 Morpheus Phreak on 19 Oct 2007 - 00:41
Barely interesting demo, and the man doesn't know his MS history.

Windows Seven (not 7) is called what is for a different reason than he said.

NT 3.1 was actually the first NT, not 3.5 like he said.

Count the releases starting there.

NT 3.1
NT 3.51
NT 4
Windows 2000 (NT 5)
Windows XP (NT 5.1)
Windows Vista (NT 6)
Windows Seven (NT 7)

You do the math
#1.1 Ideas Man on 19 Oct 2007 - 00:54
Geez mate, if you wanna rip into someone over something, get your facts right first.

For starters, you missed Windows Server 2003 which is v5.2, therefore your whole idea is blown right out of the water. You also failed to mention Windows NT 3.5, so that's what? 8 releases prior to Windows 7.
#1.2 Tantawi on 19 Oct 2007 - 00:59
powned
#1.3 EchoNoise on 19 Oct 2007 - 01:30
Now thats a riot.
#1.4 Ledward on 19 Oct 2007 - 01:52
It seems like Windows Seven is so (code)named because it is NT version 7. (Vista was NT 6.0.)
#1.5 Morpheus Phreak on 19 Oct 2007 - 02:38
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Geez mate, if you wanna rip into someone over something, get your facts right first.

For starters, you missed Windows Server 2003 which is v5.2, therefore your whole idea is blown right out of the water. You also failed to mention Windows NT 3.5, so that's what? 8 releases prior to Windows 7.


I'm not counting server releases.

That's based on NT-based client releases alone, but then again what would I know.

I mean I only had Jon DeVaan, Senior Vice President of Core Operating Systems tell me that this was the rational behind the codename.

So yeah I know nothing, .

EDIT-Also 3.5 and 3.51 are counted as one version as the difference in version was a minor point release, instead of a major point release. So based off of Major Revisions of the Client OS you have 7 versions.
#1.6 balupton on 19 Oct 2007 - 04:52
Dude, I'm sure a guy working at and talking about microsoft knows a bit more about this subject than you.
#1.7 Morpheus Phreak on 19 Oct 2007 - 06:41
Quote - (balupton said @ #1.6)
Dude, I'm sure a guy working at and talking about microsoft knows a bit more about this subject than you.


Re-read my post, balupton.

My information comes from someone higher up in the company than this guy.
#1.8 WICKO on 19 Oct 2007 - 06:55
Quote - (Morpheus Phreak said @ #1.7)
Quote - (balupton said @ #1.6)
Dude, I'm sure a guy working at and talking about microsoft knows a bit more about this subject than you.


Re-read my post, balupton.

My information comes from someone higher up in the company than this guy.


I think I can safely say:

<snipped - rule 5>

Last edited by PureLegend on 19 Oct 2007 - 18:54
(1 reply) #2 +Blaine on 19 Oct 2007 - 01:18
so can someone comment on what size the vista kernel is in comparison.
#2.1 MioTheGreat on 19 Oct 2007 - 01:31
At present, for me, Vista's kernel is using 56 megs of nonpaged, and 124 megs of paged memory.

But truth be told, I don't care about the size it takes up in memory. Often in programming, you can use a little extra memory, and gain some speed, and given how dirt cheap memory is, I'd rather they take that route wherever possible.
(5 replies) #3 dduardo on 19 Oct 2007 - 03:07
In comparison the latest Linux kernel 2.6.23 is 1.8M on disk and 2.3M in memory on my system.
#3.1 RAID 0 on 19 Oct 2007 - 03:20
..and this has WHAT to do with the article?
#3.2 dduardo on 19 Oct 2007 - 03:27
Quote - (RAID 0 said @ #3.1)
..and this has WHAT to do with the article?


How about this:

"If you don't want to watch the 8 minute video, I'll try to summarize by saying: "Windows 7 kernel in 25 megs on disk and under 40 megs of memory.""

Sure Microsoft has reduced the footprint of the Windows kernel, but it's still huge relatively speaking.
#3.3 Morpheus Phreak on 19 Oct 2007 - 04:25
Quote - (dduardo said @ #3.2)
Quote - (RAID 0 said @ #3.1)
..and this has WHAT to do with the article?


How about this:

"If you don't want to watch the 8 minute video, I'll try to summarize by saying: "Windows 7 kernel in 25 megs on disk and under 40 megs of memory.""

Sure Microsoft has reduced the footprint of the Windows kernel, but it's still huge relatively speaking.


That was more than just the kernel.

That was the kernel and all dependencies required to get a basic working command based OS.
#3.4 dangel on 19 Oct 2007 - 09:46
Quote - (Morpheus Phreak said @ #3.3)
Quote - (dduardo said @ #3.2)
Quote - (RAID 0 said @ #3.1)
..and this has WHAT to do with the article?


How about this:

"If you don't want to watch the 8 minute video, I'll try to summarize by saying: "Windows 7 kernel in 25 megs on disk and under 40 megs of memory.""

Sure Microsoft has reduced the footprint of the Windows kernel, but it's still huge relatively speaking.


That was more than just the kernel.

That was the kernel and all dependencies required to get a basic working command based OS.


Indeed - people either didn't watch the video or listen - minwin is not a kernel on it's own.
#3.5 GP007 on 19 Oct 2007 - 13:38
Quote - (dangel said @ #3.4)
Quote - (Morpheus Phreak said @ #3.3)
Quote - (dduardo said @ #3.2)
Quote - (RAID 0 said @ #3.1)
..and this has WHAT to do with the article?


How about this:

"If you don't want to watch the 8 minute video, I'll try to summarize by saying: "Windows 7 kernel in 25 megs on disk and under 40 megs of memory.""

Sure Microsoft has reduced the footprint of the Windows kernel, but it's still huge relatively speaking.


That was more than just the kernel.

That was the kernel and all dependencies required to get a basic working command based OS.


Indeed - people either didn't watch the video or listen - minwin is not a kernel on it's own.


So true, but since they had some numbers to go on, you know where it leads. <snipped - rule 5>

Last edited by PureLegend on 19 Oct 2007 - 18:57
#4 PixlNinja on 22 Oct 2007 - 13:13
Any mirror for the (http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/conference/2007/video/UIUC-ACM-RP07-Traut.wmv) Video ?

Too slow download Huge size

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