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RangerLG   on 23 December 2007 - 22:52 · 57 comments & 41245 views

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Listening to music non-stop has never been easier since the iPod came along. But future versions of Apple's MP3 player are to be adapted to prevent users from playing tracks at full blast through their earphones for too long. Amid growing fears that listeners could cause irreversible damage to their hearing - the highest setting is as loud as a chainsaw - Apple is developing an automatic volume control. A new patent reveals that the next iPods and iPhones could automatically calculate how long a person has been listening and at what volume, before gradually reducing the sound level. The device will also calculate the amount of "quiet time" between when the iPod is turned off and when it is restarted, allowing the volume to be increased again to a safe level. The patent states: "Since the damaging effect on users' hearing is both gradual and cumulative, even those users who are concerned about hearing loss may not behave in a manner that would limit or minimise such damaging effects."

Listening to volumes below 70 decibels is considered safe. But iPods can currently reach volumes of over 100 decibels - the equivalent to standing 10ft from a pneumatic drill - and enough to cause permanent damage after just 15 minutes. Some MP3 players can even exceed 120 decibels. In April, Apple revealed it had sold more than 100million iPods worldwide and was expecting, by the end of this year, to have sold more than 4.5million iPhones. Of those 200,000 will have been bought in Britain. Its patent application, however, is the first time Apple has acknowledged concerns over the risk the iPod poses to hearing and comes after a series of damning studies highlighted the potentially damaging effects. The Royal National Institute for Deaf People (RNID) has led calls for restrained listening and claimed that more than four million young people aged between 16- and 24-years-old are at risk of hearing damage from listening to loud music.

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#1 hotdog963al on 23 Dec 2007 - 22:58
BRING ON THE NOISE!!!!!!!!!!!!
#2 saxondale. on 23 Dec 2007 - 23:01
I normally take i break from listening to my MP3 player and give my ears a good rest (a few weeks). My Shure SE530 pack a serious punch and i need to be careful how loud i listen to my music, especially since these headphones go right into your ear.
(2 replies) #3 Miles Acton on 23 Dec 2007 - 23:02
uhm, the loudest setting is as loud as a chainsaw?! i have an ipod and on maximum its NOWHERE near the loudness of a chainsaw!
#3.1 saxondale. on 23 Dec 2007 - 23:06
I can't listen to mine on the loudest setting. It does depend on the type of earphones though.
#3.2 XerXis on 23 Dec 2007 - 23:12
yes it is, when you put the earphones in your ear it is the EQUIVALENT of chainsaw
#4 +tunafish on 23 Dec 2007 - 23:07
I hope someone releases a hack for this or theres an option to turn it off.
Not all of us plug out ipods into headphones you know.... I sometimes use travel speakers etc
#5 FutureX 2001 on 23 Dec 2007 - 23:15
They'll probably add a seperate line out that outputs sound at a non controllable setting. (For external speakers). 50% output or something.
(1 reply) #6 +macf13nd on 23 Dec 2007 - 23:22
nannyism.
#6.1 ghostwind on 23 Dec 2007 - 23:47
Sorry, I couldn't hear you. Could you please repeat that?
(4 replies) #7 kezzzs on 23 Dec 2007 - 23:32
WHAT?! No seriously. I didn't get any of that.
#7.1 evo_spook on 23 Dec 2007 - 23:35
Quote - (kezzzs said @ #7)
WHAT?! No seriously. I didn't get any of that.


Its to stop them getting sued in a few years time who will start complaining about losing their hearing due to playing a Ipod and want 50 million in damages
#7.2 kezzzs on 24 Dec 2007 - 01:04
I meant it as a poorly advised joke
#7.3 Sumeet on 24 Dec 2007 - 01:20
Quote - (kezzzs said @ #7.2)
I meant it as a poorly advised joke



Your joke doesn't work on the internet because you have to READ the story. Even in real life I doubt it would be funny anyways. Sorry lol
#7.4 kezzzs on 24 Dec 2007 - 10:24
Ever heard of the Accessibility menu?
(1 reply) #8 .Neo on 23 Dec 2007 - 23:47
My iPod classic's maximum sound level is pretty low already. At times way too low.
#8.1 QuarterSwede on 24 Dec 2007 - 01:15
It depends on what headphones you have. My 2G iPod Nano CRANKS at max volume on my Sony MDR-7506's. Definitely enough to not only damage my ears but to give me a quick headache.
#9 +MichaelBL on 23 Dec 2007 - 23:55
Well, hope they give the user a choice.
#10 ajua on 23 Dec 2007 - 23:58
this feature could turn into a very annoying thing. I hope they have the option to turn the auto volume off for songs or videos that have very low volume.
#11 trip21 on 24 Dec 2007 - 00:23
Now if only they would stop providing the cr@ppiest earphones possible that leak sound allowing all around to hear the doof
#12 NiceCarpet on 24 Dec 2007 - 00:37
As others have said if theres a option to turn it on it would be a good idea.

I don't understand how people can use iPod earphones on max in the first place the sound must be so distorted I wouldn't think it would be worth listening to it at that level and alot of the time it is people with the stock earphones doing this?

skkkkkkkkkkkkkswwcckkkk < ends up sounding like that imo.
(1 reply) #13 Stetson on 24 Dec 2007 - 00:50
How does the patent filing for a system by which volume could be limited in this way translate into "Apple to Launch iPod with Automatic Volume Control" ???

It's just a patent filing folks, and a company like Apple is sure to patent every possible thing they can, whether or not they ever use it.
#13.1 PureLegend on 24 Dec 2007 - 10:57
*points at source*
(1 reply) #14 Sranshaft on 24 Dec 2007 - 00:50
If they truly wanted to combat this sort of thing they would change the maximum volume output by adjusting it at the hardware level. This is just another one of those, 'look at what we can do' features - nothing more.
#14.1 conan_2000 on 24 Dec 2007 - 01:41
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If they truly wanted to combat this sort of thing they would change the maximum volume output by adjusting it at the hardware level. This is just another one of those, 'look at what we can do' features - nothing more.


Have to agree with that, waste of time this new technology, just limit the sound output to 70 decibels if that's the safe level.
(5 replies) #15 Ji@nBing on 24 Dec 2007 - 01:53
If they do end up doing this and you can't turn it off, I'll never buy another iPod. I like my music loud. I know I'm damaging my ears, but that's my choice.
#15.1 yudi_lks on 24 Dec 2007 - 02:38
Bookmark this page, continue to listen to the music irresponsibly, open your bookmark 15 years from now.. I wonder whether you'll regret saying this or not...

It's like "I know I'm producing so much CO2 gas such that it changes the Earth's climate, but that's my choice..." This is very irresponsible especially for the future generation... I wonder what will our grandchildren think in 50 years time from now... "Why didn't they do something about it??" What a pity...
#15.2 Ji@nBing on 24 Dec 2007 - 03:38
Quote - (yudi_lks said @ #15.1)
Bookmark this page, continue to listen to the music irresponsibly, open your bookmark 15 years from now.. I wonder whether you'll regret saying this or not...

It's like "I know I'm producing so much CO2 gas such that it changes the Earth's climate, but that's my choice..." This is very irresponsible especially for the future generation... I wonder what will our grandchildren think in 50 years time from now... "Why didn't they do something about it??" What a pity...

Again, I know the consequences of my actions. I just happen to enjoy listening to loud music. My hearing already isn't all that great from all the metal concerts I used to go to as a teen at which I used no ear protection. I think it should be my choice. I don't think it should be the MP3 manufacturer's responsibility to be the hearing police.
#15.3 voidpharoh on 24 Dec 2007 - 04:49
Quote - (yudi_lks said @ #15.1)
Bookmark this page, continue to listen to the music irresponsibly, open your bookmark 15 years from now.. I wonder whether you'll regret saying this or not...

It's like "I know I'm producing so much CO2 gas such that it changes the Earth's climate, but that's my choice..." This is very irresponsible especially for the future generation... I wonder what will our grandchildren think in 50 years time from now... "Why didn't they do something about it??" What a pity...


It might be irresponsible, but in this situation he's only damaging his own hearing which isn't hurting the health of anybody besides himself. So in my opinion, it might be a bit irresponsible on his end but it's his choice to damage his own health.
#15.4 evo_spook on 24 Dec 2007 - 12:45
Quote - (voidpharoh said @ #15.3)
Quote - (yudi_lks said @ #15.1)
Bookmark this page, continue to listen to the music irresponsibly, open your bookmark 15 years from now.. I wonder whether you'll regret saying this or not...

It's like "I know I'm producing so much CO2 gas such that it changes the Earth's climate, but that's my choice..." This is very irresponsible especially for the future generation... I wonder what will our grandchildren think in 50 years time from now... "Why didn't they do something about it??" What a pity...


It might be irresponsible, but in this situation he's only damaging his own hearing which isn't hurting the health of anybody besides himself. So in my opinion, it might be a bit irresponsible on his end but it's his choice to damage his own health.


Yeah, but there is other people, (even if warned on the packet) will in the future sue
#15.5 +DrCheese on 24 Dec 2007 - 14:23
ahh the joys of tinnitus....
#16 este on 24 Dec 2007 - 02:32
This is a bad idea. Who cares how loud someone else is listenting to their music? Let the people decide if they'd like to be able to hear properly or not
#17 Slacker on 24 Dec 2007 - 03:19
I don't believe that the iPod is the first portable music device that could potentially damage hearing. I don't understand why this is an issue now. Hasn't portable music been available for decades now? I remember as a child hearing about problems with playing music too loud, why is this something new now?
(1 reply) #18 bibutteryboy on 24 Dec 2007 - 03:23
Quote -
It's like "I know I'm producing so much CO2 gas such that it changes the Earth's climate, but that's my choice..." This is very irresponsible especially for the future generation... I wonder what will our grandchildren think in 50 years time from now... "Why didn't they do something about it??" What a pity...


get off your high horse for goodness sake.
What do you say about your parents who were young 50 years ago? That they were really ignorant **sholes?
#18.1 kezzzs on 24 Dec 2007 - 14:01


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(2 replies) #19 necrosis on 24 Dec 2007 - 04:09
This isnt new. Don't iPod's in France or something have a limit on how loud they can go?
#19.1 necrosis on 24 Dec 2007 - 04:53
I read it. Please enlighten me as to why my post makes me "ignorant" and a "fool" when I distinctly rember iPod's having their volume limited in some European country.
#19.2 PureLegend on 24 Dec 2007 - 10:59
necrosis, this system adapts the volume based on how long you've been listening to the song for. I'm pretty sure all iPods have what you describe, even on my sister's nano where you can alter the maximum possible volume in the settings
#20 Shadrack on 24 Dec 2007 - 04:18
Different head phones may require different sound volumes. This patent is stupid. Surely a disclaimer would be sufficient enough to shield Apple from law suits. If Apple implements this, and it isn't a feature that can be turned off, then I'm afraid I'm going to have to go with the non-restrictive competition.
(1 reply) #21 GEIST on 24 Dec 2007 - 04:24
Cool. I hope future iPods will also wipe my ass, clean my glasses and brush my teeth.
#21.1 admf on 24 Dec 2007 - 06:05
Quote - (GEIST said @ #21)
Cool. I hope future iPods will also wipe my ass, clean my glasses and brush my teeth.


First comment my eyes hit, and I honestly laughed out loud Still chuckling..
#22 SoulEata on 24 Dec 2007 - 05:12
"Listening to music non-stop has never been easier since the iPod came along."

You sound like a whore for Apple. Why are you writing for Neowin?
#23 bolix on 24 Dec 2007 - 06:26
This is pretty sure a option which can be disabled. There are multiple cases when this is not needed, like when an iPod being switched in between friends or family, or when being used on a stereo, just to name a few.
(2 replies) #24 Garry on 24 Dec 2007 - 11:11
This article is complete rubbish - Apple don't announce new products, features or innovations ahead of their release. The whole thing is based on a patent application which, like most Apple patents, may never see it's way into a product.

Also, to the person who mentioned iPods in France, yes their maximum output is firmware limited below that of the maximum output of American iPods. Unfortunately, the limit is also applied to other European iPods.
#24.1 theyarecomingforyou on 24 Dec 2007 - 13:09
The level of European iPods is perfectly adequate - anything more can be damaging to the user. I've seen loads of people with earbuds on their iPods and they're so loud that other people can hear them. I think people need to be protected from themselves.
#24.2 +DrCheese on 24 Dec 2007 - 14:25
I have a European ipod and I've no idea really why you'd want it to go above the 100db set limit. Its already ULTRA loud at that point. If you have an ultra quiet MP3, normalise it before copying it over.
#25 jasondefaoite on 24 Dec 2007 - 13:51
So Macworld '08 .... Jobs on stage introducing ...

The iNanny
#26 kezzzs on 24 Dec 2007 - 14:04
What's next? Rubber knives?
#27 Galley on 24 Dec 2007 - 14:45
"If it's too loud, you're too old!"
#28 BBinder on 24 Dec 2007 - 14:54
ummm doesnt this technology already exist cant see how apple could get a patent for it

some programs have this built in for microphone recording levels
(1 reply) #29 darkpuma on 24 Dec 2007 - 15:38
would this not be completely useless/annoying, if you were trying to play the ipod through big speakers? ie. through a deck ->car speakers, or if you plugged it up to your amp in your home theatre or whatever? Good job apple. learn2life
#29.1 Xilo on 24 Dec 2007 - 23:50
Any decent set of car speakers, home theater systems, stereos, etc already have their own set of volume control. So it doesn't really matter. learn2life

I honestly think this is a good thing. When it's to the point where you can hear other people's music blaring while they're wearing earphones/headphones, it's way too damn loud. Earphones/headphones are made for portability, and to keep the sound to yourself. They are NOT so everyone walking by can hear your dumb crap.

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(1 reply) #30 p1p3 on 25 Dec 2007 - 01:55
If you are listening to your crap ipod earbuds that came with your ipod sure...
But if you like me have some real headphones like beyerdynamics, sennheiser, akg, grado or whatever then you don't need this.
Good luck trying to drive my headphones with an ipod. I had to invest in a dedicated headphone amp just to be able to listen at normal levels...
I say put a good ad converter and a good amplifier in the ipod and let the consumer choose their listening level. And to stop the lawsuits stop bundling the crap earbuds and let everyone buy them separate. That way they cant blame the ipod...
#30.1 BilliShere on 25 Dec 2007 - 02:02
maybe apple can include better headphones with their ipods... they are already overpricing everything. why be such cheap b#$trds and include crap headphones....?
#31 BilliShere on 25 Dec 2007 - 02:00
i don't see why this cant be attempted in a new firmware for the ipods currently out in the market. WHY APPLE WHY? I JUST BOUGHT THE NEW IPOD!! god i hate this. i really really want this feature. but not by spending extra $$$$!!!! that volume limit thing just doesn't cut it man...it just doesn't. -->waiting for ipod linux or rockbox to work on the current ipod nanos.....hopefully they will incorporate some feature like this.

and if apple is not gonna incorporate the feature into old ipods....then go ahead and make another one...but while you are at it improve the equalizer settings... i wanna be able to manipulate the setting precisely...no...no presets. and please apple dont go whining around how your ipods do not have enough processing capability for a manual equalizer setting feature.
#32 Licenturion on 26 Dec 2007 - 08:49
European people can use the program GOPOD to disable the volume limits.
It's a great program

I'm sure Apple won't go through with it or I will buy an MP3 player from another company.
#33 Persephone on 27 Dec 2007 - 01:04
I think there should be a subtle but obvious warning signal so that you know when you should turn the volume down, if you want to. It shouldn't be forced upon you and I certainly won't be buying crap like that.

The headphones that came with my Shuffle are an insult. I'd rather have paid £2 less for the thing.
#34 bibutteryboy on 27 Dec 2007 - 12:36
Quote -
So Macworld '08 .... Jobs on stage introducing ...

The iNanny


or the ibigbrother

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