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Direct X 10.1 in Vista SP1 requires new hardware

Steven Parker   on 14 January 2008 - 14:49 · 38 comments & 24840 views

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Vista Service Pack 1 comes with an important update for gamers - DirectX 10.1. The catch? You need brand new hardware to support it, and NVIDIA enthusiasts are left totally out in the cold.

One of the benefit Windows Vista brought to the gaming table was the next version of DirectX – version 10. With the potential improvements to 3D gaming potentially outweighing the anticipated performance drop in running games on a more resource-hungry operating system, most hardcore gamers waited until ATI and NVIDIA released their DirectX 10-capable GPUs before taking the plunge and upgrading to Vista.

To clarify, neither NVIDIA’s GeForce 8 series nor ATI’s Radeon HD 2x series of GPUs support DirectX 10.1. ATI’s new products – the Radeon 3870 and 3850 – do support DirectX 10.1, but NVIDIA apparently has no plans to release a DirectX 10.1-capable GPU.

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#1 jwjw1 on 14 Jan 2008 - 14:57
lol....all then 'got to have it' NOW Direct 10 Cards...might not even be able to take advantage of the 10.1..but don't worry...you'll still have your backward compatible 10.

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(2 replies) #2 Trauma on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:00
This has been known since a long time and both ATI and nVidia said it won't matter because dx10.1 does not bring anything new, it merely makes with dx10 volunateraly features mandatory.
#2.1 Thrawn on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:27
+1 This article on apcmag is baseless.

Microsoft has said that DX10.1 is only minorly different from DX10, and thar there will be little benefit in buying new hardware for it.
#2.2 WICKO on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:57
Quote - (Thrawn said @ #2.1)
+1 This article on apcmag is baseless.

Microsoft has said that DX10.1 is only minorly different from DX10, and thar there will be little benefit in buying new hardware for it.


Not only that, but this is old news. Besides, DX10 is hardly used ATM anyway, why worry about a slight update? There's absolutely 0 chance devs will require 10.1 hardware any time soon, unless for research/recreational purposes, or they don't want their software to sell very well.
(2 replies) #3 EL1TE on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:01
Wrong title (), there's no need to have new hardware, in fact, since there will be more stability maybe it can run better on older hardware.
#3.1 WICKO on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:59
Exactly, even Aero strictly uses DX9 (I believe). Title is misleading..
#3.2 Jugalator on 14 Jan 2008 - 17:02
#4 Neo-Lenin on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:02
huh? I smell a fish in this article! Why would MS make SP1 have DX10.1 that is incompatible with some cards out there, such as NVidia, knowing full well what the public outcry was when Vista was released... especially all those computers sold with Vista that include NVidia cards... I doubt MS would make SP1 to be incompatible with well over 50% off the PC's out there... unless there is an ATI & MS conspiracy.
#5 vetneufuse on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:03
oh good freaking greif whats up with the misleading titles with vista anymore? You know someone is going to read that and think oh great I need a new PC to get SP1... (that isn't a tech person)...
(1 reply) #6 +Skwerl on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:04
This is an absolutely ridiculous article, and it typifies the anti-Vista BS that's flying around. Obviously there are a lot of people talking about things of which they know nothing. This is a very minor upgrade. No one will notice- in fact, most developers don't even care about this update. The article's author is either an idiot or intentionally trying to stir **** up.
#6.1 Neoauld on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:09
Quote - (Skwerl said @ #6)
This is an absolutely ridiculous article, and it typifies the anti-Vista BS that's flying around. Obviously there are a lot of people talking about things of which they know nothing. This is a very minor upgrade. No one will notice- in fact, most developers don't even care about this update. The article's author is either an idiot or intentionally trying to stir **** up.


i agree
dumbest article post in several days!
#7 BaltoWolf on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:05
Hmm.. Sounds like this could potentially give an advantage to AMD/ATI as some enthusiasts will want to get cards supporting the latest thing, DX10.1.
Then again, other enthusiasts will focus on best performance in reality, not just what's on paper. Should be an interesting year in video cards if Nvidia is not going to add new support until DX11.
I predict plenty of new nvidia vs ati debates to be repeated ad nauseam.
(1 reply) #8 Islander on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:12
It's been very long since I have last read such an incredibly pathetic article. The guy who wrote that should rather be garbage collector (well paid!) , because as author he's got no future.

Vista SP1 works perfectly with every hardware that also supports Vista pre-SP. No need for new hardware. No need to throw your 8800GT away (if you still want to so, consider giving it to me instead), it will keep rocking. Oh, and first Dx11-Games are expect not before mid 2009, so even if you have a Dx10.1-card, it's for nothing right now. Oh (again), and nVidia skipping Dx10.1 is just rumors, nothing confirmed. Altough since Dx11-cards will be able to render Dx10.1-Games, I don't mind at all. Maybe that will be the surprise for this summer.

Edit: Why do all the appear when I edit this?

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#8.1 +GreyWolfSC on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:42
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Edit: Why do all the appear when I edit this?


If you mean the slashes, they go away after you refresh. A bug, I guess.
#9 +GreyWolfSC on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:12
I thought DirectX 10.1 was old news by now, but you gotta love the ATI plug at the end of the article... Good ol' APC.

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So gamers have a difficult choice to make – go with NVIDIA and be restricted to DirectX 10, or travel the ATI path and get enhanced gaming visuals.


Horse hockey... My 8600 GT will still work just fine.
#10 JaLooNz on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:16
The "NEED" makes this article a BS one. Vista SP1 definitely does not need new hardware to run, only if people wants DX10.1. Even then the article is still wrong, since the Radeon 38x0 supports DX10.1 (so brand new hardware is untrue, or can apply to almost everybody).
#11 yardman on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:19
I smell bullsh!t...this article is full of FUD...
#12 JamesWeb on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:26
Umm, oldest news evar? You'll need a DX10.1 card to take advantage of some of the minor updates they've made. Far from the end of the world if you're stuck with a DX10.
#13 phiberoptik on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:28
Did Softpedia buy out Neowin or something...
#14 rdmiller on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:37
Easy guys. It's Monday morning. Not a lot of real news yet.
(3 replies) #15 Neobond on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:43
Edited title and added the bit that really matters:

Neither NVIDIA’s GeForce 8 series nor ATI’s Radeon HD 2x series of GPUs support DirectX 10.1. ATI’s new products – the Radeon 3870 and 3850 – do support DirectX 10.1, but NVIDIA apparently has no plans to release a DirectX 10.1-capable GPU.

Hopefully those that bother to read the full article and not just sweep over it and fail to look at the source site will understand why this was posted now.

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#15.1 vetSlimy on 14 Jan 2008 - 15:45
Good work Steve, much better title. APC Mag should learn something from this (and people should read past the damn title).
#15.2 Jugalator on 14 Jan 2008 - 17:03
IMO, this story shouldn't even be on Neowin.

See also your earlier story on this: http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=42004
#15.3 vetSlimy on 14 Jan 2008 - 17:11
Quote - (Jugalator said @ #15.2)
IMO, this story shouldn't even be on Neowin.

See also your earlier story on this: http://www.neowin.net/index.php?act=view&id=42004

Yeah welll, it all comes down to what Steve wants to post. It's his site after all.
(1 reply) #16 OblivionStalker on 14 Jan 2008 - 16:13
This has been known since the start of the development of DX10.1. And the title "Vista SP1 needs new hardware" tells us all, that the poster is antivista fan.
#16.1 Neobond on 14 Jan 2008 - 16:18
Please quote the full title "Direct X 10.1 in Vista SP1 requires new hardware"
#17 7Dash8 on 14 Jan 2008 - 16:18
Tremendous piece of FUD right here. I vote Steven Parker Neowin Anti-Vista fanboy #1.

The reality is this: Vista SP1 comes out, it has DX10.1, it doesn't make a single lick 'o difference because even the latest games barely use DX10 much less DX10.1. Practical impact on users: zero. Amount of traffic and FUD generated by misleading sensationalist articles like this: a lot.
#18 +Antaris on 14 Jan 2008 - 16:19
Didn't we hear about this ages ago, and didn't hardware vendors say "Nah, it's not really anything which warrants a new revision of hardware..."
#19 +Kushan on 14 Jan 2008 - 16:57
I'm beginning to think that neowin seriously needs some community moderation of the articles posted on the front page.
#20 Foub on 14 Jan 2008 - 17:34
Requires new hardware???? Duh.
#21 +Garnett on 14 Jan 2008 - 18:36
I think we mostly heard about this when 3DMark Vantage (3DMark 0 has a new DX10.1 test, so nVidia will be out of that part of the test. But with the already superior performance over the HD3870 shouldn't really make a difference.

I believe nVidia said there's no point in making something for DX10.1 as its not much different at all. nVidia don't plan on releasing anything until 11.

I wonder how much ATI payed 3DMark to produce that 10.1 test and not 10. =/

David.
#22 hagjohn on 14 Jan 2008 - 19:47
old news. Very little impact other than waiting for 10.1 cards or just not caring about it.
(3 replies) #23 DjmUK on 14 Jan 2008 - 20:10
This is one of the reasons why I chose the HD 3870 o/
#23.1 +olavinto on 14 Jan 2008 - 21:03
Quote - (DjmUK said @ #23)
This is one of the reasons why I chose the HD 3870 o/

Same here although I've been a long time ATI user. For years actually.

Also I don't really get what is wrong with the title, it clearly says that "DirectX 10.1 in Vista SP1 requires new hardware". And version 10.1 requires new hardware. But to use Vista SP1 people doesn't need new hardware. Plain and simple for me at least...
#23.2 DjmUK on 14 Jan 2008 - 21:20
Agreed - a very unclear title.
#23.3 +Raa on 14 Jan 2008 - 23:08
Well its your loss, after all.
I'm happy with my faster and better performing nVidia card. Cheaper too
#24 caguy24 on 15 Jan 2008 - 15:27
"but NVIDIA apparently has no plans to release a DirectX 10.1-capable GPU."

Who the hell wrote this crap?
#25 Neo Razgriz on 15 Jan 2008 - 23:47
Lucky for me I plan to get two ATI HD3870's and overclock them. Can't wait to see what Crysis looks like then!!

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