Apple keen to push Safari 3.1 on Windows users.
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#1 Posted by PureLegend on 22 Mar 2008 - 11:14
- I'd use Safari if it weren't for the fact that it looks out of place compared to, say, iTunes. C'mon Apple, where's your much loved Unified interface?
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#1.1 Posted by PatrynXX on 22 Mar 2008 - 13:36
- Less usable than Opera. And it's been rather hard to find a mouse gestures plugin. And the backwards button on my mouse doesn't seem to work in Safari. So it's basically useless. I leave it on there mostly as a bit of a test item. When one has 300 gb to spare, why not.
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#1.2 Posted by hairbautt on 23 Mar 2008 - 15:05
- (PureLegend said @ #1)I'd use Safari if it weren't for the fact that it looks out of place compared to, say, iTunes. C'mon Apple, where's your much loved Unified interface?Exactly! If they could just make it skinable so it's not so mismatched with Windows' theme.
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#2 Posted by +Beastage on 22 Mar 2008 - 12:16
- I wonder when people will start notice that even if safari is your first apple software on the windows pc it force installs the apple update software regardless to what ever you choose during safari installation
Pay attention, when you install Safari on windwos and uncheck the option to install apple update software the installtion will install the software none the less! -
#2.1 Posted by Galley on 22 Mar 2008 - 12:31
- Are you sure? I've got Safari and nothing else by Apple installed on my work PC.
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#2.2 Posted by +Beastage on 22 Mar 2008 - 12:35
- (Galley said @ #2.1)Are you sure? I've got Safari and nothing else by Apple installed on my work PC.
I am sure although I only tested it on my main PC with vista utlimate on it, everytime I install safari 3 (since beta days) I always uncheck all the optional software and each time I find that there is apple software update installed and running on my PC
Look in windows program uninstall options in Programs and Features (if its Vista) or Add/Remove Programs (XP) at the control panel -
#2.3 Posted by TRC on 22 Mar 2008 - 13:21
- It's true, I noticed this when installing QuickTime once. I definitely unchecked the Apple Update thing but it installed it anyway.
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#2.4 Posted by ziadoz on 22 Mar 2008 - 13:22
- I've experienced this too when installing Safari. Regardless of whether or not you select it the Apple Software Updater it still gets installed. I only bother with Safari on Windows because I'm a web developer, but I don't trust Apples software installers at all.
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#2.5 Posted by n_K on 22 Mar 2008 - 15:39
- (ziadoz said @ #2.4)I'm a web developer, but I don't trust Apple
software installersat all.
Corrected.
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#3 Posted by TSThomas on 22 Mar 2008 - 12:18
- Course it's not just Safari is it, it's iTunes as well - if you've only Quicktime installed it recommends you upgrade to the new version of iTunes...
Apple Software Update should stick to what it says on the tin; offering updates for installed software, not forcing you to install software that you don't have in the first place in order to get the upgrade you really want. It'd be like Firefox Auto-Update forcing you to install Thunderbird in order to update Firefox.
Perhaps Ad-aware, Spybot, etc. ought flag Apple Software Update as malware until Apple ceases this behaviour. -
#3.1 Posted by Odom on 22 Mar 2008 - 12:29
- I have only Quicktime installed, so I can watch movie trailers. Doesn't stop Apple to bother me every week with install requests for Itunes, and now for Safari as well. Think I'll just uninstall Quicktime again and re-install without the updating option.
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#3.2 Posted by Angel Blue01 on 22 Mar 2008 - 12:30
- (Odom said @ #3.1)I have only Quicktime installed, so I can watch movie trailers. Doesn't stop Apple to bother me every week with install requests for Itunes, and now for Safari as well. Think I'll just uninstall Quicktime again and re-install without the updating option.
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#3.3 Posted by TRC on 22 Mar 2008 - 13:22
- (Angel Blue01 said @ #3.2)(Odom said @ #3.1)I have only Quicktime installed, so I can watch movie trailers. Doesn't stop Apple to bother me every week with install requests for Itunes, and now for Safari as well. Think I'll just uninstall Quicktime again and re-install without the updating option.
You can turn it off
Think so? Good luck with that.
Choosing to not install the Updater doesn't work either, it installs it no matter what you say.
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#4 Posted by Angel Blue01 on 22 Mar 2008 - 12:29
- I'm glad I don't use itunes
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#5 Posted by Ronnie Sunde on 22 Mar 2008 - 12:31
- removed, see here... all I need to live...
I stopped installing quicktime when the stupid annoying update bitch kept nagging me...
Last edited by Joel on 22 Mar 2008 - 13:09
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#6 Posted by sjms on 22 Mar 2008 - 13:14
- this is yet another way for apple to bolster their rather myopic look at the world. in a few months mr jobs will stand up at the podium and proclaim yet another success in that safari is growing in user base. this of course will be leaving out the fact that its growth is due to a "push" method on apples part to get it on windows machines. the self propelled PR machine never stops at apple.
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#7 Posted by ady199 on 22 Mar 2008 - 13:17
- Never used Safari before - just installed this version on Vista and it flies - Love it!
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#8 Posted by RPDL on 22 Mar 2008 - 13:42
- I've never been in on these format wars. All I want is a browser that lets me see webpages, IE does that perfectly without any inconveniences whatsoever, so I might as well stick with it.
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#8.1 Posted by cyberdrone2000 on 22 Mar 2008 - 19:29
- Inconvenience? IE? Nah!
Unless you count:- Unintuitive, disgustingly designed interface.
- Slow-as molasses page rendering.
- A lack of extensions, such as adblock or gestures.
- ActiveX, the attack vector for 80% of spyware programs.
- Every search engine and web portal in existence pushing their sh***y toolbar or search helper on you.
- Poor adherence to standards, guaranteeing NO interoperability for years to come.
- Microsoft's slow update cycle, leaving vulnerabilities in the wild for years at a time.
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#8.2 Posted by Joshie on 23 Mar 2008 - 02:15
- (cyberdrone2000 said @ #8.1)Inconvenience? IE? Nah!
Unless you count:- Unintuitive, disgustingly designed interface.
- Slow-as molasses page rendering.
- A lack of extensions, such as adblock or gestures.
- ActiveX, the attack vector for 80% of spyware programs.
- Every search engine and web portal in existence pushing their sh***y toolbar or search helper on you.
- Poor adherence to standards, guaranteeing NO interoperability for years to come.
- Microsoft's slow update cycle, leaving vulnerabilities in the wild for years at a time.
Granted, Microsoft's trying to improve... I give them some marks for effort.
I'm gonna take a stand as one of the many people who enjoys the updated IE interface. I find layouts like Firefox's bland and uninspired afterwards, much like opening NCSA Mosaic would make you feel in the IE4-6 days. I find IE7's bars fluid and--believe it or not--intuitive, whatever that may say about my senses.
I'm not quite sure, but I think there were a lot of complaints about the stop/reload buttons not being right next to the back/forward buttons? That has nothing to do with keeping it intuitive, that's just about what people are used to. It would be very, very...extraordinarily rare to push back/forward and need to immediately push stop/reload afterwards, or vice versa. Once your mouse hand learns where the buttons are, you never think twice about it again.
Honestly, complaining about the layout just makes people sound like a bunch of old farts whimpering about how things used to be and the evils of change. -
#8.3 Posted by C_Guy on 25 Mar 2008 - 15:05
- * Unintuitive, disgustingly designed interface.
And yet it's still more appealing than FireFox or Safari? Wow, you sure are picky.
* Slow-as molasses page rendering.
Also, the sky is green now. Yes, green.
* A lack of extensions, such as adblock or gestures.
I guess the IE experience is good enough on it's own to not need this extra crap. Sorry that your browser isn't.
* ActiveX, the attack vector for 80% of spyware programs.
Stop giving the talking moose your credit card number or downloading things you shouldn't be and you'll be fine.
* Every search engine and web portal in existence pushing their sh***y toolbar or search helper on you.
As opposed to Apple pushing Safari on iTunes users or Java pushing OpenOffice on you? Take 2 seconds and click "No" when you are asked if you want it. It's really that simple. Really. Next time, READ a software setup screen, don't just click 'Next' through everything and assume you know what you're doing.
* Poor adherence to standards, guaranteeing NO interoperability for years to come.
Another statement that makes no sense. What is IE not interoperable with? Get back to me if you find something.
* Microsoft's slow update cycle, leaving vulnerabilities in the wild for years at a time.
Weekly updates? That's so much worse than Mozilla's "when we get around to it" schedule for sure.
Sounds like someone needs to try IE before crapping all over it -
#8.4 Posted by waxman830 on 25 Mar 2008 - 23:51
- (C_Guy said @ #8.3)* Unintuitive, disgustingly designed interface.
And yet it's still more appealing than FireFox or Safari? Wow, you sure are picky.
* Slow-as molasses page rendering.
Also, the sky is green now. Yes, green.
* A lack of extensions, such as adblock or gestures.
I guess the IE experience is good enough on it's own to not need this extra crap. Sorry that your browser isn't.
* ActiveX, the attack vector for 80% of spyware programs.
Stop giving the talking moose your credit card number or downloading things you shouldn't be and you'll be fine.
* Every search engine and web portal in existence pushing their sh***y toolbar or search helper on you.
As opposed to Apple pushing Safari on iTunes users or Java pushing OpenOffice on you? Take 2 seconds and click "No" when you are asked if you want it. It's really that simple. Really. Next time, READ a software setup screen, don't just click 'Next' through everything and assume you know what you're doing.
* Poor adherence to standards, guaranteeing NO interoperability for years to come.
Another statement that makes no sense. What is IE not interoperable with? Get back to me if you find something.
* Microsoft's slow update cycle, leaving vulnerabilities in the wild for years at a time.
Weekly updates? That's so much worse than Mozilla's "when we get around to it" schedule for sure.
Sounds like someone needs to try IE before crapping all over it
Sorry C_Guy but he is right on every count, you just got your trashed worked. IE blows all day long. FF kicks all kinds of ass. Ad-block and all the other ad-ons that IE doesn't have just make it that much better. I will never go back to that pig IE. Rock on!!! -
#8.5 Posted by whocares78 on 26 Mar 2008 - 09:02
- (waxman830 said @ #8.4)Sorry C_Guy but he is right on every count, you just got your trashed worked. IE blows all day long. FF kicks all kinds of ass. Ad-block and all the other ad-ons that IE doesn't have just make it that much better. I will never go back to that pig IE. Rock on!!!
actually i think C guy is a lot more correct in his statements than the other guy, especially this one "Microsoft's slow update cycle, leaving vulnerabilities in the wild for years at a time." he has no idea what he is talkign about as MS actually is considered one of the best at fixing flaws..if you or he can name one flaw that MS hass known about and left for 'years then please let us all know' and i hope he isnt comparing it to any of the other browsers becasue they are worse in my opinion
i actually dont mind IE7
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#9 Posted by MioTheGreat on 22 Mar 2008 - 13:47
- Pretty disgusting tactics, Apple.
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#9.1 Posted by bobbba on 22 Mar 2008 - 17:54
- LMAO, malware, how exactly...
I don't agree with it apple doing it either but these malware/spyware comments are way OTT. Was it malware or spyware when MS included a browser and a media player in windows? -
#9.2 Posted by Ledgem on 22 Mar 2008 - 19:28
- (MioTheGreat said @ #9)Pretty disgusting tactics, Apple.
This makes the Apple Software Updater borderline malware in my book.
Yeah, and damn Microsoft for putting out WGA and Internet Explorer 7 ("but it's an update to IE 6!" ) through Windows Update, too.
Get real. It isn't new for companies to pull stunts like this - Apple is far from the first. Have you been updating your java recently and seen how now you can get "OpenOffice for free, click here!"? I don't condone any of this activity - if the company wants to offer advertisements for its other products through its update services that's somewhat OK, but don't bundle new software in the guise of software updates. That's deceptive. -
#9.3 Posted by MioTheGreat on 23 Mar 2008 - 00:24
- (Ledgem said @ #9.2)Yeah, and damn Microsoft for putting out WGA and Internet Explorer 7 ("but it's an update to IE 6!" ) through Windows Update, too.
Get real. It isn't new for companies to pull stunts like this - Apple is far from the first. Have you been updating your java recently and seen how now you can get "OpenOffice for free, click here!"? I don't condone any of this activity - if the company wants to offer advertisements for its other products through its update services that's somewhat OK, but don't bundle new software in the guise of software updates. That's deceptive.
When I installed Windows, and turned on Windows Update, I fully expected for Microsoft to push updates to the operating system, such as WGA (I don't like it any more than anyone else, but it's hard not to classify it as an update to the licensing components of Windows), and because IE6 is already something in the OS, and IE7 actually is an update for it, IE7 (And a pretty important one, given the terrible security impact of keeping 6 installed, even if you don't use it).
However, if you install something like iTunes or Quicktime, it's not that software's job to start forcing other completely unrelated crap down your throat. -
#9.4 Posted by Joshie on 23 Mar 2008 - 02:18
- Had a comment, went completely ADD and lost my train of thought. Shiny objects...everywhere...
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#9.5 Posted by whocares78 on 26 Mar 2008 - 09:04
- (bobbba said @ #9.1)LMAO, malware, how exactly...
I don't agree with it apple doing it either but these malware/spyware comments are way OTT. Was it malware or spyware when MS included a browser and a media player in windows?
these comments are just stupid Apple does the same shipping a browser and media player with Apple OS as does every version of linux, and also i ask this if they did not ship a browser with the OS how the hell do you get to the web to download any browser at all??
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#10 Posted by +shihchiun on 22 Mar 2008 - 13:53
- Yeah... I ran an Apple update and Safari showed up. Should have paid more attention.
So I figured I'd use it... all I can say is that it's pretty fugly.
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#11 Posted by reaper1576 on 22 Mar 2008 - 13:57
- noticed this today wish i paid more attention when installing automaticly took over as defualt webbrowser when i selected it not to be. after this totaly removed itunes from my system and anything todo with it.
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#12 Posted by +Dakkaroth on 22 Mar 2008 - 14:17
- Damnit.. I just looked to see if it did install the bulls--- and yep, it's there. Could've sworn I unchecked that crap.
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#13 Posted by atari800 on 22 Mar 2008 - 15:24
- Safari cause a BSOD for me. Who is at fault here?
*Baaa-daaa-boooooom.....................tisssssssssssssssss
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#14 Posted by OblivionStalker on 22 Mar 2008 - 15:24
- To avoid this unfair, stupid and untrustworthy thing done by Apple:
If you want music organizer, search for a better program, get rid of iTunes.
If you want to watch quicktime movies, get Media Player Classic, it is better than QT player, it does not require installation.
And btw, expect a lawsuit against Apple for this.
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#15 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 22 Mar 2008 - 15:25
- Apple: RealNetworks with hardware.
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#16 Posted by Kushan on 22 Mar 2008 - 15:27
- If any other software company did this, it would be labelled as spyware, but Apple gets away with it...
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#16.1 Posted by +tunafish on 22 Mar 2008 - 15:47
- If MS did this there would be a law suit and loads of people moan, but it seems different with apple.
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#16.2 Posted by Cryton on 22 Mar 2008 - 16:46
- Yup, disgraceful behaviour from Apple.
Not so much "keen to push Safari" as "going to cram Safari down your throat whether you want it or not". If you use iTunes then of course it's natural you'll want to install a totally unrelated application when you update... oh no wait, it's not. And of course, since the way you update iTunes has given you strong 'memory-muscle' for what buttons to press, then having the "Install a totally unrelated app" pre-ticked is the best thing to do... oh no wait, it's not. (Well, it's the best thing to do for Apple I guess - it'll give Jobs some nice figures to quote in some months.)
Apple's getting more and more shady as time goes on. -
#16.3 Posted by +nezermundy on 22 Mar 2008 - 17:20
- (tunafish said @ #16.1)If MS did this there would be a law suit and loads of people moan, but it seems different with apple.
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#16.4 Posted by madkingsoup on 22 Mar 2008 - 17:43
- Three words: Dominant; Market; Position.
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#16.5 Posted by bobbba on 22 Mar 2008 - 17:51
- Software bundling is not new, how long has windows had a browser and a media player...
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#16.6 Posted by tntomek on 22 Mar 2008 - 18:11
- (bobbba said @ #16.5)Software bundling is not new, how long has windows had a browser and a media player...
Yeah right, like OSX doesn't bundle that crap? This is pushing software you dont already have. You know IE7 is still an optional update? Apple releases a new version of browser and immediately forces people to upgrade to it, good thing im not a paranoid admin who always let's things 'bake in' -
#16.7 Posted by Ledgem on 22 Mar 2008 - 19:49
- (tntomek said @ #16.6)Yeah right, like OSX doesn't bundle that crap? This is pushing software you dont already have. You know IE7 is still an optional update? Apple releases a new version of browser and immediately forces people to upgrade to it, good thing im not a paranoid admin who always let's things 'bake in'
OSX bundles it but in many cases you can pretty easily remove it. I expect them to become more Microsoft-like with regard to that in the near future, though.
As for forcing the Safari update, I don't know where you're getting that from. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but I think you're spreading FUD. -
#16.8 Posted by whocares78 on 26 Mar 2008 - 09:07
- (bobbba said @ #16.5)Software bundling is not new, how long has windows had a browser and a media player...
these type of comments are just stupid Apple does the same shipping a browser and media player with Apple OS as does every version of linux, and also i ask this if they did not ship a browser with the OS how the hell do you get to the web to download any browser at all??
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#17 Posted by GBerner on 22 Mar 2008 - 16:05
- Start > Control Panel > Add or Remove Programs > Apple Software Update > Remove > Shut up.
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#17.1 Posted by HoriZon-UK on 22 Mar 2008 - 17:36
- (GBerner said @ #17)Start > Control Panel > Add or Remove Programs > Apple Software Update > Remove > Shut up.
Thats fine in saying that and for me and you its ok, but for the less in the know about PC's which they are many a lot of them will see it as an update to something they already have thats is the problem here!
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#18 Posted by bobbba on 22 Mar 2008 - 17:50
- Yawn, why is this a big deal? How many packages out there try to get you to install other products? at least this is one pretty unobtrusive and is made by the same company unlike others:
sun java vm - google toolbar
deamon tolls - google toolbar
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#18.1 Posted by Shokus on 22 Mar 2008 - 18:13
- Ever wondered about the differences between INSTALL and UPDATE?
Tonnes of software push other softwares when installing. Few (since there is like at least one now?) actually does that when updating. -
#18.2 Posted by bobbba on 23 Mar 2008 - 06:33
- (Shokus said @ #18.1)Ever wondered about the differences between INSTALL and UPDATE?
Tonnes of software push other softwares when installing. Few (since there is like at least one now?) actually does that when updating.
I think that Sun offers Google Toolbar when the Java VM is being updated.
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#19 Posted by +NeoFyLe on 22 Mar 2008 - 18:41
- And this is news? Google and Yahoo do the same exact things. I am not an "Apple" devotee, or anything but let's call a spade a spade here. I don't own an ipod, iphone, or other Apple product. I do however like Safari, and think that OS X is one sexy OS.
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#19.1 Posted by toadeater on 22 Mar 2008 - 20:15
- (NeoFyLe said @ #19)And this is news? Google and Yahoo do the same exact things. I am not an "Apple" devotee, or anything but let's call a spade a spade here. I don't own an ipod, iphone, or other Apple product. I do however like Safari, and think that OS X is one sexy OS.
Google and Yahoo have secretly installed browsers on your operating system?
It's one thing to install a plugin, which is bad enough already, and another to install an entire web browser that takes over your operating system's handling of hyperlinks.
Anyway, the winner is Firefox. It's a fact.
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#19.2 Posted by +hotdog963al on 22 Mar 2008 - 22:22
- [quote=toadeater said,#19.1][quote=NeoFyLe said,#19]
Anyway, the winner is Firefox. It's a fact.
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#19.3 Posted by +Beastage on 22 Mar 2008 - 23:17
- [quote=hotdog963al said,#19.2][quote=toadeater said,#19.1][quote=NeoFyLe said,#19]
Anyway, the winner is Firefox. It's a fact.
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I fail to see Safari 3.1 on that chart.[/quote]
yea old chart but, Safari 3.1 score ~3500 on my system while latest FF3 prebeta5 scores ~2500, safari 3.1 with latest webkit scored ~2900 , then it ****ed the hell of me and got deleted -
#19.4 Posted by Cryton on 23 Mar 2008 - 00:04
- (toadeater said @ #19.1)Anyway, the winner is Firefox. It's a fact.
The SunSpider test is just one suite of javascript tests, and not necessarily indicative of what real web-pages do with Javascript. So while it's useful for indicating rough javascript engine performance between browsers (or different versions of the same browser), it's not really a "real world" test.
Also the speed of the Javascript Engine is only one aspect relating to the performance of a web-browser. There's other subsystems that will effect a browser's speed, like the parser speed, the layout/reflow speed, the rendering speed, speed of accessing the DOM, etc.
If one browser does particularly badly in the SunSpider test then I fully expect them to make their own test suite that will test the fastest bits of their Javascript Engine and not fare so well on other browsers. Then every browser will have a JS test that they excel at and everyone can say they are the fastest -
#19.5 Posted by Jugalator on 23 Mar 2008 - 00:19
- (toadeater said @ #19.1)Anyway, the winner is Firefox. It's a fact.
According to one online test. Sorry, I just dislike when people tag their statements with "it's a fact", like it's a world truth. Often, these bold claims later have to be eaten up by those spreading them. In this case, Safari 3.1 isn't even tested, and same goes for the latest already released Opera 9.50 builds.
But yes, Firefox 3.0 Beta 4 is performing very well indeed and Firefox 3.0 may well be the top browser according to the SunSpider test once released. That much can be said, at least. -
#19.6 Posted by RPDL on 23 Mar 2008 - 21:05
- (toadeater said @ #19.1)(NeoFyLe said @ #19)And this is news? Google and Yahoo do the same exact things. I am not an "Apple" devotee, or anything but let's call a spade a spade here. I don't own an ipod, iphone, or other Apple product. I do however like Safari, and think that OS X is one sexy OS.
Google and Yahoo have secretly installed browsers on your operating system?
It's one thing to install a plugin, which is bad enough already, and another to install an entire web browser that takes over your operating system's handling of hyperlinks.
Anyway, the winner is Firefox. It's a fact.
Oh wow, let's all base our decisions on a bunch of lines with numbers on them. Mind explaining to us what this graph means? -
#19.7 Posted by Azmodan on 24 Mar 2008 - 21:12
- (RPDL said @ #19.6)Oh wow, let's all base our decisions on a bunch of lines with numbers on them. Mind explaining to us what this graph means?
I see a bunch of ms on top, so it's like, how much ms the browser takes to complete the javascript requests. If my common sense doesn't fails me.
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#19.8 Posted by whocares78 on 26 Mar 2008 - 09:10
- (toadeater said @ #19.1)(NeoFyLe said @ #19)And this is news? Google and Yahoo do the same exact things. I am not an "Apple" devotee, or anything but let's call a spade a spade here. I don't own an ipod, iphone, or other Apple product. I do however like Safari, and think that OS X is one sexy OS.
Google and Yahoo have secretly installed browsers on your operating system?
It's one thing to install a plugin, which is bad enough already, and another to install an entire web browser that takes over your operating system's handling of hyperlinks.
Anyway, the winner is Firefox. It's a fact.
a winner at what, what the hell does this graph represent, speed to load java or something
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#20 Posted by leo221 on 22 Mar 2008 - 19:18
- 2 days ago, I tried safari 3.1 at work. it seems to be faster than ie or ff. because this news, I will not use safari. period.
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#21 Posted by LTD on 22 Mar 2008 - 21:18
- Disgraceful indeed.
LOL.
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#21.1 Posted by C_Guy on 25 Mar 2008 - 15:12
- LOL! Apple fans forgive Apple's sleazy tactics again, ha ha ha, that's SO funny.
Anyway...
Pushing software on iTunes customers can easily backfire. The only people that actually want to use Safari will already have a Mac or are web developers that work on (what else?) PC's.
Experienced Mac users, of course, upgrade their computers to FireFox.
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#22 Posted by +NeoFyLe on 22 Mar 2008 - 21:38
- Not digraced, He knew and I am sure many people from what I said is maybe not applicable to browsers, but the other "slickwear" they try and push on you. Yahoo, and google try to do this when you get one of those super whammo combo app installers these guys try to highjack your settings just as much as Apple has loaded Safari via some update app they were giving away. Other companies do it too wake up.
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#23 Posted by
neufuse on 22 Mar 2008 - 21:44
- So Apple is using their virtual iPod monopoly to push software on users? uh huh... if MS did this people be running to the DOJ to complain about it... and I know someone is gona say "thats different" well Apple has the majority share of iPod with iTunes... and they are using that position to push software... yeah they havent been declared an illegal monopoly... but its the same tatic that MS used!
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#23.1 Posted by MioTheGreat on 23 Mar 2008 - 00:28
- Exactly.
Microsoft uses their dominant OS position to push a browser, they get in huge trouble.
Apple does the same thing with their dominant media player position, and you get a few random blog posts and a front page article on neowin. -
#23.2 Posted by carmatic on 25 Mar 2008 - 02:37
- (MioTheGreat said @ #23.1)Exactly.
Microsoft uses their dominant OS position to push a browser, they get in huge trouble.
Apple does the same thing with their dominant media player position, and you get a few random blog posts and a front page article on neowin.
it cant be considered a monopoly if other companies can do and are doing the same thing! well not with something as big as a web browser yet , until now -
#23.3 Posted by C_Guy on 25 Mar 2008 - 15:13
- Darn it, where is the EU when you need them!!
Oh right, they are spending their stolen Microsoft dollars... Well, I'm sure this will all blow over before they even notice. -
#23.4 Posted by whocares78 on 26 Mar 2008 - 09:12
- (carmatic said @ #23.2)(MioTheGreat said @ #23.1)Exactly.
Microsoft uses their dominant OS position to push a browser, they get in huge trouble.
Apple does the same thing with their dominant media player position, and you get a few random blog posts and a front page article on neowin.
it cant be considered a monopoly if other companies can do and are doing the same thing! well not with something as big as a web browser yet , until now
do you know what the term monopoly means?? from your comment it appears not..
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#24 Posted by Mikeyx11 on 22 Mar 2008 - 22:21
- I think it's absolute ridiculous that Apple does this. They've been doing it through QuickTime update to install iTunes as well, and for the many of my clients who use QuickTime and leave their computers running over night, they were surprised to see iTunes on their desktop the next day... now having Safari install too? What a load of crap.
Apple seems to be abusing their influence. -
#24.1 Posted by DaViD_BRaNDoN on 23 Mar 2008 - 00:27
- (Mikeyx11 said @ #24)I think it's absolute ridiculous that Apple does this. They've been doing it through QuickTime update to install iTunes as well, and for the many of my clients who use QuickTime and leave their computers running over night, they were surprised to see iTunes on their desktop the next day... now having Safari install too? What a load of crap.
Apple seems to be abusing their influence.
Totally agree!
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#25 Posted by Enkazin on 23 Mar 2008 - 00:55
- Ironically enough, Im glad it did and does. Safari seems to me to be a very well rounded browser, and i like it alot more than either firefox or IE. It seems to load everything better, and the rendering engine is nice also. I would have never even known it was out for windows without it popping up in the update for itunes
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#25.1 Posted by OblivionStalker on 23 Mar 2008 - 01:14
- So you are happy that Apple have made this move?
Just like you are happy with Apple telling you what hardware to use, telling you that the competition is bad? -
#25.2 Posted by Enkazin on 23 Mar 2008 - 02:41
- (OblivionStalker said @ #25.1)So you are happy that Apple have made this move?
Just like you are happy with Apple telling you what hardware to use, telling you that the competition is bad?
why yes, yes I am. Im also happy with the US government telling me that the war in Iraq is good, the sky is blue, grass is green -
#25.3 Posted by LTD on 23 Mar 2008 - 07:03
- (OblivionStalker said @ #25.1)So you are happy that Apple have made this move?
Just like you are happy with Apple telling you what hardware to use, telling you that the competition is bad?
If the experience continues to be as good as it is now, I have no problem with Apple telling me how to do my computing, and on what. -
#25.4 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 23 Mar 2008 - 14:36
- (LTD said @ #25.3)(OblivionStalker said @ #25.1)So you are happy that Apple have made this move?
Just like you are happy with Apple telling you what hardware to use, telling you that the competition is bad?
If the experience continues to be as good as it is now, I have no problem with Apple telling me how to do my computing, and on what.
Then you need a psychiatrist. -
#25.5 Posted by C_Guy on 25 Mar 2008 - 15:26
- "I have no problem with Apple telling me how to do my computing, and on what."
Ahhh Steve Jobs' Reality Distortion Field hard at work.
Brand loyalty doesn't come much stronger than that. Basically, the corporation tells this customer what to do and he does it. Companies would kill for this sort of robotic loyalty. -
#25.6 Posted by whocares78 on 26 Mar 2008 - 09:15
- (LTD said @ #25.3)(OblivionStalker said @ #25.1)So you are happy that Apple have made this move?
Just like you are happy with Apple telling you what hardware to use, telling you that the competition is bad?
If the experience continues to be as good as it is now, I have no problem with Apple telling me how to do my computing, and on what.
hahah funny, if apple told you to jump off a cliff woudl you
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#26 Posted by sisiphus on 23 Mar 2008 - 01:34
- two years ago i decided never install again crapAPPLEware on my computers and glad i did that...quicktime and itunes add hundreds of registry entries , like a massive takeover...totally insane...and then they decided to push itunes with quicktime or vice-versa(i really donīt remember)...now itīs safari
Yeah... glad i took that decision
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#27 Posted by CarlosMiguel on 23 Mar 2008 - 02:17
- Apple is so desperate trying to get windows users. Sorry Apple you will rot before you can do that.
[EDIT] - To Apple: BTW the name of your browser (SAFARI) sucks. -
#27.1 Posted by LTD on 23 Mar 2008 - 07:01
- That's OK.
You'll join us when you're ready. You just haven't hit rock-bottom yet. But have faith, Windows will get you there eventually. -
#27.2 Posted by C_Guy on 25 Mar 2008 - 15:28
- Most Windows users have mastered the 2-button mouse so there's no reason to downgrade
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#27.3 Posted by whocares78 on 26 Mar 2008 - 09:23
- (LTD said @ #27.1)That's OK.
You'll join us when you're ready. You just haven't hit rock-bottom yet. But have faith, Windows will get you there eventually.
maye when the price of macs comes dows to the same as a PC, or apple lets you install mac os on a PC, i can run all the apps i want to on a mac, or hell freezes over, or a whole bunch of people escape from the mental assuyums, or i just loose my mind.
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The program is usually used for updating Apple software, and so getting new software with the deal wasn't something a lot of users expected. And users who don't do anything but the default, are basically going to be getting software they didn't plan to have.