Microsoft Taking Official Petitions to Keep XP Alive
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#1 Posted by Emon on 30 May 2008 - 01:18
- lame! .... let XP die .. its time to move on.
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#1.1 Posted by non.sequitur on 30 May 2008 - 01:20
- (Emon said @ #1)lame! .... let XP die .. its time to move on.
How about they retire Vista and we call it a day? Vista....YOU'RE DISMISSED. -
#1.2 Posted by portauthority on 30 May 2008 - 01:22
- It's time to retire XP. It's time to say good-bye. Besides Vista is rock solid, no need for XP
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#1.4 Posted by +Raa on 30 May 2008 - 01:33
- (portauthority said @ #1.2)It's time to retire XP. It's time to say good-bye. Besides Vista is rock solid, no need for XP
If that was true, why are so many people still having issues.
Even people that have just bought a new computer and printer. And don't blame the user, thats just a cop out.
XP NEEDS to be kept. -
#1.5 Posted by noPCtoday on 30 May 2008 - 01:46
- (Raa said @ #1.4)(portauthority said @ #1.2)It's time to retire XP. It's time to say good-bye. Besides Vista is rock solid, no need for XP
If that was true, why are so many people still having issues.
Even people that have just bought a new computer and printer. And don't blame the user, thats just a cop out.
XP NEEDS to be kept.
I assume you've never used vista before.
I switched to vista last summer and it worked great. All my games works fine, my web development tools and graphic design tools work great; my ipod converter, itunes, vlc player and open office work great. I havn't had a single issues with any drivers yet, (even wacom), and unless I need to do system changes or play battlefield 2, I rarely see UAC popups. If ever, my system breaks, I already had a complete PC backup, so that I do not have to reinstall every piece of softwares and profiles again, I'll simply reformat the whole computer and then restore it with a complete restore.
May I ask you kindly list some of the problems you've encountered with Vista?
Yes, XP is great, my old machine is still running that, but to be justice, Vista is a better system. -
#1.6 Posted by mezron on 30 May 2008 - 02:16
- I assume you've never used vista before.
I switched to vista last summer and it worked great. All my games works fine, my web development tools and graphic design tools work great; my ipod converter, itunes, vlc player and open office work great. I havn't had a single issues
Here's an incompatability. All versions of Quickbooks 2006 and prior. I know it's Quickbooks problem and not a Vista problem, but Accountants need to keep several years back worth of taxes for auditing reasons. This incompatability in Vista is a show stopper regardless of who's to blame. -
#1.7 Posted by Xilo on 30 May 2008 - 03:25
- (portauthority said @ #1.2)It's time to retire XP. It's time to say good-bye. Besides Vista is rock solid, no need for XP
Rock solid? I've worked on several people's computers that have had Vista installed and I have installed it on my own. It's complete garbage. -
#1.8 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 30 May 2008 - 03:50
- (Xilo said @ #1.7)(portauthority said @ #1.2)It's time to retire XP. It's time to say good-bye. Besides Vista is rock solid, no need for XP
Rock solid? I've worked on several people's computers that have had Vista installed and I have installed it on my own. It's complete garbage.
Can you give some examples as well? Without anything behind it, your statement just seems like flaming. -
#1.9 Posted by +warwagon on 30 May 2008 - 03:59
- (mezron said @ #1.6)I assume you've never used vista before.
I switched to vista last summer and it worked great. All my games works fine, my web development tools and graphic design tools work great; my ipod converter, itunes, vlc player and open office work great. I havn't had a single issues
Here's an incompatability. All versions of Quickbooks 2006 and prior. I know it's Quickbooks problem and not a Vista problem, but Accountants need to keep several years back worth of taxes for auditing reasons. This incompatability in Vista is a show stopper regardless of who's to blame.
Actually quickbooks 2006 runs great on Vista. It throws and error on 1 file during install, but other than that it works great. -
#1.11 Posted by MMaster23 on 30 May 2008 - 10:15
- (mezron said @ #1.6)I assume you've never used vista before.
I switched to vista last summer and it worked great. All my games works fine, my web development tools and graphic design tools work great; my ipod converter, itunes, vlc player and open office work great. I havn't had a single issues
Here's an incompatability. All versions of Quickbooks 2006 and prior. I know it's Quickbooks problem and not a Vista problem, but Accountants need to keep several years back worth of taxes for auditing reasons. This incompatability in Vista is a show stopper regardless of who's to blame.
Quickbook always breaks .. on every platform. The OSX version broke like 3 times upon upgrading the OS to latest version...
Qbalance just sucks and they can't write a descent program...
(Also I love the fact that everyone bashes Vista for incompatibility.. however ask any 10.5 user on Adobe CS3... It's not really the fault of the OS, it just vendors writing crappy software. Nearly all software and games run great on my Vista PC's.. I have one PC left in my home to upgrade to Vista and that's an simple office pc that does nothing other then RDP... so not really bothering with that as it mostly runs Windows 2003/2008 via RDP...) -
#1.12 Posted by The_Decryptor on 30 May 2008 - 11:20
- A lot of people have problems with Vista because they are stupid and blame their own problems on Vista.
In one thread a guy was saying vista sucked because it wouldn't let him save a file.
He typed in an invalid file name. -
#1.13 Posted by boho on 30 May 2008 - 11:23
- (noPCtoday said @ #1.5)May I ask you kindly list some of the problems you've encountered with Vista?
Yes, XP is great, my old machine is still running that, but to be justice, Vista is a better system.
I bought a new laptop, and I had no choice but to buy it with Vista (so I have paid for it, and am one of the 140000000 sales). The laptop now runs XP. I don't like Vista's bloat, over complication, silly questions, and the fact that they change so much around (unnecessarily). My main problem is, Vista doesn't suit the way I use a computer (it's a tool). With all the changes, currently I would rather make the jump to Linux than get used to Vista! -
#1.14 Posted by El Sid on 30 May 2008 - 12:43
- (boho said @ #1.13)I bought a new laptop, and I had no choice but to buy it with Vista (so I have paid for it, and am one of the 140000000 sales). The laptop now runs XP. I don't like Vista's bloat, over complication, silly questions, and the fact that they change so much around (unnecessarily). My main problem is, Vista doesn't suit the way I use a computer (it's a tool). With all the changes, currently I would rather make the jump to Linux than get used to Vista!
If you think Vista is complex, you'll go back to XP from Linux too.
The fact of the matter is that XP is 6 and a half years old, making it the longest living Windows OS to date. And kudos to Microsoft for making an OS with such longevity, but it's time has long since passed. -
#1.15 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 30 May 2008 - 13:42
- (boho said @ #1.13)(noPCtoday said @ #1.5)May I ask you kindly list some of the problems you've encountered with Vista?
Yes, XP is great, my old machine is still running that, but to be justice, Vista is a better system.
I bought a new laptop, and I had no choice but to buy it with Vista (so I have paid for it, and am one of the 140000000 sales). The laptop now runs XP. I don't like Vista's bloat, over complication, silly questions, and the fact that they change so much around (unnecessarily). My main problem is, Vista doesn't suit the way I use a computer (it's a tool). With all the changes, currently I would rather make the jump to Linux than get used to Vista!
What is this "bloat" you are talking about? And I found Vista to be way more intuitive than XP. Not that I expect an answer, you've already sniped this news post and probably won't return. -
#1.16 Posted by rpgfan on 30 May 2008 - 15:31
- (non.sequitur said @ #1.1)(Emon said @ #1)lame! .... let XP die .. its time to move on.
How about they retire Vista and we call it a day? Vista....YOU'RE DISMISSED.
C'mon! You can't even say it correctly!?
Vista.... You are the "weakest link." Goodbye!
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#1.17 Posted by unkle stu on 30 May 2008 - 16:30
- I've worked on several people's computers that have had XP installed.. must mean XP is complete garbage.
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#1.18 Posted by noPCtoday on 30 May 2008 - 19:52
- (unkle stu said @ #1.17)I've worked on several people's computers that have had XP installed.. must mean XP is complete garbage.
Sure you can do that with 2000 too. Nobody is saying XP is garbage, we just want to move on. -
#1.19 Posted by Captain555 on 31 May 2008 - 14:46
- (noPCtoday said @ #1.1
(unkle stu said @ #1.17)I've worked on several people's computers that have had XP installed.. must mean XP is complete garbage.
Sure you can do that with 2000 too. Nobody is saying XP is garbage, we just want to move on.
Then go ahead move on. Leave the other alone. Let them do their own thing.
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#2 Posted by ironsight2000 on 30 May 2008 - 01:22
- why dont we just move back to 95 as every time a new os comes out we dont want to move on remember XP and the stuff people said about that
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#3 Posted by sirgh0st on 30 May 2008 - 01:25
- I say f*ck it all to hell, why doesn't Microsoft support ALL there operating systems they have ever released, including ms dos 1.0 and ms basic.
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#3.1 Posted by ironsight2000 on 30 May 2008 - 01:29
- (sirgh0st said @ #3)I say f*ck it all to hell, why doesn't Microsoft support ALL there operating systems they have ever released, including ms dos 1.0 and ms basic.
if that was the case then we would never advance in technology -
#3.2 Posted by sirgh0st on 30 May 2008 - 01:39
- (ironsight2000 said @ #3.1)(sirgh0st said @ #3)I say f*ck it all to hell, why doesn't Microsoft support ALL there operating systems they have ever released, including ms dos 1.0 and ms basic.
if that was the case then we would never advance in technology
Exactly my point about all this "save xp" crap that is going on. -
#3.3 Posted by scaramonga on 30 May 2008 - 11:35
- (ironsight2000 said @ #3.1)(sirgh0st said @ #3)I say f*ck it all to hell, why doesn't Microsoft support ALL there operating systems they have ever released, including ms dos 1.0 and ms basic.
if that was the case then we would never advance in technology
We haven't...........we have Vista. -
#3.4 Posted by Captain555 on 31 May 2008 - 14:49
- (scaramonga said @ #3.3)(ironsight2000 said @ #3.1)
if that was the case then we would never advance in technology
We haven't...........we have Vista.
ROTFLMAO
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#4 Posted by
markjensen on 30 May 2008 - 01:29
- I don't see the point in this. Those who require XP can still buy it (buy several, if you anticipate the need for it!
. Vista isn't as awful as many make it out to be. My wife is quite satisfied with it on her new laptop. It doesn't fare as well on the low end PC we bought with Vista pre-installed by HP last year (only 512 MB RAM). But in another year, you won't even be able to find a "low end" PC for sale in retail outlets that can't run Vista well. And Microsoft will have continued to improve and refine Vista.
Call in, if you must, but XP isn't "dead" yet. Just aging. -
#4.1 Posted by +Raa on 30 May 2008 - 01:35
- But that's half the point isn't it. It doesnt need to die, theres every valid reason to keep it going.
Let's face it, its not going to be at Microsoft's great expense to keep XP alive and keep more customers happy. -
#4.2 Posted by sirgh0st on 30 May 2008 - 01:37
- And this is what everyone says after each and every windows release.
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#4.3 Posted by markjensen on 30 May 2008 - 02:06
- (Raa said @ #4.1)But that's half the point isn't it. It doesnt need to die, theres every valid reason to keep it going.
It's not dying. You can run XP on a PC for 30 years, if you so choose. No one is killing anything. It will just drop into the unmaintained category, like Win95 and such. -
#4.4 Posted by mezron on 30 May 2008 - 02:59
- (markjensen said @ #4.3)(Raa said @ #4.1)But that's half the point isn't it. It doesnt need to die, theres every valid reason to keep it going.
It's not dying. You can run XP on a PC for 30 years, if you so choose. No one is killing anything. It will just drop into the unmaintained category, like Win95 and such.
I'm curious to know when the activation servers will be shut down. I doubt they'd still be up in 30 years. -
#4.5 Posted by Dakkaroth on 30 May 2008 - 03:08
- (mezron said @ #4.4)I'm curious to know when the activation servers will be shut down. I doubt they'd still be up in 30 years.
In 30 years, Windows XP probably won't even be compatible with all the new hardware available... -
#4.6 Posted by mezron on 30 May 2008 - 03:43
- (Dakkaroth said @ #4.5)(mezron said @ #4.4)I'm curious to know when the activation servers will be shut down. I doubt they'd still be up in 30 years.
In 30 years, Windows XP probably won't even be compatible with all the new hardware available...
I'm sure it won't be. It's already getting difficult to find XP drivers for some new systems.
A few times a year or so I run DOS 6.11, Win 3.11, 95, NT4, 98, and in a vm though just for nostalgia sake. I'll play some old games, or just play with old software I have. In 20 or 30 years I'll probably want to do that with XP too. I should be able to as well, since I paid for them all.
Besides, it's different if I can't run them because there is just no hardware (virtual or physical) available anymore (even at garage sales, etc.) compared to MS just saying... sorry, that perpetual license you paid for... uhmmm, we were just kidding.
I can still play my 30+ year old vinyl records as long as I have a player. The people who bought music from Microsoft under the "Plays for Sure" thing won't be able to say that come September.
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#6 Posted by +Raa on 30 May 2008 - 01:37
- The Neowin poll clearly shows that not even 50% of its users use Vista... So let's keep it in perspective shall we?
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#6.1 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 30 May 2008 - 13:48
- (Raa said @ #6)The Neowin poll clearly shows that not even 50% of its users use Vista... So let's keep it in perspective shall we?
Wanna put some spin on that?
I generally use:
Apple - 544
Linux - 243
Windows Vista - 2008
Windows XP - 1691
Other - 29
544 + 243 + 1691 + 29 = 2507
2507 is pretty darned close to 2008 if you consider that's Vista competing against all the other OSes.
~44% of the people responding chose Vista, the supposedly the most reviled OS Microsoft has ever made, over the other options. That's pretty good for a year, don'tchathink? -
#6.2 Posted by James Riske on 30 May 2008 - 18:25
- (GreyWolfSC said @ #6.1)(Raa said @ #6)The Neowin poll clearly shows that not even 50% of its users use Vista... So let's keep it in perspective shall we?
Wanna put some spin on that?
I generally use:
Apple - 544
Linux - 243
Windows Vista - 2008
Windows XP - 1691
Other - 29
544 + 243 + 1691 + 29 = 2507
2507 is pretty darned close to 2008 if you consider that's Vista competing against all the other OSes.
~44% of the people responding chose Vista, the supposedly the most reviled OS Microsoft has ever made, over the other options. That's pretty good for a year, don'tchathink?
I think it's pretty embarrassing for the vi$ta fanboys and tells many truths about micro$oft in general, a year and a half later and only 44% ? wow lol -
#6.3 Posted by Kirkburn on 30 May 2008 - 20:00
- (James Riske said @ #6.2)I think it's pretty embarrassing for the vi$ta fanboys and tells many truths about micro$oft in general, a year and a half later and only 44% ? wow lol
I think your comment says a lot more about the commenter. I think it's pretty embarassing.
44% penetration after a year and a half ... ain't half bad. How often do you think people buy PCs these days? -
#6.4 Posted by +GreyWolfSC on 30 May 2008 - 21:21
- (James Riske said @ #6.2)(GreyWolfSC said @ #6.1)(Raa said @ #6)The Neowin poll clearly shows that not even 50% of its users use Vista... So let's keep it in perspective shall we?
Wanna put some spin on that?
I generally use:
Apple - 544
Linux - 243
Windows Vista - 2008
Windows XP - 1691
Other - 29
544 + 243 + 1691 + 29 = 2507
2507 is pretty darned close to 2008 if you consider that's Vista competing against all the other OSes.
~44% of the people responding chose Vista, the supposedly the most reviled OS Microsoft has ever made, over the other options. That's pretty good for a year, don'tchathink?
I think it's pretty embarrassing for the vi$ta fanboys and tells many truths about micro$oft in general, a year and a half later and only 44% ? wow lol
A year and half later and it already has 44% of the poll. It passed XP's install base and it's been around since 2002. It passed Apple and it's been around since before Windows. What exactly is your point? It is obviously not grounded in reality. -
#6.5 Posted by Captain555 on 31 May 2008 - 14:55
- (GreyWolfSC said @ #6.4)A year and half later and it already has 44% of the poll. It passed XP's install base and it's been around since 2002. It passed Apple and it's been around since before Windows. What exactly is your point? It is obviously not grounded in reality.
That's only on Neowin. Not very representative of the whole population. In the real world, it's only about 10%.
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#7 Posted by Frazell Thomas on 30 May 2008 - 01:52
- If I were Microsoft I'd keep it... And charge 2x the amount for XP as I would for Vista...
If they want that aging OS they should pay for it! -
#7.1 Posted by Captain555 on 31 May 2008 - 15:04
- Actually it's the other way around. OEM and CAO license are at the lowest they have been in year. With the impedding end of sales, everybody has piled them high, which made the price drop.
I should be able to still sell PC with XP for the Christmas season in 2009. After that we will see.
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#8 Posted by ironsight2000 on 30 May 2008 - 01:54
- Think back to 2002 this is what we thought
http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-m...ucks/15749.html
http://forums.wincustomize.com/172975/page/1
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=52126 -
#8.1 Posted by noPCtoday on 30 May 2008 - 04:03
- my thought exactly, and it's funny that nobody is replying and arguing with you
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#8.2 Posted by Chicane-UK on 30 May 2008 - 07:52
- Notice how in the Neowin thread, NO ONE AGREES WITH HIM. Bit different to the general groundswell of negative opinion on Vista that we have today..
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#8.3 Posted by ironsight2000 on 30 May 2008 - 18:04
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#8.4 Posted by James Riske on 30 May 2008 - 18:17
- (ironsight2000 said @ #Think back to 2002 this is what we thought
http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-m...ucks/15749.html
http://forums.wincustomize.com/172975/page/1
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=52126
wow the third link is the only legitimate link, the first doesn't even resolve, the second is just some M$ fanboy preaching her lies and the third is a whole 9 pages devoted to complaints about XP back when it was released, and on neowin of all places.
The net seem to be staggering with complaints about vi$ta and you back your fanboyism by posting a link to a 9 page thread, how embarrassing... -
#8.5 Posted by ironsight2000 on 30 May 2008 - 18:47
- (James Riske said @ #8.4)(ironsight2000 said @ #Think back to 2002 this is what we thought
http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-m...ucks/15749.html
http://forums.wincustomize.com/172975/page/1
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=52126
wow the third link is the only legitimate link, the first doesn't even resolve, the second is just some M$ fanboy preaching her lies and the third is a whole 9 pages devoted to complaints about XP back when it was released, and on neowin of all places.
The net seem to be staggering with complaints about vi$ta and you back your fanboyism by posting a link to a 9 page thread, how embarrassing...
im just showing that the same thing went on 7 years ago seams like we forgot how crappy xp was when it first came out -
#8.6 Posted by James Riske on 30 May 2008 - 18:51
- (ironsight2000 said @ #8.5)(James Riske said @ #8.4)(ironsight2000 said @ #Think back to 2002 this is what we thought
http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-m...ucks/15749.html
http://forums.wincustomize.com/172975/page/1
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=52126
wow the third link is the only legitimate link, the first doesn't even resolve, the second is just some M$ fanboy preaching her lies and the third is a whole 9 pages devoted to complaints about XP back when it was released, and on neowin of all places.
The net seem to be staggering with complaints about vi$ta and you back your fanboyism by posting a link to a 9 page thread, how embarrassing...
im just showing that the same thing went on 7 years ago seams like we forgot how crappy xp was when it first came out
Yeah, a whole 9 pages of people complaining about XP, way to go fanboy. -
#8.7 Posted by noPCtoday on 30 May 2008 - 19:41
- (James Riske said @ #8.6)(ironsight2000 said @ #8.5)(James Riske said @ #8.4)(ironsight2000 said @ #Think back to 2002 this is what we thought
http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-m...ucks/15749.html
http://forums.wincustomize.com/172975/page/1
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=52126
wow the third link is the only legitimate link, the first doesn't even resolve, the second is just some M$ fanboy preaching her lies and the third is a whole 9 pages devoted to complaints about XP back when it was released, and on neowin of all places.
The net seem to be staggering with complaints about vi$ta and you back your fanboyism by posting a link to a 9 page thread, how embarrassing...
im just showing that the same thing went on 7 years ago seams like we forgot how crappy xp was when it first came out
Yeah, a whole 9 pages of people complaining about XP, way to go fanboy.
You are only proving yourself as the fanboy. The guy who posted those linkes are obvious not fanboys. He throws real facts, and he wants to prove a point. and you? whining about other people disagreeing with your favorite xp? fanboism much? -
#8.8 Posted by James Riske on 30 May 2008 - 19:55
- (noPCtoday said @ #8.7)(James Riske said @ #8.6)(ironsight2000 said @ #8.5)(James Riske said @ #8.4)(ironsight2000 said @ #Think back to 2002 this is what we thought
http://www.computing.net/answers/windows-m...ucks/15749.html
http://forums.wincustomize.com/172975/page/1
http://www.neowin.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=52126
wow the third link is the only legitimate link, the first doesn't even resolve, the second is just some M$ fanboy preaching her lies and the third is a whole 9 pages devoted to complaints about XP back when it was released, and on neowin of all places.
The net seem to be staggering with complaints about vi$ta and you back your fanboyism by posting a link to a 9 page thread, how embarrassing...
im just showing that the same thing went on 7 years ago seams like we forgot how crappy xp was when it first came out
Yeah, a whole 9 pages of people complaining about XP, way to go fanboy.
You are only proving yourself as the fanboy. The guy who posted those linkes are obvious not fanboys. He throws real facts, and he wants to prove a point. and you? whining about other people disagreeing with your favorite xp? fanboism much?
She threw out a real fact alright, a whole 9 pages worth rofl!
Compare those 9 pages to the countless pages of people complaining about your beloved vi$ta, fanboy. -
#8.9 Posted by Kirkburn on 30 May 2008 - 20:02
- (James Riske said @ #8.She threw out a real fact alright, a whole 9 pages worth rofl!
Compare those 9 pages to the countless pages of people complaining about your beloved vi$ta, fanboy.
Enough with the ridiculous quoting.
Seven years ago, do you remember what the internet was like?
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#9 Posted by Hak Foo on 30 May 2008 - 02:23
- What intrigues me is that they seem interested in only preserving XP Home... "XP Home for laptops that fit into a specific low-performance window!" "Call the XP Home support line to petition!".
I'd expect a lot of the action would be from businesses with 5,000 XP Pro desktops and no desire to support 10 Vista boxes. -
#9.1 Posted by Captain555 on 31 May 2008 - 15:19
- Business don't need to buy new licenses (Full, CAO or OEM). They use Volume licensing.
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#10 Posted by MtDewCodeRedFreak on 30 May 2008 - 02:24
- Where's my "aww geez not this sh*t again!" picture?
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#10.1 Posted by hotrod on 30 May 2008 - 02:48
- This isn't getting old... it IS old. Vista is just as solid as XP was at this point in it's life cycle. I, for one, am sick of seeing these "SAVE XP" articles every time I visit the site. Does this nonsense occur for every other operating system? Do you see "SAVE OS 10.2" articles cluttering up the web because someone was running 10.5 as soon as it RTM'd and it had issues? and do you see this nonsense continue even after OS 10.5.2 has been released and fixed the majority of the issues in the RTM?
Geezus folks! Man up and realize that your 'favorite', nearly 7 year old OS will have to die at some time... -
#10.2 Posted by MtDewCodeRedFreak on 30 May 2008 - 16:09
- (hotrod said @ #10.1)This isn't getting old... it IS old. Vista is just as solid as XP was at this point in it's life cycle. I, for one, am sick of seeing these "SAVE XP" articles every time I visit the site. Does this nonsense occur for every other operating system? Do you see "SAVE OS 10.2" articles cluttering up the web because someone was running 10.5 as soon as it RTM'd and it had issues? and do you see this nonsense continue even after OS 10.5.2 has been released and fixed the majority of the issues in the RTM?
Geezus folks! Man up and realize that your 'favorite', nearly 7 year old OS will have to die at some time...
...... And I agree with you! THAT's why I was saying "aww jeez ...." because I'm sick of the petitions. -
#10.3 Posted by Captain555 on 31 May 2008 - 15:25
- (hotrod said @ #10.1)Vista is just as solid as XP was at this point in it's life cycle.
No it's not, it is slower. Very much slower.
I would like to give credit but I can't remember where I copy this from, but here is a good illustration of why Vista is so slow:
This is the life of a microprocessor under Window Vista:
Each milisec:
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Wondering why it is slow and why the system constantly access the network?
That�s why!
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#11 Posted by Brandon on 30 May 2008 - 02:37
- I'm considering putting XP on my laptop. I've had vista on it for a year, but sometimes it just feels sluggish
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#11.1 Posted by hotrod on 30 May 2008 - 02:52
- So you've had an OS installed for a year and it 'sometimes' seems sluggish? YES - If I were you I'd jump on the 1-800-SAVE-WINXP hotline and beg them to extend their support so you can revert back to an OS that might seem a little snappier! Heck why not just revert back to Win2k for a more responsive OS and beg them to support it forever as well?
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#11.2 Posted by Brandon on 30 May 2008 - 03:33
- (hotrod said @ #11.1)So you've had an OS installed for a year and it 'sometimes' seems sluggish? YES - If I were you I'd jump on the 1-800-SAVE-WINXP hotline and beg them to extend their support so you can revert back to an OS that might seem a little snappier! Heck why not just revert back to Win2k for a more responsive OS and beg them to support it forever as well?
I do a lot of photo editing. My desktop and laptop have almost the same specs (Core 2 Duo at 1.6GHz, 2GB RAM, dedicated video card) only difference is that my Laptop has Vista and desktop has XP.
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#11.3 Posted by noPCtoday on 30 May 2008 - 04:00
- (Brandon said @ #11.2)(hotrod said @ #11.1)So you've had an OS installed for a year and it 'sometimes' seems sluggish? YES - If I were you I'd jump on the 1-800-SAVE-WINXP hotline and beg them to extend their support so you can revert back to an OS that might seem a little snappier! Heck why not just revert back to Win2k for a more responsive OS and beg them to support it forever as well?
I do a lot of photo editing. My desktop and laptop have almost the same specs (Core 2 Duo at 1.6GHz, 2GB RAM, dedicated video card) only difference is that my Laptop has Vista and desktop has XP.
Things in photoshop are almost 2x as fast on my desktop as on my laptop.
never compare a laptop with a desktop. It's not all about the specs, even if you have the same spec, laptop has a lot of minimized hardwares. For example, 8800GT will not perform the same on desktop and laptop. After all, laptop is only for portability. A good comparison would be dual booting vista and xp and compare their speed. I'm not saying xp is bad, just want to make some corrections with your comparison.
BTW. I also heard windows 2000 is a great system. Almost have the same features as XP. Why not try it out? -
#11.4 Posted by boho on 30 May 2008 - 11:35
- (hotrod said @ #11.1)Heck why not just revert back to Win2k for a more responsive OS and beg them to support it forever as well?
For your info, XP (with all the eye candy and nonsense removed) is quicker than Win2000 - on similar hardware -even pentium 200 with 64 Mb RAM! -
#11.5 Posted by noPCtoday on 30 May 2008 - 19:43
- (boho said @ #11.4)(hotrod said @ #11.1)Heck why not just revert back to Win2k for a more responsive OS and beg them to support it forever as well?
For your info, XP (with all the eye candy and nonsense removed) is quicker than Win2000 - on similar hardware -even pentium 200 with 64 Mb RAM!
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I could say the same thing with Vista and XP.
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#12 Posted by Joshie on 30 May 2008 - 04:11
- But see, the great thing would be if, in the end, the number of call-ins is laughable. What do they call this sort of thing...vocal minority? Even when very few people actually want something, they're a very loud few, so it seems like much more of a ruckus than it really is?
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#13 Posted by sonob on 30 May 2008 - 04:11
- There not going to stop supporting XP until like 2012 or so. There are just going to stop selling retail copies of XP. There will still be security updates and fixes released. Dont really see what all the fuss is about.
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#14 Posted by sirgh0st on 30 May 2008 - 04:13
- Just to proove to all the nay sayers this same stuff being said about vista was said about windows xp, so give up all the arguments. If you like XP use that if you like vista use that if you do not like either don't use any of them. Below is a quote from a fellow neowin user that sums all this up nicely and prooves this whole argument is pointless.
Quote ( nl|nighthawk @ Nov 28 2002, 18:40)
Windows XP isnt exactly the most stable operating system since NT 4.0
I have had alot less problems with Windows 2000 Professional than I did Windows XP, Windows 2000 seems to have better memory management, doesn't crash as much, and doesn't carry mega-resource requirements.. Besides, its about $100-$150 cheaper..
If you had to get Windows XP, go with it.
If your looking for a good, stable Windows release, give Windows 2000 a try. If it don't work, try XP.
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#14.2 Posted by sirgh0st on 30 May 2008 - 04:32
- (Xilo said @ #14.1)Windows 2k is too ugly to use as a desktop system.
Do not blame me, the point to the above quote from someone else was to show that each and every microsoft release brings the bashers and the "save this os" groupies out in droves. -
#14.3 Posted by Esvandiary on 30 May 2008 - 08:17
- Hey, Windows 2000 Professional can be very solid as a small server OS... I've got a box with 132 days' uptime (with completely untested hardware too) which doesn't look like going down any time soon...
... but I get your point.
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#15 Posted by Somnus on 30 May 2008 - 04:37
- This is all pretty much waste of time.
1. It is not likely that Microsoft will extend the sales of Windows XP past the current deadline, no matter how many people call in.
2. Most vendors like HP, Acer, Dell, and Toshiba are building systems that don't have XP drivers for the hardware in the machines. One example is the HP a6330f that I was trying to downgrade for a customer of mine. It was such a pain in the butt to get the drivers, she just kept Vista.
3. The life cycle of Windows XP has come to it's end. Windows Vista is a decent if not very good bridge to Windows 7 to come a little over a year away. It is pretty stable as it is, and I would assume a few fixes here and there will make it just as stable, if not more so than Windows XP. Sure hardware requirements are a tad high, but don't you think Windows 7 will be the same?
4. Technology never goes forward with users looking to the past. To move forward changes have to be accepted and embraced. Microsoft can't hope or even try to please every computer user out there. It would be foolish. Just like supporting operating system where the life cycle has come and gone. Windows XP for all it's luster has similar problems when it came out and people cried for Windows 2000. Now that Vista is out, people are crying for Windows XP. When Windows 7 comes of age, people will cry for Vista. It is a never ending cycle of crying. Break the cycle, put away the kleenex, and move on.
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#15.1 Posted by boho on 30 May 2008 - 11:42
- (Somnus said @ #15)This is all pretty much waste of time.
1. It is not likely that Microsoft will extend the sales of Windows XP past the current deadline, no matter how many people call in.
2. Most vendors like HP, Acer, Dell, and Toshiba are building systems that don't have XP drivers for the hardware
Just to **** on your parade, having recently spoken to our accounts manager at Dell, they have stated that they are going on supporting XP for desktops on the Vista downgrade scheme Though they no longer support Win2000 on their 2950 servers (they did 6 months ago)
Last edited by bmaher on 30 May 2008 - 13:58
Well, word has been passed down to the tech support teams (and then on to Neowin) that they are to begin logging any calls that come in for the sole purpose of requesting an extension to the retail life of Windows XP. The calls will be logged and, if enough complaints are filed, Microsoft will consider giving XP some more time (no pinky promises, though).
If you wish to file an official petition yourself, you can simply call the Windows XP Home Edition support numbers for your country and let the operator know that you wish to file an official complaint. Because we're so nice and want to save you the trouble, here are the numbers for a majority of Neowin's visitors:
- United States: (866) 234-6020
- United Kingdom: 0870 60 10 100
- Canada: (800) 936-8479
If your country isn't listed, you can visit the Microsoft Support Site, choose your country, choose Windows XP Home Edition as your product and then go to 'Contacts' for the appropriate support number.