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Steven Parker   on 12 June 2008 - 09:27 · 33 comments & 15683 views

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Late Wednesday, a Microsoft spokesperson told BetaNews that a TechEd session in Orlando today summarized some of Internet Explorer 8's key new features for administrators, one of them being crash recovery. One much improved feature added to the earliest public betas of Mozilla Firefox 3.0 is its ability to remember and recall open pages on a forced exit or a crash -- a feature which was originally integrated into Firefox 2.0, but which frankly didn't work all that well. That version crashed more often, in our experience, and only sometimes recalled its previous state.

Similar functionality is likely to be added to IE8, BetaNews was told today by Microsoft. The list of additions also included three other items which, we were surprised to note, were more confirmations of what we already knew rather than indications of new things to come. First of all, administrators will be able to add IE8 to their image-based deployments of Windows Vista, using System Center Configuration Manager. (If they couldn't, that would be a problem.)

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(4 replies) #1 Typhon on 12 Jun 2008 - 09:35
Humm crash recovery always worked for me in Fire Fox 2 and 3.
#1.1 Brodel on 12 Jun 2008 - 09:42
I was just about to say the same. Don't think I've ever had a problem with it.
#1.2 Aquafox on 12 Jun 2008 - 15:04
just what i was about to say...
hmm, it took microsoft long enough to implement a feature that had been in firefox and opera for a few years now...
#1.3 Danielx714 on 12 Jun 2008 - 15:28
(Aquafox said @ #1.2)
just what i was about to say...
hmm, it took microsoft long enough to implement a feature that had been in firefox and opera for a few years now...



Ah those days when IE would crash, causing explorer to crash, and having to be reloaded (unless your really lucky and explorer.exe doesnt return)

Those were the days.....
#1.4 cork1958 on 13 Jun 2008 - 09:09
It has to work in Firefox because it crashes so often!!

No need what so ever for it in IE6, 7, or 8. Especially if you're using Windows XP. Neither of these crash (browser or OS)!!
(2 replies) #2 LaXu on 12 Jun 2008 - 10:31
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Opera the browser that had this feature first?

Why MS keeps adding IE7 compatibility I don't know. IE6 compatibility would be more important because that ****** of a browser is still haunting every web developer. IE7 worked fairly well on websites designed first for Firefox or Opera.

While it's good that MS is trying to catch up to other browsers, there is really nothing to be excited about in IE8 other than standards compliance. What would be exciting is if MS force-fed it to users, eliminating IE6 once and for all.
#2.1 kaiwai on 12 Jun 2008 - 11:26
(LaXu said @ #2)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Opera the browser that had this feature first?

Why MS keeps adding IE7 compatibility I don't know. IE6 compatibility would be more important because that ****** of a browser is still haunting every web developer. IE7 worked fairly well on websites designed first for Firefox or Opera.

While it's good that MS is trying to catch up to other browsers, there is really nothing to be excited about in IE8 other than standards compliance. What would be exciting is if MS force-fed it to users, eliminating IE6 once and for all.


I think maybe the better thing would be if Microsoft actually created standards compliant website authoriing tools from the beginning, then one would be in the snook they are in today. Maybe if they did from day one, then they could point their fingers at people not using quality tools.

Mind you, anyone who uses Dreamweaver/GoLive! or any other 'website builder' needs to be given a public flogging.
#2.2 FloatingFatMan on 12 Jun 2008 - 12:03
(LaXu said @ #2)
What would be exciting is if MS force-fed it to users, eliminating IE6 once and for all.


Not going to happen, quite frankly. A huge portion of the corporate world still uses IE6, and they won't be changing any time soon simply because quite a lot of corporate web applications just don't WORK on newer browsers.

Re-write you say? Sure... You gonna pay for that? Corporations sure as hell won't pay to have potentially millions of dollars of software to be rewritten just because some geeks on the internet don't like the way IE6 does things. As long as the corporations want IE6, MS will NOT be forcing newer browsers on people.
(2 replies) #3 Pallab on 12 Jun 2008 - 10:50
Hmm.. its interresting that in the article FX is mentioned but not Opera dince it was Opera who invented the feature and first implemented it.
#3.1 ricknl on 12 Jun 2008 - 11:11
Like the tabbed browsing. Though Firefox implemented it much later, everybody is talking about it as if it is FF invention.
#3.2 El Sid on 12 Jun 2008 - 11:18
While this is true, Firefox is the browser that brought the feature to peoples attention, if only down to browser market share. A little unfair, but maybe Fx is how the article writer found the feature.
(3 replies) #4 kaiwai on 12 Jun 2008 - 11:23
The problem as far as I see it it; the crash recovery may sound nice in theory, but if a given website crahed the browser to begin with - you'll end up in a continuous loop.
#4.1 ShMaunder on 12 Jun 2008 - 12:21
(kaiwai said @ #4)
The problem as far as I see it it; the crash recovery may sound nice in theory, but if a given website crahed the browser to begin with - you'll end up in a continuous loop.

Yea thats what i was thinking.

I had a Java applet in a tab on fx2 yesterday that kept crashing the browser everytime i recovered the previous session. I could have clicked 'new session' if i didnt need all the other tabs (very annoying! ).
#4.2 Unplugged on 12 Jun 2008 - 15:02
That's why you normally have a dialogue asking you if you want to recover the previous state.

Only an idiot would keep pressing yes after they had gone though the loop about 5 times.

Crash Recovery was integrated into IE7Pro as an add on a while back.
#4.3 trip21 on 12 Jun 2008 - 22:45
(Unplugged said @ #4.2)
Crash Recovery was integrated into IE7Pro as an add on a while back.


Which you'd be crazy NOT to have installed given it's freeware and ads heaps of useful features
#5 kaiwai on 12 Jun 2008 - 11:23
(1 reply) #6 Imran Hussain on 12 Jun 2008 - 12:15
WTH, crash recovery is already there in IE 8 current build! how is this news!
plus unlike Fx in which the whole browser crashes. In IE 8 only the problematic tab crashes and is recovered.
#6.1 brianshapiro on 14 Jun 2008 - 03:59
Because IE has the ability to run different windows/tabs in separate threads, which Firefox doesn't
#7 Magallanes on 12 Jun 2008 - 13:06
Crash recovery works only if happens a crash, so it is not a solution.

(1 reply) #8 jamesVault on 12 Jun 2008 - 13:10
Firefox crash recovery: a page in a tab crashes -> the whole browser crashes!!! then the browser is reloaded and tabs reloaded.
IE8 crash recovery: a page in a tab crashes -> crashed tab is recovered, the other tabs survive, the browser remains up!

Last edited by jamesVault on 12 Jun 2008 - 13:19
#8.1 NateB1 on 12 Jun 2008 - 18:35
Thank you for mentioning this! This is a big difference between IE and Firefox.
#9 naap51stang on 12 Jun 2008 - 13:13
Big deal......I've had that in FF2 for well over a year
#10 tiagosilva29 on 12 Jun 2008 - 13:56
That's some big-ass IE icon.
#11 velkymx on 12 Jun 2008 - 14:39
How about they just make a browser that doesn't freaking crash?!?
(1 reply) #12 C_Guy on 12 Jun 2008 - 15:10
"a feature which was originally integrated into Firefox 2.0, but which frankly didn't work all that well"

I really wish that these news articles had factual information in them rather than random FUD.

The crash recovery in FF 2 has always worked. It will be nice when IE8 implements their crash recovery too.
#12.1 +mrbester on 12 Jun 2008 - 16:28
The crash recovery in FF 2 has always worked.

Sho' nuff. I sometimes deliberately kill the process at the end of the day so I can maintain a session of related pages for the next day, sort of like hibernation.
#13 backdrifter on 12 Jun 2008 - 15:33
IE8 betas has tab-based recovery which is completely different than browser-based recovery.
(1 reply) #14 lammmetak on 13 Jun 2008 - 07:23
Instead of trying to focus how to recover there crap software they could better spend that time on letting the standards work in internet explorer. If this is one of the main features maybe they should start thinking what they do wrong because this isnt usefull and totally not needed.
#14.1 FloatingFatMan on 13 Jun 2008 - 08:51
(lammmetak said @ #14)
Instead of trying to focus how to recover there crap software they could better spend that time on letting the standards work in internet explorer. If this is one of the main features maybe they should start thinking what they do wrong because this isnt usefull and totally not needed.


Oh, you mean kinda how like IE8 *is* now standards compliant and actually passes Acid Test 2?

I'll try not to mention the huge number of sites out there that don't work properly on it anymore thanks to its standards compliance, unless you go to IE7 emulation mode.
#15 randyckay on 13 Jun 2008 - 13:25
It is sad how the creator of the features implemented whether in Firefox or recently by IE have been invented a long long time ago by Opera. But people only see IE and Firefox. They both copied Opera. Multi tab browsing, crash recovery, save session, innumerable shortcuts, feeds, etc... etc... etc...
Yes life is unfair, inventors are frogotten, all whom we do remember sometimes are the copiers!
#16 Harry Crumb on 13 Jun 2008 - 14:01
I don't know how many people have had issues with the crash recovery in Firefox 2, but it has always worked for me and also when Firefox is forcefully closed for a restart, etc.
#17 3rd impact on 13 Jun 2008 - 15:08
FF2 user here, i've never had problems with crash recovery and it always recalled its previous state 100% of the time period.

#18 randomnut on 13 Jun 2008 - 20:53
Crash recovery is old news. IE is behind the times.

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