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4870X2: ATI claims top spot in performance race with Nvidia

Daniel Fleshbourne   on 12 August 2008 - 11:07 · 25 comments & 21543 views

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Today AMD/ATI has retaken the performance crown for the first time in over 2 years, not content with that they also likely to take second place too. With the release of the 4870X2 and in short order the 4850X2.

AMD have ended any chance of Nvidia retaining the top spots and the bragging rights associated with being able the hold the performance crown.

ATI already hold the midrange price/performance lead with its 4850 and 4870 GPU’s. Now they have made a pair of them combined on the same PCB with spectacular results.

As the NDA lifts on ATI’s new cards the internet is awash with benchmarks. All showing that the 4870X2 comprehensively beats the Nvidia GTX 280. And given the performance of the 4850 in crossfire beating the GTX 260 it follows that the 4850X2 will do the same.

The 4870X2 has the same exact specs (no underclock for the memory this time) as two single 4870’s GPU’s and paired with 2X1GB GDDR5 costing $549. The 4850X2 follows this pattern with a pair of 4850’s with 2X1GB of GDDR3 costing $339. Interestingly the Nvidia GTX 280 was $649 at launch.

With the 4870X2 ATI also introduces a sideband feature. This adds direct PCIe2 communications between the CPU’s without the need to go through the PCIe switch. This decreases latency and adds additional bandwidth. At the same time ATI has given the 4870X2 a PCIe 2 bridge chip.

Also from the reviews circulating that this card performs just as well in a 8X PCIe slot as it does in a 16X Slot. If that’s found to be the case it will be a big deal to midrange motherboard owners who have a pair of 8X PCIe slots.
So overall it looks like the top spots are going ATI’s way for now. It already has the midrange covered by the 4850 and 4870 and will likely attack the low end with the launch of the 44XX and 46XX presumed to be around the corner too.

But what is Nvidia likely to do about ATI’s current strength?

Well nothing yet it seems with Nvidia going with a Monolithic design for the GTX 2xx series they have limited themselves on scope on what’s achievable until a 40nm die shrink comes along. Whereas ATI use a much smaller design on the 48xx series can pair them up on a single PCB.

So it’s doubtful that Nvidia will be able to increase clock speed by much and it almost certainly rules out any GTX 280 X2 derivatives due to heat space and power requirements.

So it’s looking more likely that the talk of Nvidia pulling out of the chipset business to concentrate on their GPU division is in fact correct.
Nvidia is going to have to pull out all the stops on this one. With the GTX 2xx series the only way to increase performance is to make the parts smaller which aren’t any help to them until 40nm comes along and that is going in to 2009 around the same time as Intel will join the discrete CPU market with its GPU based on multi core-x86 line. ATI/AMD could also do similar with its CPU designing talent.

Leaving Nvidia with a single GPU design and not many places they can go with it. It would be reasonable to assume then that it’s going to take all of Nvidia’s know how to come up with a completely new chip or more likely chips design.

Will it be able to? It’s going to be an exciting time in the next 6 months for the Graphics Card market.

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#1 coolkat007 on 12 Aug 2008 - 11:36
waiting for "GeForce GTX 260/280 versus Radeon HD 4850x2/4870x2"

and yes.. get back the processor crown too..
#2 +stevember on 12 Aug 2008 - 11:39
oh and better drivers, and adding to this the fact ATI can be improved performance wise by drivers means they are far from running full speed, 5% here 20% improvement there....
(2 replies) #3 Daniel on 12 Aug 2008 - 11:41
the 4870X2 vs GTX 280 benchmark is already out : http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/12/amd-dub...ard-benchmarks/
#3.1 coolkat007 on 12 Aug 2008 - 11:44
yup..
im a loyal neowin member.. so first i opened neowin then engadget
#3.2 Daniel on 12 Aug 2008 - 11:50
(coolkat007 said @ #3.1)
yup..
im a loyal neowin member.. so first i opened neowin then engadget


(2 replies) #4 Neobond on 12 Aug 2008 - 11:59
I've always had NVIDIA cards, but I have been impressed by Marcel's (Redmak) graphics cards (he chooses ATi mostl).
#4.1 Daniel on 12 Aug 2008 - 12:01
(Neobond said @ #4)
I've always had NVIDIA cards, but I have been impressed by Marcel's (Redmak) graphics cards (he chooses ATi mostl).


come luke, join the dark side!
#4.2 +stevember on 12 Aug 2008 - 12:07
(Neobond said @ #4)
I've always had NVIDIA cards, but I have been impressed by Marcel's (Redmak) graphics cards (he chooses ATi mostl).


Me too when ATI drivers were bad, thinking about it they was worse than bad...

But past 3 years I've been ATI and very happy.
(1 reply) #5 boho on 12 Aug 2008 - 12:30
How the pendulum of opinion swings
#5.1 +stevember on 12 Aug 2008 - 15:46
(boho said @ #5)
How the pendulum of opinion swings


Thats quite an ambiguous statement!

If you mean people jump ship with opinion when faster comes along is bad or lack integrity then thats crazy thought, at one time I raved Matrox Millennium with wram wow....

Facts:
ATI drivers used to be real bad - alot better now
Nvidia drivers used to be great - alot worse now

Nvidia cards faster and still very fast, but ATI are faster at moment and performance to budget are even better.
#6 Beastage on 12 Aug 2008 - 12:44
I want 4870x2 Nao! oh wait... 550usd?! Hell No!
#7 Raa on 12 Aug 2008 - 12:56
Considering it's 2 gpus slapped together, and not ^all^ games support that, and i've read *some* bad comments about the ATI drivers.... I'm not convinced....

I'll keep an eye on this though, nVidia's sure to be working on something though!
Gotta love competition
#8 barteh on 12 Aug 2008 - 15:34
Im sure there is going to be higher ramped versions of this, cores touching 1ghz shortly.
#9 kaiwai on 12 Aug 2008 - 17:57
Hmm, its going to be interesting to see what happens with this new multicore monster getting prepared by intel, and how this will impact on the video card space; is it a possibility one day we'll see a third horse in the race next to AMD/ATI and Nvidia?
(4 replies) #10 RAID 0 on 12 Aug 2008 - 18:27
So is this the thread where people are going to say it was stupid of AMD to purchase ATi?
#10.1 +gwai lo on 12 Aug 2008 - 19:34
(RAID 0 said @ #10)
So is this the thread where people are going to say it was stupid of AMD to purchase ATi?

Wasn't stupid, they just overpaid.
#10.2 RAID 0 on 12 Aug 2008 - 19:35
(gwai lo said @ #10.1)
(RAID 0 said @ #10)
So is this the thread where people are going to say it was stupid of AMD to purchase ATi?

Wasn't stupid, they just overpaid.


That may be, but it's looking like that deal might pay off.
#10.3 ahhell on 13 Aug 2008 - 01:50
(RAID 0 said @ #10.2)
(gwai lo said @ #10.1)
(RAID 0 said @ #10)
So is this the thread where people are going to say it was stupid of AMD to purchase ATi?

Wasn't stupid, they just overpaid.


That may be, but it's looking like that deal might pay off.

You can tell that from one review? Wow you must be an analytic genius.
#10.4 RAID 0 on 13 Aug 2008 - 18:42
(ahhell said @ #10.3)
(RAID 0 said @ #10.2)
(gwai lo said @ #10.1)
(RAID 0 said @ #10)
So is this the thread where people are going to say it was stupid of AMD to purchase ATi?

Wasn't stupid, they just overpaid.


That may be, but it's looking like that deal might pay off.

You can tell that from one review? Wow you must be an analytic genius.


I said MIGHT PAY OFF. MIGHT. Can you read, genius?

First time in two years ATi is faster.... I'd say my wording was proper.
(3 replies) #11 Airlink on 12 Aug 2008 - 22:37
You watch, nVidia will release a GX2 280 and it will blow the 4870X2 out of the water.
#11.1 Shannon on 13 Aug 2008 - 01:02
If you consider how much a single GTX 280 costs, can you imagine the cost of two of those behemoths slapped together? I'd have to wonder what sort of returns nVidia would make on such an expensive card, when it's just more financially feasible for the consumer to get the 4870X2.
#11.2 Skynetfuture on 13 Aug 2008 - 01:04
as we said it will take them quite long time to get it done as it is impossible with current design and specs
#11.3 Airlink on 13 Aug 2008 - 01:10
The operative word there being "Current."
We're not talking about current designs, we're talking about future designs.
Perhaps they'll make a liquid-cooled-only GX2 280. Would make sense for the price, as only extreme gamers would buy one, and it's mostly extreme gamers that use liquid cooling. And with the heat that a pair of GTX 280s on one card would be putting out, perhaps the only way you could go is liquid-cooled.
#12 +gwai lo on 13 Aug 2008 - 02:18
It's not really "extreme gamers" who go water, it's hardware enthusiasts and overclockers who do.
#13 Stup0t on 13 Aug 2008 - 12:53
I have normally gone nvidia. But due to my budget on my build I went for an ATI 4870 and damn what a card. I also have a antec 900 case with the fans on low and the card fan just idles all the time. Even on a 4 hour stint of crysis in max detail.

So if you are in the market for a new card. Shop around dont just go buying nvidia coz thats what you had before. Check the other side out. You may well be surprised like me.

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