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Apple, what the hell happened to iPhone push notifications?

Brad Sams   on 03 February 2009 - 17:17 · 35 comments & 7382 views

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Rumors are starting to fly out about a new iPhone coming in June. While the timeline seems accurate (Apple generally refreshes products around similar times of the year) it was almost a year ago that Apple announced Push notifications for the iPhone. Now eleven months later, where the hell is it?

It's no secret that Apple missed its deadline of September for launching Push notifications and that the feature is still absent today. With a new iPhone or major software upgrade on the verge of being announced (for a June launch) an incredible but surprisingly plausible rumor has surfaced that makes perfect sense.

The idea is that for the software launch of 3.0 for the iPhone, Apple will introduce background application processes; you will be able to run more than one program at a time. The best part is that it is believed that Push notifications will be tied into these background processes so that programs like AIM can continue to run in the background until a "Push notification" is received. This makes perfect sense for why there has been such a long delay for the feature and it may be well worth the extra wait.

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(2 replies) #1 Garry on 03 Feb 2009 - 18:03
So there's no source or information related to the supposition? In fact, it's little more than a blog post really isn't it?
#1.1 Tom W on 03 Feb 2009 - 18:05
Hence the "rumour" tag
#1.2 bdsams on 03 Feb 2009 - 18:37
@ garry, its logic, putting all the pieces together ect
(2 replies) #2 McG on 03 Feb 2009 - 18:06
LOL! I love the way this article is written. Great title, too.
#2.1 KeR on 03 Feb 2009 - 18:21
McG said,
LOL! I love the way this article is written. Great title, too.


Me too, all the usage of "hell" and bias makes the article a true front page winner.
#2.2 bdsams on 03 Feb 2009 - 18:36
thanks!
#3 Stetson on 03 Feb 2009 - 18:14
The article linked to in this post (almost a year ago) refers to push Exchange email/calendar support, which came with iPhone software v2.0. It makes no reference to push notification support for applications. This was announced several months later at WWDC.

Still no excuse for promising fall of '08 and still not delivering, but it really hasn't been "almost a year".
#4 sharp65 on 03 Feb 2009 - 18:41
It's hillarious trying to see people defend apple on this one.
(2 replies) #5 +techbeck on 03 Feb 2009 - 18:46
Typical company BS. This feature will come with the next iPhone and only the next iPhone. WAnt to use this? Then you need to upgrade.

Of course, this is just a guess but companies do it all the time.
#5.1 Stetson on 03 Feb 2009 - 18:52
Apple seems to do that in some product lines, but with the iPhone they have always offered software updates to existing devices for free. The only reason this would only exist on a new iPhone would be for reasons of performance.
#5.2 +techbeck on 03 Feb 2009 - 18:54
Stetson said,
Apple seems to do that in some product lines, but with the iPhone they have always offered software updates to existing devices for free. The only reason this would only exist on a new iPhone would be for reasons of performance.


Like battery life. Having multiple apps open is great as long as there is enough power to do so. With the current iPod/iPhone the battery life sucks. Maybe they will make the battery life better...who knows.
#6 +bob21 on 03 Feb 2009 - 18:53
I guess the world isnt ready for push email too [sic]
#7 +Jedimark on 03 Feb 2009 - 19:28
I seem to remember Apple ripping into background processes during the keynote - putting up an image of Windows Mobile Task Manager and stating that this was categorically the wrong way of doing things much to the ammusement of the audience.
#8 +bob21 on 03 Feb 2009 - 20:03
Maby we should take a page from apples book and rip out Copy and Paste, MMS, Push Email, Video conferencing, video recording, Office 2007 , Hardware Keyboards , Hardware Button's , Scrollwheels and the task manager .

Then again maby not ...
(5 replies) #9 LTD on 03 Feb 2009 - 20:21
I don't think that in today's market, with the average consumer, copy and paste, push notifications etc. are as important as some of us would like to think.

Apple's attention to other areas of the phone ,and its near dominance of the smartphone market in the span of only a year and a few months, demonstrates this. Consumers vote with their wallets. And they've decided what's important to them, and what features they consider to be front-line candidates in favour of purchase. And it sure isn't copy and paste or mms, like it or not.

There might be additional features we'd like to see on the iPhone. But this can be said of any phone. The iPhone, as the overall package that it is, is already a product that satisfies on a lot of levels. I don't think its strengths need explaining, since the rest of the industry is now trying to imitate them.

Copy and paste, push notifications, etc. are not make-or-break features. Especially in light of what else this revolutionary device has brought to the table. It has turned the entire industry on its ear and has forced everyone to up their game. These other little features will come, but I'm certainly in no rush to have them. Apple has shown us with frightening effectiveness that cramming a device full of features does not a good device make.
#9.1 profets on 03 Feb 2009 - 20:57
i kinda agree to a certain extent. but a push notification service would be quite helpful.. especially when they made such a big deal about it last year.

or at least letting apps run in the background. as an iPhone user i feel like i'm left hoping for a lot more to come in 3.0 after seeing what the Pre has to offer
#9.2 +dead.cell on 03 Feb 2009 - 21:27
I'll agree with you on that, LTD. The iPhone features certainly outweigh the lack of copy/paste. However, being such a basic feature, it's understandable to see why people would bitch about its lack of presence in the iPhone.

That, along with apps running in the background, are certainly a couple things I've heard people asking from Apple. I'd mention battery life as well, but that goes without saying.

Nothing wrong with making a great phone even better, right?
#9.3 Julius Caro on 03 Feb 2009 - 21:53
i would love copy past. if only to be able to copy addresses from emails to look for them in google maps.
#9.4 /- Razorfold on 04 Feb 2009 - 00:17
Revolutionary device?

- Applications coded in Javascript.
- No copy paste
- Crap camera that doesn't have autofocus
- Crap resolution for that screen size
- No front camera (not that big a deal tbh)
- No multitask apart from the music player
- No flash
- Dropped phone calls
- No memory card slot. Sure you say the iphone has 16gb internal. Oh but wait I can get 16gb microSD cards, and a 32gb one is in the works. And the cost of a 16gb microSD card? Oh only 40usd.
- No office (word/excel/powerpoint/onenote etc)
- No mms
- No push emails or notification =/
- No blackberry connect (sucks for enterprises that use Blackberry)
- Can't run apps not downloaded/purchased from the appstore unless you jailbreak
- Locked into a network that generally rips you off (unless of course you jailbreak). Sure most phones have that when you buy them from say ATT, but oh look all you have to do is phone up ATT and ask them for the unlock code, and they give it to you! Simple. Doesn't void your warranty, doesn't go against any EULA (not like I care about that tbh)...

So what revolutionary device were you talking about? HTC phones did all that and more even before the iPhone. Get yourself a custom rom, one of the billion available on xda, flash it and you get the speed etc. Want your windows mobile phone to look and run like an iphone, oh look you can do that too. Want it to look like the storm? yup can do that too. Want it to run android? Yup they're making that work.

Of random note my nokia and motorola from like 5 years ago had copy paste and the ability to multitask.

Theres absolutely nothing revolutionary about the iPhone, just huge amounts of hype and consumers that are stupid enough to believe everything Apple says in its ads.

Sure the iPhone outsold windows mobile the year it was first released. Oh but wait last year 4.5 million more windows mobile phones were sold. And with windows mobile 6.5 / 7 coming out soon enough that number will just increase.

And before you go omg the iPhone has multitouch, resistive touchscreens and touchpads have always supported multitouch. It's not a hardware issue, its quite simply a firmware/driver issue. Synaptics proved it by releasing a driver that does just that.

How about this, instead of making a multicore iphone that would have the battery life of like 10 seconds, why not add some, or even all, of those features.

Consumers don't vote with their wallets, they just vote with their tiny brains.

Last edited by /- Razorfold on 04 Feb 2009 - 00:26
#9.5 Quikboy on 05 Feb 2009 - 03:15
I don't think the issue is not necessarily how worthy the features are you to you, but Apple promised something almost a year ago, and still hasn't delivered. Seems to be a common thing now...

I love how you make this seem like a non-issue though
(3 replies) #10 +bob21 on 03 Feb 2009 - 20:55
Oh of course not LTD , Do you think anyone on this forum is retarted enough to believe your sarcastic dribble . Every time an article points out a feature not present in the (Sh)iphone you say its not needed to put a pro apple spin on things .

Your not fooling anyone , It was the same with GPS first you said it wasn't needed then you do a complete 180 and say its Superior than whats on offer from copilot and tomtom . Rest assured if apple ever manages to get push working on the shiphone LTD will be the first one to turn around and tell everyone how important it is .

Just like he did when apple did a complete 180 with their mp3 player line and ripped the PDA concept .
#10.1 LTD on 03 Feb 2009 - 21:04
Don't complain to me . . . go complain to all the consumers who put Apple into the #1 US spot and #3 worldwide spot practically overnight. And growing.

I'm just explaining what the trend seems to be. Apple seems to be giving people exactly what they want. Same as with the iPod.

Now, if you think people want the wrong things, or they don't want enough, then that's a completely different matter - one that I think you'll have a difficult time arguing.
#10.2 +bob21 on 03 Feb 2009 - 21:24
LTD said,
Don't complain to me . . . go complain to all the consumers who put Apple into the #1 US spot and #3 worldwide spot practically overnight. And growing.


Aren’t you forgetting that Windows Mobile devices outsold Iphones this year by 4.5 million ?


LTD said,
I'm just explaining what the trend seems to be. Apple seems to be giving people exactly what they want. Same as with the iPod



So GPS wasn’t needed and then it was when it was added , I can guarantee you as soon as this situation is resolved you will turn around and say not only does the iphone support push email but it handles push better than other devices . Same as GPS same as everything else you jsut put a pro apple spin on things .


LTD said,
Now, if you think people want the wrong things, or they don't want enough, then that's a completely different matter - one that I think you'll have a difficult time arguing



People want the wrong things ? i never said that im just pointing out that you are being a humongus hypocrite and your pro apple dribble makes no sense at all.

#10.3 simon360 on 03 Feb 2009 - 23:11
Actually it does support push email. Has since July.

What it doesn't support is background applications, or push notifications to compensate for the lack of them. But Exchange works the way it would on any push-supporting phone.
(1 reply) #11 necrosis on 03 Feb 2009 - 21:00
Apple is probably going to pull a typical Apple.

Older phones won't be able to take push notifications or run apps in the background forcing you to upgrade your phone.
#11.1 +techbeck on 03 Feb 2009 - 21:58
necrosis said,
Apple is probably going to pull a typical Apple.

Older phones won't be able to take push notifications or run apps in the background forcing you to upgrade your phone.


Of course, companies do this all the time.
(1 reply) #12 +techbeck on 03 Feb 2009 - 22:04
TLD

Copy and paste is a given. Hell, my Motorola non smart phone has copy/paste. Also, being able to run more than one App would be a GOOD THING for Apple. I mean, who wouldnt want to run more than one app?

Yes, it may not be make/break features but dude, this goes back to the issue you bitched about concerning support. you said, "those of use who pay top dollar expect nothing but the best support and to be treated like royalty" Granted, the quote is not word for word but it sums up what you said/meant in your posting a few days ago. So Apple promises its consumers something, and they didnt deliver. You spent several hundred bucks on an iPhone and are not getting what you were promised. There for you are not getting good support for the money and Apple is lying to you and not treating you right.

Think about it....
#12.1 TommyT on 03 Feb 2009 - 22:34
Thats so true i bought one to replace my HTC kaiser and it was absolute rubbish compared to windows mobile , I had to give it back and cancel my contract (50 upfront and i had to pay 2 months of the contract) after two days .

It just couldnt do what my old HTC Kaiser could , Like call my girlfriend with video or edit spreadsheats on the go hell i even had to write down the links i was being sent and type them in on the on screen keyboard which took a bloody age

Apple better up their game big time if they want to outsell windows mobiles this year
(3 replies) #13 ivan300 on 04 Feb 2009 - 04:59
- Applications coded in Javascript. I fail to see your point
- No copy paste Jailbreak it
- Crap camera that doesn't have autofocus Camera is fine for me
- Crap resolution for that screen size You must have 100/20 vision
- No front camera (not that big a deal tbh) Yea i dont know anybody that uses the video conference stuff
- No multitask apart from the music player Jailbreak it
- No flash I wouldn't mind this
- Dropped phone calls I have never had a issue with dropped calls neither has any of my friends
- No memory card slot. Could be useful
- No office (word/excel/powerpoint/onenote etc) Jailbreak it/Appstore
- No mms Jailbreak it/Appstore
- No push emails or notification =/ Push email was added last year, notifications are not needed with backgrounder(runs apps in the background)
- No blackberry connect (sucks for enterprises that use Blackberry) don't need it
- Can't run apps not downloaded/purchased from the appstore unless you jailbreak wow are you that busy that you can not take 5 mins out of your day to jailbreak the phone.
- Locked into a network that generally rips you off ............................... you guessed it JAIL BREAK IT!!!

the iphone is a amazing phone, however it only comes alive once its jailbroken, there are 1000s of apps out there which are more powerful/interesting then the ones in the appstore because they don't have limitations.
#13.1 Magallanes on 04 Feb 2009 - 12:58
- Applications coded in Javascript :meh!, so why use objective-c to program for iphone?.
- Crap camera that doesn't have autofocus: Any camera without autofocus is plain useless.
-Dropped phone calls :Apple updated not one but three times to solve this problem, and still there are people that suffer or missed/hanged calls.
#13.2 +StevoFC on 04 Feb 2009 - 19:19
There was a bad batch of sim cards in the 3g phones. Once I had my card replaced I rarely have a dropped call.
#13.3 Quikboy on 05 Feb 2009 - 03:14
Why should anyone have to 'jailbreak' a phone to make it do that functionality? A lot of phones have such functionality built-in, and you don't have to hack them, or BUY an application to do the job for you.

Obviously, if some average consumer didn't know about jailbreaking, they'd be stuck.
#14 Magallanes on 04 Feb 2009 - 12:54
The idea is that for the software launch of 3.0 for the iPhone, Apple will introduce background application processes;


Its funny because since the very first version of the software is able to do it, just there are not a frontend to activate it (but there are third party software that allow it). Also, by default there are some services running on background.


#15 +StevoFC on 04 Feb 2009 - 19:19
I think push will be enabled for other apps once they release ichat for the iphone.
#16 maetrix66 on 05 Feb 2009 - 20:10
Looking at Apple's history, they like to make a splash witheverything.

Mark my words, Apple already has a new Iphone in the pipeline "Iphone 2.1"

and they are going to sell it hand over fist to the Lemmings that have to have the newest
e-phallus.

Apple fixes software problems with updates, they don't add functions incrementally. They save them up, then
release them all together in a shiny new package and a 300 million dollar ad campaign.

Personally, I just think they are waiting for Steve Jobs to get back to release it. This company is going
to eventually die when his meter runs out. (not wishing it on him, but the company seems loathe to function without him now)

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