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That is like the best ad ever, lol.

I die every time she makes that fish face...

exactly!

cause the part where she says 'im a pc and im 4 and a half' is really cute

Yes, well the Apple ads are just about niche marketing. A selective use of the bandwagon approach.

Well, atleast Microsoft ads show what people can do with their products rather than showing wats wrong with their competitors!

haha you guys

True. The pc bashing is getting old.

Last edited by Jon32 on 08 Feb 2009 - 11:40

true true

lol @ comments

Which one was the last great ad?

The "Beachball Free Zone" imho

Do that and your pay will be cut in half or none lol

or...she'd go ask her mommy and daddy...

who probbly showed her how to do it in the first place...

My nephew (a little older) does the same basic stuff all the time, and plays flash games on sites we bookmarked for him. I get emails from him all the time that are nothing more then really really bad photo lists... it's cute and he's learning how to use a computer.

Well I know a girl who is about 10 and she is one of my really young friends, and she has figured out bunches on the computer. Yes the girl in this ad was coached to do it, but it also is that easy these days. My friend knows to google when she can't figure out stuff, she has been doing that since she was young too, like since she was like 6. I'm sure just a couple years from now, and this will be very realistic to this girl, I'd say when she is 5 or 6 she will be doing this in reality.

You realise that we learn to walk, speak etc... We also learn to use a computer, Microsoft are just showing how they have made complicated technology easy enough for a 4 year old to use, with some help from parents. Good advert.

What manual?

+1

The fact they are able to coach a 4 1/2 year old to do it shows its ease.

In the unlikely circumstance something does go drastically wrong you get help from a professional. Just like when your car breaks down or your house needs repairing.

What you are saying is similar to saying teaching young kids to use the toilet isnt useful - as they cant fix the toilet when it breaks? Can you do everything a plumber, electrician, mechanic etc. etc. can do?

Grandparents.

Maybe they live in a big house.

You're kidding right? I've never had to "replace" a USB port no matter how many noobs have (ab)used it...

Obviously you don't have kids.

Never under-estimate the intelligence of a child...

PWND!!!

i see DanielZ hasn't been beaten to a pulp by an 8yr old on any PS game. XD why my 9 yr old niece hacks her mother's yahoo mail password every other week.

My 2yr old knows how to put usb cords in the right spot (without damage). It's not being tech savvy, it's about shapes lol. now if only i could teach him how to do my work for me.

My daughter knows how to power a pc on, log in, launch firefox and allow it to update to the latest version, install Flash and then go on her favourite flash based kids site.

Tom W: How old is your daughter?

my 4 year old can plug our Sony in via USB and choose a photo. He then opens Skype, rings 'nanny far away' and sends her the file.

But DanielZ is probably correct, MOST 4 year olds aren't tech savvy.

Seriously, I've seen kids as young as two learning to work the mouse while they're learning to walk, lol.

MOST aren't. There are some exceptions, like the ones mentioned above. Although my brother is eleven and my sister is 8, and they couldn't figure out how to install anything, nor plug in a USB properly.

You can't expect someone to do something without showing them. That goes for all people!

My brother is 9 and knows how to install games as well as send me emails.

The level of tech-savvy of a child, or anyone for that matter, depends heavily on exposure and the encouragement of others. Most young children would struggle because they don't get allowed near the grown up toys :p

If a child can pick up the complexities of a human language then a computer should be no trouble at all. At that age you are a learning-curiosity machine.

Tech-savvy, no. But kids soak it up like a sponge. My 4 year old daughter knows nothing about computers, but she does know how to switch mine on, log in to her profile and click on the shortcuts on her desktop to watch a film.

My point is, children can easily remeber how to perform a series of actions to get to a required goal, and clearly this is what is happening in this ad.

Maybe he just has stoopid kids?

lmao, that's bad but funny!

It's actually a very clever advert, since they will be targeting families, many of which will buy more than one copy of windows software

what's linux

I see a child exposed to low amounts of radiation

LOL

Linux is a Shareware OS for people who need/want/desire to save $100 and have no need of running modern computer software, games, or professional applications. They browse the web, do web mail, share files, and many are programmers. Some of them run Linux for the sole reason that they still hold a grudge from when Microsoft broke a date with them (or something similar).

Linux has come to the point where you can do almost anything with it. Almost every Windows app has a Linux alternative. And if you do need to run a Windows app, Wine is pretty good with emulating Windows.

You shouldn't try to comment on things you clearly know very little about.

It's well known that you can do pretty much anything on Linux that you can elsewhere. Games really are the only things you'd struggle with.

Exactly. Linux isn't as out-dated as those who have never used it make it out to be.

Exactly. Those who make fun of Linux for "not having anything" clearly haven't used the latest distros like Arch and Ubuntu. Linux is getting more and more polished, and even MS acknowledges it as a real threat to Windows.

Duplicate comment. Deleted.

Last edited by DanielZ on 08 Feb 2009 - 18:15

No, it hasn't.

You can do the ROUTINE things I mentioned above reliably with it. But in any professional business application or professional creative/graphics/content creation environment, there is no "suitable alternative" and it's laughable to say there is. GIMP, for example, is NOT even in the same league as Photoshop...period. Maya, LightWave 3D, Premiere, After Effects, AVID, the list goes on and on and on with NOTHING even close to professional grade available. Even if the programs can be rigged to work, there is the issue of plug-ins not compiled, etc. etc.

And no, Blender isn't even fit to be run as a plug-in for the application above.

And to claim that WINE works "pretty good" is neither accurate nor sufficient in ANY professional environment.

WINE might work well enough for hobbyists at home to play around with it...but any professional who relied on Wine or Linux to get the job done is a fool of the highest caliber.

To claim otherwise is just defensive posturing and self-fulfilling delusions. I'm sorry if that somehow breaks your bubble. But reality can do that sometimes.

Oh really? Many organizations, schools, and business uses Unix to control their servers are fools?

QFT.

90% of the world's servers run a Unix-based OS. In servers, those who use Windows Server are the fools.

Come on, I don't think he is disputing the power of Linux as a server OS.

You'd be surprised at how many people see Windows Server 2003 as better than Linux.

What those people need is a nice cup of STFU.

Prove that statistic, if you would be so kind.

Isn't this argument getting a little old? There's core business reasons why companies pick certain servers, not just this silly argument. Both systems handle IPSEC tunneling perfectly well, both systems quite happily run behind a decent firewall.

I think the core issue here is staff. Companies are willing to spend more cash on training staff on a Linux based server than they are on Windows. Linux is seen as (and is, at its base level) a more complex system to work with, whereas Windows is very much point and click for most tasks.

With that extra training however, comes a certain level of knowledge on how to secure a server against hacks. Average joe Windows server tech might have read the books, but because its deemed an easier system to work with will never have been instructed on the basic security that's required.

Both systems do the job equally well. There's plenty more issues here than 'ZOMG! Windows sux. Linux FTW!'

Let's assume UAC is on...

yeah as long as she is using a standard user account that wouldn't be so much of an issue.

Windows can be secured down as far as it needs to be secured, on each individual user account. It's just not something that average users ever touch. The Linux community is more tech savy in general, and is obviously happy with command line control of the system. 'Local Security Policy' in the mmc can heavily restrict users.

Windows just simplifies things (possibly too far), as they understand that a large majority of the users they have to cater for are consumers who do not understand high level security restrictions.

You don't have kids, do you?

You didn't say anything anyway. Of course it's NOT VERY easy and surely NOT EVERY 4yr old does it.

I dont know if this is staged or not. There are some pretty damn smart kids out there these days. I would be interested in seeing how this commercial was put together or just to know if it was staged or not.

True, they could have broken into her house and set up a hidden camera to catch her at it.

LOL

I think they're referring to how walled in Apple's approach to OS X is. Like you need a Mac to (legally) run OS X. You need the iPhone to run the mobile OS X on it. Etc.

or a sarcastic spin on "we design Macs for adults"

Jesus man, what the hell is wrong with you?

User Kylie4XOXO kicks the ass of Crysis. ))

He's shocked.

Maybe he's, oh I dunno, living his life outside the website? I mean, he doesn't have time to answer everyone who sits on the edge of their seat pressing F5 every 3 seconds.

And either way, who cares what he thinks about a commercial? Also, you guys bitch saying,"Hurr, this isn't about Apple, LTD!" but are generally the first to bring up the other company...

He's here around every 4-5 hours. This was posted about 12 hours ago. You are gonna say with the amount of crap he posts that he isnt gonna log in once and see this?

Correction: He was "Last Seen: 5th February 2009 - 14:00" so maybe hes busy (like all of us are at one point in the week).

Its not about that we care; Its about him caring. He will post anything negative related to Windows and boast about his Apple/OSX (granted he has improved lately)

And no. He is always the first one to bring in Apple in a Windows conversation.

Are you his disciple, his bitch or something? If this doesnt intrest YOU then dont comment or ignore it.

Last edited by mclaren05 on 08 Feb 2009 - 14:37

No, I just don't see how people who "hate" him so much to be so whooped on his response. No, he doesn't always bring Apple to the conversation. By you wanting him to be here to give his comments on it though, you're pretty much just looking for an argument. You're asking for Apple to be brought into this, as well as others. The story never mentioned Apple at all!

As for your last statement, grow up.

I'll say this again:

A few times I agree with his comments, others I think he's too 'preachy.' But never would I intentionally bait him into a thread, no matter how 'extreme' he sounds to some of you.

In case you haven't realized, both myself and dead.cell have disagreed with him many times and aren't his disciple or bitch.

You obiously don't know how to read or you just seem to read the things you want (This is point 1)

Like I said, he has improved lately (point 1)
And I dont want him here at all; I was just commenting that its strange he hasnt posted in here yet since he always seems to post in Windows related topics that have nothing to do with Apple.
A bunch of stories havent mentioned Apple yet he comes in here with his Apple glory. So thats ok but me asking about him in a nonApple Windows topic is wrong? Guess you must be the type of person that a guy hitting a girl is wrong but a girl hitting a guy he is just a pussy right? Double standards I call them.

My last statement was "If this doesnt intrest YOU then dont comment or ignore it." I should grow up because of that? (Point 1) I think you need to get your nose out of other people's business.


Of course he has posted in non tech threads and his ideas are OK and I agree with him. I have no problem with that.
I wasnt talking about you, I was talking about dead.cell who seems to defend him at every given chance lately.

I think LTD is recovering from shock after seeing the ad. He already took Prozac, so be patient guys!

If I don't want you here, guess what: I put up with it. Intentionally trying to create hostility on the website just because you don't like someone is no excuse. Saying that they've "improved" doesn't make your statement any better.

Secondly, my point on growing up had to do with the "bitch" statement you made. How suggesting you to stop worrying about others, especially a known troll, means I'm in favor of that person is beyond me. Perhaps you're just angry because I replied to you instead of the others above. I dunno, I was here, not there, so I clicked reply. My apologies if I offended you.

And as for "other people's business", perhaps you shouldn't post on a public forum if you don't want people to voice their concerns about what you say and/or yourself as a person.

Im just simply posting my opinion on a member's views of a certain topic. Im creating hostility? Ive created more hostility against antiVista members than LTD. I don't consider my statement bad at all so if you want to consider it bad, thats your problem



Exactly. You have NOTHING to do with this at all. I mean nothing. It would be like if there was a thread that said "Women only: Pick your favorite nailpolish" and you posted there saying "I dont like nailpolish". 1: You aint a woman (AFAIK) 2: If you don't like nailpolish, why the hell are you posting. And you are free to reply to anything, but trust me: I aint a member that just shuts up so I will reply to you


I don't give a.... ....about what people think of me as a person. They are all behind a screen typing on a keyboard. Noone knows anyone (there are exceptions of course) so you voicing your concerns and opinions about me is like putting them on paper: I wipe my ass with them

And take the nailpolish example: It is the same thing as sticking you nose in other people's business.

You're asking for the opinion of a known troll. Don't feed the trolls.

And don't forget the bluescreen(s) along the way.

Do you know that since XP it is nearly impossible for a user to see a bluescreen because his computer restarts automatically when it happens?

You = fail.

No, if the posters above had actually used Windows in the past few years, they'd know their comments are about as dated as parachute pants.

Oh wow. So now it restarts. How convenient. So they still have errors and failures, they just keep quiet about it and just restart.

And parachute pants are still in style, you young whippersnapper!

When did you last see a blue screen ?

But there aren't 38 steps or 3 wizards to e-mail that photo... It launches a new e-mail message with the photos already attached.

What the hell are you talking about?

Blue Screens are so 1999.

I would really love to see them pull that off, it would probably make me buy a mac as well...

I've got an even better idea. How about a sperm cell using the iPhone's GPS to find its way to the egg?
Apple- So simple that a sperm cell can use it

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

Almost every one I have met can, lol.

me too !
those kids are learning really fast now !

Sorry, you seem to be lost.

4chan is in the other direction.

Now who does that?? lol

Suspended I hope .