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Sam Alderwick   on 02 March 2009 - 17:58 · 63 comments & 18555 views

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In a press article today, NVIDIA announced that it has released new graphics drivers for Windows 7 Beta, which it says will be "the start of regular NVIDIA driver updates for the forthcoming operating system". The new drivers, released today, have support for the new Windows Display Driver Model (WDDM) v1.1 which is used in Windows 7 Beta. The new WDDM offers improved performance in both 2D and 3D applications.

The new GeForce drivers, version 181.71, are currently available from the NVIDIA website. "Our customers are demanding an experience that is faster and more visual, and with the addition of many new GPU-accelerated features, including DirectX Compute, we believe Windows 7 will be well positioned to meet those needs," said Dwight Diercks, vice president of software engineering at NVIDIA.

The early support for graphics drivers should increase customer confidence when Windows 7 is out on the shelves, and prevent the driver worries that customers had when Windows Vista was initially released. NVIDIA's drivers were noted for poor compatibility and performance when Vista was first released, and they are clearly aiming to avoid such issues again.

For those who have had a chance to try the Windows 7 Beta, what has your experience of it been? Have you had no driver issues at all, or have you been plagued with them? Let us know!

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(4 replies) #1 joemailey on 02 Mar 2009 - 18:34
It is good to see Nvidia is on the ball this time :-) Vista was a total mess when it came to Video Drivers.

As windows 7 is starting to look like one of the best OS's to date.
#1.1 PatrynXX on 02 Mar 2009 - 22:40
joemailey said,
It is good to see Nvidia is on the ball this time :-) Vista was a total mess when it came to Video Drivers.

As windows 7 is starting to look like one of the best OS's to date.

Still a toned down Vista no matter how you look at it.
#1.2 Raa on 02 Mar 2009 - 22:56
Vista was the total mess when it came out, it's only just starting to clean up now (IMO). Can't wait for Win7 to be out the door
#1.3 excalpius on 03 Mar 2009 - 00:45
@patrynXX, Windows 7 isn't "toned down" at all. Its tweaked, optimized, bug-fixed etc. So, looking at this any way anyone wants to, you're wrongo.
#1.4 Victor V. on 03 Mar 2009 - 16:31
PatrynXX said,
joemailey said,
It is good to see Nvidia is on the ball this time :-) Vista was a total mess when it came to Video Drivers.

As windows 7 is starting to look like one of the best OS's to date.

Still a toned down Vista no matter how you look at it.

No matter how you look at it. But that's probably because you never used it enough. I know I see huge improvements.

Just because there's no fancy new UI, it doesn't mean it's the same OS.
(2 replies) #2 undu on 02 Mar 2009 - 18:35
Seems that only 8xxx series and up get WDDM v1.1

I have a Geforce Go 7600, so there's no reason for me to update :/
#2.1 +NeoFlux on 02 Mar 2009 - 19:45
Again, people don't understand that WDDM v1.1 is for DirectX 10 graphics cards only.
#2.2 excalpius on 03 Mar 2009 - 00:46
The drivers also include bug fixes etc.
(2 replies) #3 tom5 on 02 Mar 2009 - 18:45
I've had issues - especially concerning the refresh rate on my CRT (unable to set it to a higher value - despite it is supported both by the display and the GPU-8800GT) and inconsistencies between Windows-own display settings and settings in Nvidia Control Panel. Changes made in the NvCP sometimes have not been reflected in Windows display settings and vice versa. There's a mess for sure there that needs attention.

Also, for unknown reasons, some display modes are not listed (resolution/color_depth/refresh_rate), despite being supported by the hardware. For example: for 1024x768 resolution mode I can currently only get 32bit color depth and 100 Hz refresh rate - no other modes. There are other modes (refresh rates/color depths) but for other resolutions. Need for Speed: Undercover won't run @100Hz so I can't run it at all at this resolution. This generally leads to a situation when a game running at a particular, unlisted mode won't find it (the OS won't report it as supported) and you're forced to play at another resolution than intended.
I have CRT connected to my secondary system and I'm wondering whether they test these drivers/ Windows 7 on CRTs at all?

Last edited by tom5 on 02 Mar 2009 - 20:15
#3.1 grewnd33 on 02 Mar 2009 - 21:09
Maybe, the problem is you are stilling using a CRT. Maybe you Can Replace This with a new LCD. Just kidding.
#3.2 tom5 on 03 Mar 2009 - 06:30
grewnd33: you're absolutely right (really!) - this would solve the problem for sure (because with LCDs there's no flickering problem so there would be no point searching for - lets say - 100Hz mode - I wouldn't need it) but this is not how it should be I'm using the notebook mainly so there's no rush to replace this crt yet.

And BTW: Need for Speed: Undercover stopped working after updating to this new 181.71 drivers: the game loads but there's no picture (black screen) for most of the time, I can hear sounds, sometimes the picture/menu appears but everything is extremely sloow. And in the end - when it loads completely and I'm on the road - it crashes. Crash report sent to MS.
(3 replies) #4 Sazz181 on 02 Mar 2009 - 19:05
Has anybody tried running games on Windows 7 yet? I'm interested in what the performance is like, even at Beta stage.
#4.1 IceBreakerG on 02 Mar 2009 - 19:47
I've been playing Roller Coaster Tycoon 3 (hey, it's a fun game lol) and World in Conflict. Both in a window, and both games run fine. There's a few slowdowns in WiC, but that's expected. Overall the performance is really good.
#4.2 Shadrack on 02 Mar 2009 - 21:27
Performance is about the same as it was in Windows Vista. I wouldn't expect any game performance leaps between Vista and Windows 7 come retail.
#4.3 mrmckeb on 03 Mar 2009 - 03:59
Yeah it's definately no less than Vista, but we need to wait for everythign to come out of beta (drivers and the OS) before an accurate comparision can be made.
(2 replies) #5 +Chsoriano on 02 Mar 2009 - 19:13
Sazz181 said,
Has anybody tried running games on Windows 7 yet? I'm interested in what the performance is like, even at Beta stage.


most newer games run fine, if not better than XP and even Vista. (Games for me have typically run better on Vista) But I did see a nice framerate increase in GTA IV and Crysis in Windows 7. I also had problems on Vista with The Witcher:EE, but it worked fine in Windows 7.

Specs:
Intel Q9450 @ 3.4Ghz
8gb DDR2-PC6400 RAM
Radeon HD 4870 X2
#5.1 Raa on 02 Mar 2009 - 22:57
Games for me have been almost always better on XP than Vista. From what i've seen Win7 should be a kicker though!!
#5.2 excalpius on 03 Mar 2009 - 00:48
I get SMOOTHER performance in Vista on all games, and I play competitively. It handles threading of sound with graphics with physics, etc. MUCH better than Vista and I expect Windows 7 to be even more polished in this regard.
(5 replies) #6 eilegz on 02 Mar 2009 - 19:21
any geforce 4 MX drivers support?

#6.1 SharpGreen on 02 Mar 2009 - 19:31
if they no longer support the much newer FX series..then I really doubt there will be any new drivers for the geforce 4 series.
#6.2 Xenomorph on 02 Mar 2009 - 20:39
GeForce 4, really?

It wasn't supported under Vista. Why would it be supported under something newer?
#6.3 eilegz on 02 Mar 2009 - 21:56
well vista was a fail in compatibility and performance something that windows 7 seems to fix
#6.4 waruikoohii on 02 Mar 2009 - 22:00
7 is just as compatible as Vista, eilegz. And it's quite fast here. Indeed, benchmarks show it to be about as fast as XP.
#6.5 +xiphi on 02 Mar 2009 - 23:21
Why would anyone even be using a GeForce 4 MX anyway?
#7 Sazz181 on 02 Mar 2009 - 19:34
eilegz said,
any geforce 4 MX drivers support?


I don't think so. You can find the full list of supported products here, on the NVIDIA download page (32-bit).
(3 replies) #8 RageOfFury on 02 Mar 2009 - 20:09
Excellent news! Looks like nvidia has learn from it's Vista mistakes.

GeForce Driver Release 181 BETA
Version: 181.71
Release Date: March 03, 2009
Operating System: Windows 7 (64-bit)
Language: International
File Size: 110 MB

Nvidia has a time travel machine!!
#8.1 BrainDedd on 02 Mar 2009 - 20:41
w00t ... time travel!
#8.2 Digix on 02 Mar 2009 - 20:47
RageOfFury said,
Excellent news! Looks like nvidia has learn from it's Vista mistakes.

GeForce Driver Release 181 BETA
Version: 181.71
Release Date: March 03, 2009
Operating System: Windows 7 (64-bit)
Language: International
File Size: 110 MB

Nvidia has a time travel machine!!


Based on asia/pacific time rather then US which is day behind us.
Digix on 03 Mar 2009 - 09:47
for example i'm in NZ GMT+12

As for learning from their mistakes i dunno drivers so far haven't been that great beta or not ATi's ones have been solid as.
#8.3 +Xerxes on 03 Mar 2009 - 02:47
I can vouch that Nvidia have in fact learned from their mistakes. Another problem back in the Vista days were the beta drivers (and even some WHQL signed drivers) would crash all the damn time for no reason, giving that infamous error message. Haven't experienced any of that in 7, rock solid for me and that alone is a massive improvement over their early Vista drivers.
(1 reply) #9 MrWhistler on 02 Mar 2009 - 20:46
so these are not digitally signed cause Windows 7 is still beta? am I correct in that or up the creek.......
#9.1 sialivi on 03 Mar 2009 - 00:16
MrWhistler said,
so these are not digitally signed cause Windows 7 is still beta? am I correct in that or up the creek.......


They are not signed because the drivers are beta
#10 theslam08 on 02 Mar 2009 - 21:12
im running 7022, and a presario us755 notebook, and i have to say the games are not that bad. I have currently tried various drivers now, though it would seem the original notebook drivers (specific for this laptop [older drivers]) under nvidia i was able to clock up a bit using ntune. but now since i have tried other more up to date drivers (now up to 181.79 I believe) i cannot up the clock or mem., which su.cks but performance is alright.

i have played these games without too much flaw, though settings are completely down or otherwise its just a bog.
-all nfs games, they all work
-thps4
-fear2
-qake3
-doom3

all on a crappy nforce 610m or 7000m. i would say not too bad. i also think it helps that 7 keeps the processes down to a bare minimum. there are like a max of 'minimum' processes running (7 or 8 ). vista i believe was different. 7 is how vista should have been, and i have had no problems yet. excellent work this time around indeed!
(3 replies) #11 Gotenks98 on 02 Mar 2009 - 21:23
None of this matters, what I want to know is what they going to support after it goes live. I was highly ****ed my fx series card wasnt supported past the RTM drivers with vista when the card is fully capable of doing aero and other things. I bet they going to drop support again for a bunch of cards when windows 7 goes RTM.
#11.1 +majortom1981 on 02 Mar 2009 - 23:13
7 will support any card that was supported in vista non direct x 10 cards will be wddm 1.0 not wddm 1.1
#11.2 excalpius on 03 Mar 2009 - 00:50
Indeed. Vista was an entirely new kernel and driver model. It took all the major hardware vendors a lot of work to get with the program there. Windows 7 is just the Vista kernel with tweaks, so no worries there.

In other words, you paid the painful price with Vista, so you won't have to with Windows 7.
#11.3 Gotenks98 on 03 Mar 2009 - 05:03
As I said before, until its RTM we dont know for sure what they will do. I still think they will find a way to screw with the folks who bought anything less than a 9xxx series card.
#12 +Xerxes on 02 Mar 2009 - 21:29
Good to see Nvidia actually care this time they really let us down with Vista, I know part of the reason was most of their customers still used XP and wouldn't upgrade to Vista due to dodgy drivers, but did Nvidia ever stop to think why back then? (guess they have now though! )
(3 replies) #13 luis mazza on 02 Mar 2009 - 21:41
Give me a good reason to update to Win 7 native drivers when the last Vista ones are faster?
#13.1 PrEzi on 02 Mar 2009 - 21:46
Windows 7 will feature WDDM v1.1; the details of this new version were unveiled at WinHEC 2008. New features include:
-Return of 2D GUI hardware acceleration for use by GDI and Direct2D
-BitBlt, StretchBlt, TransparentBlt
-AlphaBlend, ColorFill
-ClearType font support
-DXVA-HD DDI
-Hardware video overlay DDI
-Optional AES 128 encryption
-Optional decoding of encrypted video content
#13.2 luis mazza on 02 Mar 2009 - 22:35
Thank you, but now it all seems to be unimportant compared to games performance. The new drivers are not overclockable nor faster than the last ones for Vista. The Win7 rating also decreases with the new drivers. I wonder if that´s sooo hard to duplicate the performance from the Vista drivers and add new features at the same time.
#13.3 random_n on 03 Mar 2009 - 00:14
The original set of nVidia driver for Windows 7 were from the old 179.xx series of drivers, while these new ones are 181.xx. I've not run benchmarks, but I expect these drivers should perform much more comparably with the Vista drivers in games, and will have superior performance in the Windows GUI.
#14 Solixis on 02 Mar 2009 - 21:47
Anyone know when the notebook versions of these drivers is going to be released?
(2 replies) #15 Gabe3 on 02 Mar 2009 - 21:49
wish punkbuster worked on Win7, I guess evenbalance won't add support till it goes RTM.
#15.1 excalpius on 03 Mar 2009 - 00:53
I think punkbuster is going the way of Quake Live, and it works on everything so far. So I have high hopes that code will migrate elsewhere one day. Evenbalance has been HORRIBLY negligent in not supporting 64 bit operating systems. Really inexcusable.
#15.2 yakumo on 03 Mar 2009 - 01:50
Gabe3 said,
wish punkbuster worked on Win7, I guess evenbalance won't add support till it goes RTM.
Punkbuster works perfectly for me with QuakeLive. Others haven't been so lucky, but that's not a win7 problem, the same problem is being reported on all win OS's.
#16 +0sm3l on 02 Mar 2009 - 22:22
Can't load windows anymore... yay.. time to restore
(1 reply) #17 DooGie on 02 Mar 2009 - 22:36
Pleased to see this from nVidia. I've tried a few games on 7, COD4, Crysis and Far Cry 2 mainly. Single player runs fine for me but as Gabe3 posted, the PB issue is a pain if you try MP online.
I get kicked by PB within a couple of minutes for "unknown Windows API function"
Evenbalance just say they don't support beta OS.
imho they should make the effort on such a widely used beta, surely it's in their own interests.
#17.1 s1k3sT on 03 Mar 2009 - 03:08
DooGie said,
Pleased to see this from nVidia. I've tried a few games on 7, COD4, Crysis and Far Cry 2 mainly. Single player runs fine for me but as Gabe3 posted, the PB issue is a pain if you try MP online.
I get kicked by PB within a couple of minutes for "unknown Windows API function"
Evenbalance just say they don't support beta OS.
imho they should make the effort on such a widely used beta, surely it's in their own interests.

Is it only certain people having problems or what? Because I play COD4 on punkbuster servers with 7 beta all the time and never get kicked...
(3 replies) #18 Vakerorokero on 02 Mar 2009 - 23:50
Anyone knows it's this fixes all the dual monitor problems Windows 7 had? I had to go back to vista for that simple reason.

Anyone using W7 as their main desktop?
#18.1 excalpius on 03 Mar 2009 - 00:54
I haven't tested W7 on my dual/tri/quad monitor computers. What problems did you see?
#18.2 mrmckeb on 03 Mar 2009 - 04:01
I use it as my main OS, but yeah not with multi monitors.
#18.3 Victor V. on 03 Mar 2009 - 16:37
I used twice. The Projetor mode (Win+P) totally rocks for dual monitors. I found no issues. More than 2 monitors I haven't used.
(3 replies) #19 liemfukliang on 03 Mar 2009 - 00:21
Why only Geforce 8 support WDDM 1.1 . Geforce 6 and 7 still 1.0. If it is for CUDA I can accept that it is supported only Geforce 8 and up, but WDDM 1.1?
#19.1 +micwa on 03 Mar 2009 - 00:30
liemfukliang said,
Why only Geforce 8 support WDDM 1.1 . Geforce 6 and 7 still 1.0. If it is for CUDA I can accept that it is supported only Geforce 8 and up, but WDDM 1.1?


WDDM 1.1 is for DirectX 10.
#19.2 liemfukliang on 03 Mar 2009 - 03:34
If ATI can do all WDDM 1.1 from DX 9 than bye bye Nvidia.....
#19.3 liemfukliang on 03 Mar 2009 - 04:04
If wonder if Windows update provide WDDM 1.1 for Nvidia Geforce 6 and 7 )
(1 reply) #20 +Xerxes on 03 Mar 2009 - 02:34
Are there any laptop WDDM 1.1 drivers yet? (9500M GS here) and are there any differences when running on WDDM 1.0 vs WDDM 1.1? my current test machine uses WDDM 1.0 (7600GT) but I'm considering trying it out on my more modern laptop (with said 9 series GPU).
#20.1 liemfukliang on 03 Mar 2009 - 03:32
Try search in http://laptopvideo2go.com/. In dell you can get 173.23 (not 173.24) WHQL that support WDDM 1.1. Other manufactur I don't know just browse that site. Recommended search for WHQL.
(1 reply) #21 l33txp on 03 Mar 2009 - 03:19
Anyone else having the issue with your refresh rate not working properly? I'm stuck at 60Hz and am used to 75Hz...
#21.1 iamwhoiam on 03 Mar 2009 - 05:20
I'm stuck at at 60Hz as well as loosing 3 resolutions. 1280x1024, 1680x1050 and 1920x1200. I don't use any resolution lower than 1920x1200 so it's time to revert back.
#22 CyberWolf on 03 Mar 2009 - 22:14
I lost about 40+ FPS in Left 4 Dead at the exact same settings. The Vista drivers are far better for performance, I did notice that the Restricted Kernal mode error I would get is gone.
#23 buzz99 on 04 Mar 2009 - 11:35
This driver just made windows 7 unbootable on my rig (vid card is onboard GeForce 7050 PV) on x64. Installed vista x64 driver and everything is now fine...hmmm.
#24 DOOOMKULTUS on 04 Mar 2009 - 13:37
This is messed up,it made me forceware version revert to 179.xx (weired). Had to go back to 181.22

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