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Microsoft launches MSN Video Player, streaming TV shows [UK]

Tom Warren   on 30 July 2009 - 08:26 · 34 comments & 6020 views

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Microsoft has taken the covers off its latest venture into the video on demand market with the launch of MSN Video Player.

MSN Video Player will be available exclusively in the UK and will offer over 300 hours of free content from both BBC worldwide and producer All3Media, responsible for shows like peep show and shameless. Microsoft will be running a 6 month trial of the player during which time Ashley Highfield, Microsoft's managing director and vice president of consumer and online, claims that the company has sold out of its advertising space to fund the MSN Video Player.

The idea behind the video player is not to compete with the BBC's iPlayer or Channel 4's OD but to complement the services and offering backdated programming. In an interview with the BBC Microsoft's Highfield claims "we cover everything from a few months ago to a few years ago. This is bringing all the programs together in one place. It's going to be a one stop shop for recent and older classic British television."

As the service won't be fully available until next week it remains to be seen exactly how good the service is. Programs will be streamed in flash or using Microsoft's Windows Media Video (WMV). Strangely Microsoft is not planning to use its own Silverlight technology and will not be applying DRM to the streams. As the service is advertising funded, adverts will run before clips start streaming. Microsoft plans to roll the service out to the Xbox 360, Windows Mobile and living room TV screens (via IPTV) if the service proves popular.


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(8 replies) #1 E.Fahd on 30 Jul 2009 - 08:37
Flash or WMV plugin ? Why ?
#1.1 Pabs(Sco) on 30 Jul 2009 - 08:40
DRM probably, to stop the ability of keeping the downloads.
#1.2 E.Fahd on 30 Jul 2009 - 08:42
I was more like "They should use Silverlight". It's their technology, they should be pushing it.
#1.3 ThomMcK on 30 Jul 2009 - 08:50
This definitely looks bad for Silverlight. Isn't HD streaming meant to be one of the only things it can do better than flash?
#1.4 MightyJordan on 30 Jul 2009 - 08:53
E.Fahd said,
I was more like "They should use Silverlight". It's their technology, they should be pushing it.

Yeah, it's weird they're not pushing it as much as I thought they would, as it's a brilliant Flash alternative. I'm guessing they're easing off pushing it all over the place so people don't accuse them of trying to corner the market again.
#1.5 The Stylish Hobo on 30 Jul 2009 - 10:49
I'm guessing they aren't using it because they want MSN Video Player to be popular, and if they use a very unpopular plugin, then the chances of MSN Video Player gaining widespread use will be severely cut.

Also, I thought they were trying to get rid of the whole "MSN" brand.
#1.6 Majesticmerc on 30 Jul 2009 - 11:34
The Stylish Hobo said,
I'm guessing they aren't using it because they want MSN Video Player to be popular, and if they use a very unpopular plugin, then the chances of MSN Video Player gaining widespread use will be severely cut.

Also, I thought they were trying to get rid of the whole "MSN" brand.


I wouldn't say that the SL plugin is unpopular, especially given that its offered through Windows Update. Its also possible that the BBC requested the use of flash to complement the use of flash in the iPlayer. It could be confusing to users if they watched a program on iPlayer one day using Flash, but then had to download Silverlight to watch previous episodes on MSN.

I don't think they are "getting rid" of the MSN brand, just branching it off as an "Entertainment" site.

Products = *Microsoft.com
Services = *.Live.com
Entertainment = *.msn.com

Last edited by Majesticmerc on 30 Jul 2009 - 11:41
#1.7 +TCLN Ryster on 30 Jul 2009 - 12:05
Pabs(Sco) said,
DRM probably, to stop the ability of keeping the downloads.

Maybe you missed the "and will not be applying DRM to the streams" part?
#1.8 GP007 on 30 Jul 2009 - 14:16
I think it has more to do with the fact the BBC vids are in flash already? To save time and money they decided to go with flash for this trial, maybe going over to silverlight needed more work and re-encoding?
(1 reply) #2 cerealfreak on 30 Jul 2009 - 08:54
Because it's being shown in the UK the BBC will have stipulations as to what DRM protection they can use, all UK TV licence holders are allowed free content to all UK shows hosted/Streamed within the UK For once the TV licence could be finally worth paying for.
#2.1 +DonC on 30 Jul 2009 - 09:50
cerealfreak said,
For once the TV licence could be finally worth paying for.

I'm still getting over the shock, but I think I agree.
(1 reply) #3 Antaris on 30 Jul 2009 - 08:58
Strangely Microsoft is not planning to use its own Silverlight technology and will not be applying DRM to the streams.


^ Did you guys not read the article?
#3.1 lee26 on 30 Jul 2009 - 09:10
Exactly what I was thinking.
#4 Minimoose on 30 Jul 2009 - 09:08
If they used silverlight it would be awesome.
(6 replies) #5 WooHoo!!! on 30 Jul 2009 - 10:20
Sounds like another own goal for MSN. No Silverlight, get a clue MSN team.
#5.1 ~Johnny on 30 Jul 2009 - 10:39
Well frankly it doesn't matter much as both WMV & Silverlight streams would be more-or-less using the same codec, the only difference being you wouldn't have to download Silverlight. So unless they wanted to implement smooth streaming, there's not really too much point.

And flash is probably only being offered as an alternative for Linux & Mac users without Windows Media Player, so replacing that with Silverlight is a no go at the mo.
#5.2 Pauleh on 30 Jul 2009 - 11:10
~Johnny said,
And flash is probably only being offered as an alternative for Linux & Mac users without Windows Media Player, so replacing that with Silverlight is a no go at the mo.


Except that Silverlight is cross platform.
#5.3 Silverskull on 30 Jul 2009 - 11:59
Pauleh said,
Except that Silverlight is cross platform.

With Windows and Mac, yes. Linux support is behind those versions because it's not developed directly by Microsoft.
#5.4 GP007 on 30 Jul 2009 - 14:18
Moonlight is up to v2.0 last I checked? Sure no 3.0 support yet, but 3.0 is very new anyways.
#5.5 ~Johnny on 30 Jul 2009 - 16:57
GP007 said,
Moonlight is up to v2.0 last I checked? Sure no 3.0 support yet, but 3.0 is very new anyways.


There's a buggy 1.0 release, and an early preview release of 2.0. Neither are fully polished upto the standards of their Windows counterparts at any rate.
#5.6 Joshie on 31 Jul 2009 - 02:47
I don't see why whether or not a Linux version exists should be a factor. It's an extremely small share of the desktop market, and many Linux users use wine or virtualization software anyway.
(1 reply) #6 timelimit on 30 Jul 2009 - 11:31
or they're simply going to stick with the flash/wmp route until they build up a big enough userbase and then switch to silverlight at a later date. That would allow them to hit as many people as possible in the beginning, and when the the site proved popular enough they could upgrade to using silverlight 'in order to provide the best possible service/quality' yada yada. I think alot of users would then be willing to install the silverlight plugin if they had become quite partial to the service.
#6.1 Omen1393 on 30 Jul 2009 - 12:04
timelimit said,
or they're simply going to stick with the flash/wmp route until they build up a big enough userbase and then switch to silverlight at a later date. That would allow them to hit as many people as possible in the beginning, and when the the site proved popular enough they could upgrade to using silverlight 'in order to provide the best possible service/quality' yada yada. I think alot of users would then be willing to install the silverlight plugin if they had become quite partial to the service.


My thoughts exactly.

Also they need to change the logo for MSN, it seems so 90s
#7 Kushan on 30 Jul 2009 - 12:07
Awesome! Can't wait for this to come to the 360, it'd compliment sky just perfectly as Sky doesn't have the iplayer.
(3 replies) #8 powerade01 on 30 Jul 2009 - 12:55
Its the UK. What do you expect?

If it was US, then it would be no doubt named Windows Live Video Player (or something similar) and it would use Silverlight.
#8.1 Glendi on 30 Jul 2009 - 14:22
"Windows Live is the collective brand name for a set of services and software products from Microsoft. A majority of these services are Web applications, accessible from a browser, but there are also applications that need to be installed. There are three ways in which Windows Live services are offered: Windows Live Essentials applications, web services, and mobile services."

Learn before talking.
#8.2 powerade01 on 31 Jul 2009 - 02:46
Glendi said,
"Windows Live is the collective brand name for a set of services and software products from Microsoft. A majority of these services are Web applications, accessible from a browser, but there are also applications that need to be installed. There are three ways in which Windows Live services are offered: Windows Live Essentials applications, web services, and mobile services."

Learn before talking.


Think before you post.

Either that or you are from the UK.

#8.3 Majesticmerc on 31 Jul 2009 - 12:24
Streaming isn't a web service, a web service is something along the lines of Live mesh, where the web provides a service to assist you. Streaming video is just up-front content.

Besides, video has always come under the MSN brand. Its got nothing to do with the UK.
(1 reply) #9 nevann on 30 Jul 2009 - 14:03
Why not use open video?
#9.1 Septimus on 30 Jul 2009 - 15:53
It's not very good yet and this is MS. Silverlight would still be the best option.
#10 +what on 30 Jul 2009 - 17:00
Could've done with a more exciting name, and 300 hours of content really isn't that much when you consider how much crap we get over here as well.
#11 kevcampbell on 30 Jul 2009 - 17:37
cool, when will it be released?
#12 IntelliMoo on 30 Jul 2009 - 22:42
Uninstalling Silverlight (again). LMAO ms
#13 SuperHans on 31 Jul 2009 - 15:21
I think they should ditch the MSN brand.

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