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Microsoft confirms no Windows 7 restrictions on netbooks

Andrew Lyle   on 28 September 2009 - 17:47 · 60 comments & 8573 views

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Microsoft announced that they have removed the netbook restrictions that previously prevented OEM and ODM from installing any version of Windows 7 on their netbook. The lifted restriction means OEM and ODM can install Windows 7 starter on a netbook, and that the three application restriction has been removed as per consumer's request.

"OEMs and ODMs have the choice to install any version of Windows on a netbook," a Microsoft UK spokesperson said. "[But] Starter is an entry version and doesn't have many of the consumer or business features. The three application limit isn't there anymore."

Windows 7 Starter and Home Basic variety only come in 32bit versions and are missing a variation of features from the higher end versions. Some of the features missing from Windows 7 Starter include:
  • Aero Glass
  • Taskbar Preview
  • Aero Peek
  • Desktop personalization
  • Fast user switching
  • Multi-monitor support
  • DVD playback
  • Support for domains and XP Mode
  • Windows Media Center

Home Basic also lacks some key Windows 7 features including Aero, Taskbar Preview, Internet Connection Sharing and some other features. Windows 7 Home Basic will not be sold in the US, Europe and other established markets, while Windows 7 Starter will be available through OEM.

Retail stores and manufactures will be able to strip some of the cost off their netbooks using Windows 7 Starter or Home Basic. Microsoft will now have two entry level SKU versions of Windows 7 in some markets.

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(2 replies) #1 leo221 on 28 Sep 2009 - 18:02
i'm already running win7 rtm on lenovo s10 for months
#1.1 +Odom on 28 Sep 2009 - 20:43
You make it sound like half a year or so, even though RTM is not even out for two months...
#1.2 ccoltmanm on 28 Sep 2009 - 21:56
Odom said,
You make it sound like half a year or so, even though RTM is not even out for two months...


"month's'" means more than 1. So, yes, two would work.
(4 replies) #2 +Phantom Helix™ on 28 Sep 2009 - 18:06
Yeah this seems like really old news
#2.1 Andrew Lyle on 28 Sep 2009 - 18:08
Microsoft just confirmed it officially last week, the story was a little late, but reports started breaking out today.
#2.2 +Phantom Helix™ on 28 Sep 2009 - 18:33
Andrew Lyle said,
Microsoft just confirmed it officially last week, the story was a little late, but reports started breaking out today.


Ahh I see, Gotchya
#2.3 Slimy on 28 Sep 2009 - 19:17
Phantom Helix? said,
Yeah this seems like really old news

Yep, Microsoft confirmed all editions of Windows 7 will work fine on netbooks in February 2009: http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2009...ok-question.ars
#2.4 +Brandon Live on 28 Sep 2009 - 21:18
It's not a matter of working, that's been known all along. Previously, Started was only licensable for machine under a certain set of specifications, designed to limit its use to the cheapest of netbooks. Now it's available for use on any hardware apparently.
(6 replies) #3 Frylock86 on 28 Sep 2009 - 18:22
Been running Win7 Pro on my Asus EEE PC for almost a year now. Absolutely amazing!
#3.1 cakesy on 29 Sep 2009 - 00:00
Oh, I have been running it on my iphone for 3 years, it is brilliant.

But seriously, ever test I have seen shows W7 slower than XP, sure it is faster than Vista, but that ain't saying much. I understand the new interface is an improvement, but does it really matter on a
#3.2 FidgetyMo on 29 Sep 2009 - 02:30
gotta say.. its faster than xp on my eee pc 1000he.. especially with 4gb SD card for readyboost and 2gb ram.
#3.3 DJ Dennis on 29 Sep 2009 - 04:00
cakesy said,
Oh, I have been running it on my iphone for 3 years, it is brilliant.

But seriously, ever test I have seen shows W7 slower than XP, sure it is faster than Vista, but that ain't saying much. I understand the new interface is an improvement, but does it really matter on a


Windows 3.1 is way faster than XP, so does that make it the god OS?
#3.4 FrozenEclipse on 29 Sep 2009 - 04:16
cakesy said,
But seriously, ever test I have seen shows W7 slower than XP, sure it is faster than Vista, but that ain't saying much. I understand the new interface is an improvement, but does it really matter on a


Here's your problem. You're relying on 3rd party benchmarks too much, which is a common yet fairly stupid way of gauging performance of something. Try it yourself and see.
#3.5 REM2000 on 29 Sep 2009 - 08:12
in practice i would say that Windows 7 is on par and in some places faster than xp due to it's better memory management and use of memory for disk / io caching.
#3.6 +dead.cell on 29 Sep 2009 - 14:52
I'd say simply for the features found in Windows 7 alone, you'll be saving time in not having to perform those extra clicks navigating or spending so much time trying to do some of those simple tasks.

Remember, benchmarks can only measure so much.
(1 reply) #4 roadwarrior on 28 Sep 2009 - 18:30
So, in other words, for the vast majority of their market, nothing has changed? They still won't sell the Starter edition or Home Basic in the US or Europe.

At first glance, it appears that they WILL be selling those two editiion everywhere, but then you get to the end, it says they won't sell them here. Which is it?
#4.1 Rolith on 28 Sep 2009 - 18:36
I'm going to guess we're not going to see starter except on very very few devices...

home basic on devices that otherwise would still be shipping with XP... but nothing "modern" (even eee pcs have dedicated graphics chips, even if they're intel based and share ram - still would benefit from aero-based Desktop rendering) so it's very unlikely we'll be seeing nearly any home basics as well.. I'm getting the feeling like Microsoft's going to heavily discourage this on the OEM level, weather it gets traction is another story, though, we'll have to wait till next month to have any real idea.
(1 reply) #5 HalcyonX12 on 28 Sep 2009 - 18:36
The "Contact Us" button on the main page doesn't seem to work, but here goes:

I find it confusing that on the bottom of your main page, "Previous" is on the right side, and "Next" is on the left side. Isn't that a bit backwards? Everything else (browsers, installers, wizards, etc) uses a left arrow for "Back" and a right arrow for "Forwards".
#5.1 episode on 28 Sep 2009 - 18:44
HalcyonX12 said,
The "Contact Us" button on the main page doesn't seem to work, but here goes:

I find it confusing that on the bottom of your main page, "Previous" is on the right side, and "Next" is on the left side. Isn't that a bit backwards? Everything else (browsers, installers, wizards, etc) uses a left arrow for "Back" and a right arrow for "Forwards".


No, it makes sense. Previous as in 'previous stories before these'. The words should probably be different 'earlier' and 'later', though.
(2 replies) #6 lordcanti86 on 28 Sep 2009 - 18:36
Didn't they say this back in....I dunno...June?
#6.1 Kyang on 28 Sep 2009 - 18:58
lordcanti86 said,
Didn't they say this back in....I dunno...June?


The response to the 2nd comment in this thread addresses this.
#6.2 m.keeley on 28 Sep 2009 - 21:21
If by June you mean....I dunno....last week, then yes.
(2 replies) #7 burnblue on 28 Sep 2009 - 18:59
users can install Windows 7 starter on a netbook

No they can't. "OEMs and ODMs" can.

Anyone could have told you that Microsoft had no intention of preventing netbooks from being installed with the higher versions of Windows that have the better profit margin. The only restrictions I'd heard of before was how crappy a netbook had to be to qualify for Starter.. that restriction may be gone now, which is probably easier for everybody.
#7.1 roadwarrior on 28 Sep 2009 - 19:07
This entire article doesn't seem to make much sense, and also seems to contradict itself.
#7.2 +shinji257 on 29 Sep 2009 - 19:35
Yep. OEM and ODM only for sure. I have a technet subscription and I was heavily surprised when it listed my key type as OEM for Win 7 Starter.
(3 replies) #8 Vernon de Goede on 28 Sep 2009 - 19:00
What is the difference between "Aero" and "Aero Glass"?
#8.1 .Neo on 28 Sep 2009 - 19:08
Aero Glass is the transparent effect.
#8.2 tonyunreal on 28 Sep 2009 - 21:00
Aero looks similar to Aero Glass, but lack the transparency in window borders and other special effects(e.g. the 3d win+tab interface).
#8.3 +Brandon Live on 28 Sep 2009 - 23:41
Technically what they're trying to distinguish, it seems, is the Windows Aero visual style from the "Windows 7 Standard" visual style. They are identical except that the latter doesn't have the transparency option. It's still "glass" - and you can replicate its look with the Windows Aero style by disabling transparency. "Windows 7 Standard" only exists on the "Home Basic" SKU. It would be redundant on SKUs with Aero.

It is not to be confused with "Basic" or "Classic" (non-composited) visual styles.
(8 replies) #9 .Neo on 28 Sep 2009 - 19:10
It's still a complete joke you can't change the desktop picture on Windows 7 Starter.
#9.1 Andrew Lyle on 28 Sep 2009 - 19:21
No no, it is the dynamic desktop personalization.. the changing background effects. Windows 7 Home basic and starter can only have a static background image you need to manually change.
#9.2 dagamer34 on 28 Sep 2009 - 19:24
Why would anyone want starter in the first place?
#9.3 .Neo on 28 Sep 2009 - 20:33
Andrew Lyle said,
No no, it is the dynamic desktop personalization.. the changing background effects. Windows 7 Home basic and starter can only have a static background image you need to manually change.

At first it was impossible to change the desktop picture on Windows 7 Starter, they've changed this?
#9.4 Andrew Lyle on 28 Sep 2009 - 20:54
.Neo said,
At first it was impossible to change the desktop picture on Windows 7 Starter, they've changed this?

It doesn't have desktop personalization feature so no. There is a manual over ride I have seen, if it works or not, that I don't know, but I have seen guides.
#9.5 .Neo on 28 Sep 2009 - 22:42
So my first post still stands.
#9.6 helios01 on 29 Sep 2009 - 02:27
dagamer34 said,
Why would anyone want starter in the first place?

Possibly for use of less resources, memory, processing power, etc. Maybe it's slightly faster since it doesn't do as much.
#9.7 +shinji257 on 29 Sep 2009 - 19:36
I have seen someone try to override the background but apparently they have it hashed elsewhere and that hash is digitally signed so replacing it won't be easy for sure. Not even the OEMs or ODMs can replace the background (you know for branding and stuff).
#9.8 _dandy_ on 30 Sep 2009 - 12:46
.Neo said,
It's still a complete joke you can't change the desktop picture on Windows 7 Starter.


What is a complete joke is that some consider this a "limitation". I guess I've been artificially "limiting" myself to a solid black desktop since Windows 3.0.

Either way, my desktop is always covered in windows. If I wanted to look at pretty pictures, I'd buy a picture frame.
#10 LUTZIFER on 28 Sep 2009 - 20:33
Been running Windows 7 Ultimate on my Acer Aspire One d150 Netbook for quite some time now, everything enabled and it absolutely flies, and is very stable. Even performs better than the Windows XP did.
(2 replies) #11 Foxxx428 on 28 Sep 2009 - 20:48
Remove ei.cfg from your x64 dvd and Home Basic is there yet it isn't on Technet. I never even noticed that until I saw this article.
#11.1 FrozenEclipse on 29 Sep 2009 - 00:40
Foxxx428 said,
Remove ei.cfg from your x64 dvd and Home Basic is there yet it isn't on Technet. I never even noticed that until I saw this article.


Microsoft probably realized that no one in their right mind would be running Home Basic x64.
#11.2 +shinji257 on 29 Sep 2009 - 19:37
Home Basic 64-bit won't be making it to the retail market so officially it is only available as 32-bit but yea I noticed that when I did a sku check on the discs. I have bootable 32-bit and 64-bit DVDs now that I can use for any edition (except enterprise).
(2 replies) #12 ShadowXhawk on 28 Sep 2009 - 21:19
Does anyone know if the Starter and Home Basic editions consume less resources on a netbook than the other editions would (Ultimate/Business, etc.) ?
#12.1 +Inertia on 28 Sep 2009 - 21:57
I think its safe to assume that less features ~= less resources.
#12.2 poind on 29 Sep 2009 - 01:25
Since Starter and Basic automatically disable features like Aero they would.

You could manually disable the same things that consume resources in the other editions though (like Aero, taskbar previews, etc.).
(1 reply) #13 +Nightwind Hawk on 28 Sep 2009 - 22:41
Wow, now it sounds like a real OS. DVD playback doesn't matter as netbooks don't really have drives... could you still use another program though if you did?
#13.1 +shinji257 on 29 Sep 2009 - 19:38
I don't see why not. I think it is just saying it has no included functionality for that.
#14 Solid Knight on 29 Sep 2009 - 01:23
So I guess all the Linux zealots will have to change their stories.
(2 replies) #15 cork1958 on 29 Sep 2009 - 03:20
Those things that are removed already, I would've removed or disabled instantly anyway!

Who needs some pretty Aero crap, Taskbar Preview, Aero Peek, Desktop personalization, Fast user switching, Multi-monitor support, or DVD playback?

Well, the multi monitor support would've been alright.
#15.1 FrozenEclipse on 29 Sep 2009 - 04:18
cork1958 said,
Those things that are removed already, I would've removed or disabled instantly anyway!

Who needs some pretty Aero crap, Taskbar Preview, Aero Peek, Desktop personalization, Fast user switching, Multi-monitor support, or DVD playback?

Well, the multi monitor support would've been alright.


Aero is faster than a CPU rendered UI, but to each his own.
#15.2 +shinji257 on 29 Sep 2009 - 19:39
It used to eat up a fair amount of cpu power so some people would switch over to the classic theme. In Windows 7 that issue has been eliminated IMO.
(1 reply) #16 AUSSIE_FLOYD_FAN on 29 Sep 2009 - 05:29
Kinda sucks no multi monitor support.. That might work on something like the Sony viao p but what about most 99.99% netbooks that have a VGA port? When I had
my
netbook I used it 2 ways on the road with me then when
I was at home I connected it to a monitor and keyboard mouse it's a desktop that weighs 2 pounds and I can take it with me

But to each his own I guess they figure of
you're geeky enough to own a netbook you'll know hownto get ultimate on it with all the house partys
#16.1 Andrew Lyle on 29 Sep 2009 - 06:57
AUSSIE_FLOYD_FAN said,
Kinda sucks no multi monitor support.. That might work on something like the Sony viao p but what about most 99.99% netbooks that have a VGA port?

I've never seen a level entry user want / know what dual-monitor is. Most people who see my setup are confused how two monitors work.
(1 reply) #17 Antaris on 29 Sep 2009 - 06:32
For all those screaming "xp runs better than 7". Xp was released in 2001 to run on 2001 hardware. Obviously putting it on todays newer hardware with your larger and faster hard disks, multicore processors and gpus, naturally it's gonna run like it's on crack! That's an unfair comparison, as windows 7 is doing a hell of a lot more behind the scenes and still manages to scale back nicely on older hardware. Stop living in the past, it's 2009 now, should you really be sticking to an os that is now 8 long years old???
#17.1 +shinji257 on 29 Sep 2009 - 19:40
Technically speaking XP doesn't even take advantage of the multi-core processors to their potential. Microsoft released a patch to help but it doesn't work 100%. You just get some better balancing but not a full use.
(1 reply) #18 tuxplorer on 29 Sep 2009 - 08:57
I wonder why Neowin is so pro-Microsoft. Starter edition has the infamous wallpaper limitation yet Neowin titles the article "Microsoft confirms no Windows 7 restrictions on netbooks".
#18.1 +shinji257 on 29 Sep 2009 - 19:41
It means no hardware restrictions. We all know about the software limits. Also it mentions that any Windows 7 edition can be installed on netbooks now.
#19 boho on 29 Sep 2009 - 12:46
I don't know why people are worrying about all this detail. Whatever happened / happens, "hackers" will write patches, to get around limitations Microsoft care to try. Doubtlessly all the speculation and announcements were all part of MSFT (free) marketing hype... "Yes it is, well maybe, no it isn't, yes it is..."

Personally I'm still very happy with XP on my $250 throwaway netbook. It does everything I need, and is far less complex. I am able to install XP multiple times on the same partition , with a simple tweak to an answer file. I wouldn't bother trying that with Vista. Vista / Windows 7 might be for some folks, but the way I use my PC, these later versions of Windows are over complex, with extremely messy directory structure and bizarre permissions and file links.
#20 +shinji257 on 29 Sep 2009 - 20:09
Because I can and I have posted some tidbits above here are my sources for Windows 7's background change restriction

http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/03/28/su...tarter-edition/
http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/03/31/co...than-i-thought/
http://www.withinwindows.com/2009/06/17/oe...starter-either/

I really like that last one...
#21 M_Lyons10 on 30 Sep 2009 - 05:33
Well, I'm glad they lifted this restriction for sure. Though I still think the DVD playback restriction is silly. I imagine a lot of netbook users use them to watch movies...

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