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Sam Symons   on 12 July 2009 - 22:47 · 59 comments & 6330 views

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With the release of Silverlight 3.0 not long ago, Microsoft has shown a bit more detail on the plans it has for the technology in the future. According to CNET, Abu-Hadba (leader of Microsoft's developer and platform evangelism division) has said that half of all Internet-connected devices will be packing Silverlight by next year.

Microsoft plans to expand their product to many different devices, including Apple's iPhone, and to do so they want to make sure that they don't have to create 'lite' versions of it. Scott Guthrie, Abu-Hadba's fellow developer unit executive, said, "We want to make sure people have a 'wow' experience," though they admit it's taken them longer than they'd have liked so far. As we speak, Microsoft is in beta testing stages of Silverlight for Android and Windows Mobile, and CNET expects announcements to be made at the Professional Developer Conference this fall, with Guthrie saying, "You are going to hear a lot more details about it later this year."

Interestingly, Abu-Hadba doesn't wonder if Silverlight will be with us in 10 years time... more, he brings up the uncertainty that Microsoft's rival will be, Adobe (due to their Flash software). He notes that Adobe is now a company that maintains a web platform for general purpose, rather than aiming at just being a design company, something that they can't keep up forever. "I don't think they will exist in 10 years in the form they are today," he said, but to quote CNET, "[imagine how] unthinkable it would have been to predict in 2000 that Sun Microsystems would go away."

Regardless, we'll see how far Silverlight has progressed by the year's end.

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(6 replies) #1 Neoauld on 12 Jul 2009 - 22:49
i hope to see it everywhere, given how superior it is over flash
#1.1 +TCLN Ryster on 12 Jul 2009 - 23:06
+1
#1.2 M_Lyons10 on 12 Jul 2009 - 23:17
Agreed. Silverlight has truly been given a great deal of thought and planning. It leaves Flash in the dust.
#1.3 artfuldodga on 12 Jul 2009 - 23:43
it is pretty slick, functions better than flash by far
#1.4 master2k27 on 12 Jul 2009 - 23:46
yea i hope so.
#1.5 GP007 on 13 Jul 2009 - 01:50
The fact MS is moving fast on it is big, and if they can get it on Android which is just more or less a "lite" version of Linux etc, would that mean it's from Mono as well? Or are they going to do it themselves?
#1.6 FoxieFoxie on 13 Jul 2009 - 07:37
The day youtube uses sl will be the day I uninstall flash
(10 replies) #2 Bhav on 12 Jul 2009 - 22:52
Could anyone explain how/why it's superior to flash?

I'm not denying that it is...just wondering.
#2.1 Rolith on 12 Jul 2009 - 22:56
lots of reasons... it's written with software development in mind, and hasn't had to have that kind of functionality shoehorned into it. It's running onto of .net which results in takng full advantage of your system hardware making it far faster then flash's software handling of just about everyhting. .. there are a lot of reasons to like silverlight, especially when compared to the utter-crash-filled mess that is flash 10.

this is coming from someone that devs in flash ~50 hours a week as a career and hobby... and I dont expect to be switching to silverlight anytime soon, but maybe with it we'll see adobe stop releasing shoddy products.
#2.2 m-p{3} on 13 Jul 2009 - 01:00
Bhav said,
Could anyone explain how/why it's superior to flash?

I'm not denying that it is...just wondering.

I know that since Silverlight 3.0, it now support GPU acceleration for video content (source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silverlight#Silverlight_3.0 ), allowing better performance for HD content.

However most web developers know it is easy to create a flash animation, which might not be the case with Silverlight.
#2.3 toadeater on 13 Jul 2009 - 04:51
Rolith said,
It's running onto of .net which results in takng full advantage of your system hardware making.


Windows only. Flash runs on everything.
#2.4 JonathanMarston on 13 Jul 2009 - 05:50
toadeater said,
Windows only. Flash runs on everything.


Windows, MacOSX, Linux, and soon Android and Windows Mobile. Check your facts.
#2.5 mormat on 13 Jul 2009 - 07:40
Rolith said,
lots of reasons... it's written with software development in mind, and hasn't had to have that kind of functionality shoehorned into it. It's running onto of .net which results in takng full advantage of your system hardware making it far faster then flash's software handling of just about everyhting. .. there are a lot of reasons to like silverlight, especially when compared to the utter-crash-filled mess that is flash 10.

I don't understand why Silverlight is faster than Flash... They both run a VM with JIT compiler (Flash runs Tamarin, Silverlight runs kind of shortened .NET) , so the speed should be almost the same. For me (as a SL developer) silverlight doesn't work with graphics as fast as I would expect or want. Or you meant something else?
Windows, MacOSX, Linux, and soon Android and Windows Mobile. Check your facts.
As far as I know, Silverlight does not support Linux. Yes, there's Moonlight platform, but it's not supported by MS and lags far behind in development. About Android and Windows Mobile - let's wait, but plans are worth nothing till they're reality.
#2.6 FoxieFoxie on 13 Jul 2009 - 07:41
toadeater said,
Windows only. Flash runs on everything.


There is linux version as well, don't remember name though, silverwolf or whatever
#2.7 Minimoose on 13 Jul 2009 - 11:50
Smooth streaming is another reason.
#2.8 MightyJordan on 13 Jul 2009 - 12:33
FoxieFoxie said,
There is linux version as well, don't remember name though, silverwolf or whatever

Moonlight.
#2.9 LaP on 13 Jul 2009 - 16:03
JonathanMarston said,
Windows, MacOSX, Linux, and soon Android and Windows Mobile. Check your facts.


Last time i checked Linux version of SL was features behind the one for Windows.
#2.10 Julius Caro on 14 Jul 2009 - 12:31
Bhav said,
Could anyone explain how/why it's superior to flash?

I'm not denying that it is...just wondering.


I want it on linux. Flash should just die.
(1 reply) #3 cabron on 12 Jul 2009 - 23:09
I don't know why but to develop Silverlight animation you need to know programming. With Adobe Flash software, anyone can do an simple animation without applying any single programming code.
#3.1 GreyWolfSC on 13 Jul 2009 - 01:27
You can use the Expression tools and never look at a piece of code.
#4 bob_c_b on 12 Jul 2009 - 23:24
Silverlight is pretty nice stuff from an install it and forget it perspective, but carbon poses an interesting point if true?
(5 replies) #5 lothodon on 12 Jul 2009 - 23:28
if it's really so good, not that i'm denying it is or isnt', but why don't microsoft's own sites use it over flash? zune.net uses flash and not silverlight, any ideas why? i went there today to get the zune software expecting it to use silverlight, especially since 3.0 just came out, but nope, full on flash.

Last edited by lothodon on 12 Jul 2009 - 23:35
#5.1 Neoauld on 12 Jul 2009 - 23:42
lothodon said,
if it's really so good, not that i'm denying it is or isnt', but why don't microsoft's own sites use it over flash? zune.net uses flash and not silverlight, any ideas why? i went there today to get the zune software expecting it to use silverlight, especially since 3.0 just came out, but nope, full on flash.


probably for compatibility, flash is pretty standard on every PC, silverlight not so much, im sure once it reaches that stage theyll switch
#5.2 artfuldodga on 12 Jul 2009 - 23:46
whats this! xbox360.com
#5.3 GP007 on 13 Jul 2009 - 01:53
They can't just jump ship the next day. MS's sites are big, and it'll be a slow transition. Like artfuldoga said though, the xbox sites use it.
#5.4 ostriches on 13 Jul 2009 - 04:09
lothodon said,
if it's really so good, not that i'm denying it is or isnt', but why don't microsoft's own sites use it over flash? zune.net uses flash and not silverlight, any ideas why? i went there today to get the zune software expecting it to use silverlight, especially since 3.0 just came out, but nope, full on flash.

It takes a lot of work to change over all the crap they have going on on those sites. Give it time, I'm sure everything will eventually switch.
#5.5 Rolith on 13 Jul 2009 - 07:32
not to mention a lot of people were hired specifically to make Flash apps for Microsoft years ago... their talent is still useful and flash still has practical purposes...dosn't make sense to re-train or replace a large number of web designing positions. Microsoft, after all, is a company that tries to be practical, even when eating it's dogfood.
#6 LUTZIFER on 12 Jul 2009 - 23:45
I hope to see it everywhere also, it is indeed way better than Flash.
(4 replies) #7 evo_spook on 13 Jul 2009 - 00:09
I think its only the microsoft fan boys on here want to see it everywhere, I think for most everyone we'd prefer both Flash and Silverlight be in a complete minority
#7.1 +Kirkburn on 13 Jul 2009 - 00:53
evo_spook said,
I think its only the microsoft fan boys on here want to see it everywhere, I think for most everyone we'd prefer both Flash and Silverlight be in a complete minority

And have what instead?
#7.2 +bob21 on 13 Jul 2009 - 01:19
That wont happen with a markup language thats stuck in 1993, This is what a modern markup language could be when its not maintained by the organizational equivalent of Duke Nukem Forever's development team AKA W3C .
#7.3 Recon415 on 13 Jul 2009 - 01:32
HTML5 ftw
#7.4 Azyr on 13 Jul 2009 - 10:03
evo_spook said,
I think its only the microsoft fan boys on here want to see it everywhere, I think for most everyone we'd prefer both Flash and Silverlight be in a complete minority

Quite the contrary, i'd rather prefer it if somehow all web content could be delivered with rich flash/silverlight (or something similar) instead of a VERY silly markup language.

If that had been the case, we would be looking at www. from a very different angle by now. As it is now, we're "WOOOW"'ing at ajax (when it first came out), and you still want this to continue to be the de-facto standard?

No thanks, give me a chance to create a much better experince for my audience.
(8 replies) #8 m.keeley on 13 Jul 2009 - 00:38
I have it installed however other than the MS sitewho actually uses it?
#8.1 lothodon on 13 Jul 2009 - 00:50
m.keeley said,
I have it installed however other than the MS sitewho actually uses it?

i think you hit the nail on the head there. general thoughts are that it's better than flash, however if nobody is using it, i'm pretty sure that's a path to failure.
#8.2 +Kirkburn on 13 Jul 2009 - 00:53
lothodon said,
i think you hit the nail on the head there. general thoughts are that it's better than flash, however if nobody is using it, i'm pretty sure that's a path to failure.

You can't expect immediate massive market penetration.
#8.3 y_notm on 13 Jul 2009 - 01:02
netflix, NBC (olympics), CBS (march madness)... that's three pretty big names right there.
#8.4 artfuldodga on 13 Jul 2009 - 01:15
and i see it being used for online live streaming events alot, from big names to not so big
#8.5 GP007 on 13 Jul 2009 - 01:55
Give it time, how much was flash used when it was a version 3.0?
#8.6 toadeater on 13 Jul 2009 - 04:56
lothodon said,
i think you hit the nail on the head there. general thoughts are that it's better than flash, however if nobody is using it, i'm pretty sure that's a path to failure.


People realize that Flash will be updated. MS has a temporary advantage because it built Silverlight after learning from Flash's mistakes, as it once did with IE vs. Netscape, but that advantage will soon be gone. The question is, can MS squeeze out even more performance or some new killer feature from Silverlight once Adobe catches up again?
#8.7 mormat on 13 Jul 2009 - 07:47
toadeater said,
People realize that Flash will be updated. MS has a temporary advantage because it built Silverlight after learning from Flash's mistakes, as it once did with IE vs. Netscape, but that advantage will soon be gone. The question is, can MS squeeze out even more performance or some new killer feature from Silverlight once Adobe catches up again?

+5
#8.8 Azyr on 13 Jul 2009 - 10:04
toadeater said,
People realize that Flash will be updated. MS has a temporary advantage because it built Silverlight after learning from Flash's mistakes, as it once did with IE vs. Netscape, but that advantage will soon be gone. The question is, can MS squeeze out even more performance or some new killer feature from Silverlight once Adobe catches up again?


The question is, WILL adobe ever catch up again? As someone that uses around %50 of their current deployed software, i can tell you adobe is the next Quark, just going there a little faster.
(4 replies) #9 aludanyi on 13 Jul 2009 - 01:19
Microsoft! If you support Silverlight on Android and iPhone, it would be really good to support it on Symbian as well, many business class mobile phones run Symbian. (Nokia is the market leader with 400.000 smartphone sales / day [altogether they sale over 1.2 million mobile phones / day]).

So please support Silverlight on Symbian too. Thanks.
#9.1 GP007 on 13 Jul 2009 - 01:56
Maybe they will? It might be harder to do on Symbian though since it's so different.
#9.2 JDonner on 13 Jul 2009 - 02:03
aludanyi said,
Microsoft! If you support Silverlight on Android and iPhone, it would be really good to support it on Symbian as well.


Ask that Microsoft personally, don't post it on this unrelated site that posts a lot of hear-say articles.
#9.3 Rolith on 13 Jul 2009 - 07:34
Uh, microsoft supports...what's the project called? Moonlight? Not sure... the linux parallel open source development that is almost 100% stable and feature complete... lets it be ported to just about anything if there's an interest...
#9.4 Magallanes on 13 Jul 2009 - 13:42
Rolith said,
Uh, microsoft supports...what's the project called? Moonlight? Not sure... the linux parallel open source development that is almost 100% stable and feature complete... lets it be ported to just about anything if there's an interest...


Is (they say) 100% compatible with Silverlight 1.0 (barely used on Internet) and in a very alpha stage to Silverlight 2.0.
meh

(4 replies) #10 Raa on 13 Jul 2009 - 02:05
When it doesn't support 64bit, and non-windows? I don't think so.

Maybe when they improve support for other platforms, yeah.
#10.1 MioTheGreat on 13 Jul 2009 - 02:36
Raa said,
When it doesn't support 64bit, and non-windows? I don't think so.

Maybe when they improve support for other platforms, yeah.


It supports OSX, and Moonlight supports Linux.
#10.2 Majesticmerc on 13 Jul 2009 - 06:56
Why does everyone seem to think that because its from Microsoft, its not cross-platform?!
#10.3 Rolith on 13 Jul 2009 - 07:34
64 bit plugin...for which common 64bit browser exactly?
#10.4 mormat on 13 Jul 2009 - 07:56
Majesticmerc said,
Why does everyone seem to think that because its from Microsoft, its not cross-platform?!

because .NET is still NOT cross platform (despite MS's claiming for ages) and Silverlight too (for Linux there is still no full counterpart even for Silverlight 2, not to mention the 3rd version)
(2 replies) #11 unni_83 on 13 Jul 2009 - 04:12
I like the tone of this thread..suddenly Silverlight rocks & Flash sucks..gotta love competition.
#11.1 mormat on 13 Jul 2009 - 07:57
unni_83 said,
I like the tone of this thread..suddenly Silverlight rocks & Flash sucks..gotta love competition.

Competition is good for consumers, but not always so good for developers who have no time to learn complete conglomerations of new technologies each half a year or so
#11.2 LaP on 13 Jul 2009 - 16:09
mormat said,
Competition is good for consumers, but not always so good for developers who have no time to learn complete conglomerations of new technologies each half a year or so


Maybe you can just not use Flash and SL at all ...

I've seen really hot and functional web sites not using those.
#12 soldier1st on 13 Jul 2009 - 05:53
give silverlight time to be adopted, remember flash went through this and now after alot of time it is mainstream but silverlight could do the same but we will see.
#13 bestbuy on 13 Jul 2009 - 14:27
They're both free and tiny in filesize. I don't see why people are choosing one over another? Just have both of them installed and be happy. If someone's offering you a PC and Mac for free, why not take both!
#14 raghavny80 on 13 Jul 2009 - 22:46
It does not officially support Opera Browser (the company that is pushing for removal of IE from European editions of Windows).. Good enough reason for me to skip Silverlight for now.
#15 IntelliMoo on 13 Jul 2009 - 22:59
Nowhere uses silverlight! At least nowhere that matters. lol Even ms sites use flash??!! Like msnbc.com, wtf. I definitely look forward to flash's demise, but come on silverlight is nothing right now. Even the 2008 olympics site that used it exclusively went to flash. geez

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