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Microsoft providing feedback on HTML 5 editor's draft

Sam Symons   on 08 August 2009 - 07:44 · 33 comments & 6842 views

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Though the creation of the new HTML standard, HTML 5, has been mostly up to four of the big players in the browser world (Apple, Mozilla, Opera and Google), it appears that Microsoft has become more active as of late. CNET reports the news, detailing that Adrian Bateman, Internet Explorer Program Manager, has sent a letter to the World Wide Web Consortium, with Microsoft's thoughts and queries on the current editor's draft.

In the letter, found here, Bateman stated that, "As part of our planning for future work, the IE team is reviewing the current editor's draft of the HTML5 spec and gathering our thoughts. We want to share our feedback and discuss this in the working group. I will post our notes as we collect them so we can iterate on our thinking more quickly. At this stage we have more questions than answers, but I believe that discussing them in public is the best way to make progress." Additionally, Amy Barzdukas, general manager for Internet Explorer, said, "The support of ratified standards (that Web developers) can use is something that we are extremely supportive of. In some cases, it can be premature to start claiming support for standards that are not yet in fact standards."

HTML 5, as you know, brings a whole bunch of excellent new features. If you're under the impression that Microsoft has added none of them, then you're wrong; the Redmond-based company is accountable for ContentEditable, a feature in the new standard, which "lets elements of Web pages be edited in place by people using a browser" according to CNET. To add to this, the latest version of IE, version 8, supports the DOM Store, Ajax Navigation, Cross Document Messaging and Cross Domain Messaging, all HTML 5 components.

It's excellent to see the software giant getting more involved with the standard, as Internet Explorer is by far the most dominant browser on the market today; with that force behind HTML 5, it'll make for a much better experience for users and web developers.

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(5 replies) #1 phrea on 08 Aug 2009 - 08:21
I basically see Microsoft taking IE in a pretty decent direction lately but yet I still use Firefox.
#1.1 lomas on 08 Aug 2009 - 08:51
Firefox = Best browser on earth!!!
#1.2 n_K on 08 Aug 2009 - 10:13
lomas said,
Firefox = Best browser on earth!!!

"*Lynx = Best browser on earth!!!"
(It's got a minimal amount of exploits and features because it's text based! )
#1.3 tiagosilva29 on 08 Aug 2009 - 11:25
n_K said,
"*Lynx = Best browser on earth!!!"
(It's got a minimal amount of exploits and features because it's text based! )

ELinks!
#1.4 LoveThePenguin on 08 Aug 2009 - 12:35
tiagosilva29 said,
ELinks!

+1
CLI tabbed browsing is the shitz
#1.5 toadeater on 08 Aug 2009 - 22:02
n_K said,
"*Lynx = Best browser on earth!!!"
(It's got a minimal amount of exploits and features because it's text based! )


It should have been bundled with Windows instead of IE, then no one would have been upset. It could then be used to download whatever browser of choice.
(2 replies) #2 ajua on 08 Aug 2009 - 09:21
If only IE8 could open up to extensions the way Firefox is and add a proper "smooth scrolling" experience, I would change it for Firefox.

They actively being involved in the workgroup for HTML5, its great.
#2.1 Caleb on 08 Aug 2009 - 10:00
ajua said,
If only IE8 could open up to extensions the way Firefox is and add a proper "smooth scrolling" experience, I would change it for Firefox.

They actively being involved in the workgroup for HTML5, its great.


Firefox has an AWFUL smooth scrolling experience. The only decent option is to install an extension called "Yet Another Smooth Scrolling" and play with it a bit. It becomes way faster and much smoother (a similar feature is already part of the upcoming version of FF).

Opera has had this feature by default for quite some time now.
#2.2 z0phi3l on 08 Aug 2009 - 12:05
ajua said,
If only IE8 could open up to extensions the way Firefox is and add a proper "smooth scrolling" experience, I would change it for Firefox.

They actively being involved in the workgroup for HTML5, its great.


They were part of the the workgroup for HTML4, and when they didn't get what they wanted, they went ahead and created IE6 and we all know what a POS that is and what a bane to web developers it is, we'll have to wait and see what happens this time
(2 replies) #3 mocax on 08 Aug 2009 - 11:13
Opera 10 has replaced Firefox as my alternative browser of choice.
#3.1 +dead.cell on 08 Aug 2009 - 12:31
I went to the store yesterday and bought some green tea.

/irrelevant
#3.2 fobban on 08 Aug 2009 - 12:58
mocax said,
Opera 10 has replaced Firefox as my alternative browser of choice.

Opera is so long down on my list after their whining, so I won't even try their browser in a while. Still use Opera Mini on the phone though.
(1 reply) #4 +AltecXP on 08 Aug 2009 - 12:23
How is Opera a "big player" and Microsoft isnt? Opera could fold and 97% of people wouldn't know who they are, what they did, or care.
#4.1 The Teej on 08 Aug 2009 - 14:23
AltecXP said,
How is Opera a "big player" and Microsoft isnt? Opera could fold and 97% of people wouldn't know who they are, what they did, or care.


The article doesn't state MS isn't? It says 4 of the big players, not "the big players". It was simply stating that 4 of the big companies were contributing towards HTML, and Microsoft is becoming a 5th.
(5 replies) #5 Wodin on 08 Aug 2009 - 12:49
He said "IE is the most dominant browser by far".
Statistics from last month show Firefox with 48% and IE with 39%

Here http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp

This myth is busted!!!
edit: Hold on, this is statistics just at wschools website, it would be dominated by FF, as people browsing there are more techie. Let me keep looking
#5.1 Wodin on 08 Aug 2009 - 12:56
edit time ran out i reckon.
http://www.w3counter.com/globalstats.php
These stats show IE with about 53% and FF with only about 31%, so I guess thy myth isn' t busted after all.
#5.2 Dhalamar on 08 Aug 2009 - 13:21
Well, you could look at the Firefox Themes and Addons site for statistics and I'm sure Firefox would be far ahead of IE zomg.
#5.3 Quikboy on 08 Aug 2009 - 14:29
@Wodin: Do some research. Those stats aren't exactly reliable.
#5.4 Wodin on 08 Aug 2009 - 19:08
@quikboy
You do it if it's so important to you. I'm busy!
#5.5 LaP on 10 Aug 2009 - 13:51
Quikboy said,
@Wodin: Do some research. Those stats aren't exactly reliable.

Actually the web site of the cie i'm working for have stats similar to those one (between 60 000 and 100 000 visitors a month).
(2 replies) #6 KaneHusky on 08 Aug 2009 - 14:43
If you're under the impression that Microsoft has done added none of them, then you're wrong

I LOL'd
#6.1 soothsayer on 08 Aug 2009 - 16:02
As did I.
#6.2 JonathanMarston on 08 Aug 2009 - 17:53
I done laughed too!
#7 Leeoniya on 08 Aug 2009 - 15:49
i think they need to standardize and unbug their JS implementation before moving forward on any more HTML5 stuff. i think it's time all browsers implemented native CSS3 selectors in JS since pretty much all JS frameworks use Sizzle or DOMQuery, the former being much more awesome. i'm glad they added native JSON in, but as to be expected, it has an empty value encoding bug.
(1 reply) #8 s3n4te on 08 Aug 2009 - 16:00
I really like IE 9 alpha build's support for HTML 5.
#8.1 LAMj on 08 Aug 2009 - 18:45
plz....amateur
#9 WAR-DOG on 08 Aug 2009 - 18:37
You know whats horrible? That the team that develops IE does not educate other Microsoft Employees how to develop HTML pages... For example Sharepoint is all tables and poor html coding... Did you ever try to send an HTML email to someone who uses Outlook 2007? It completly ignores CSS, only few style attribute work...
Anyway IE 8 is ok, what is bad that most people still use IE6 and IE7...
(3 replies) #10 tuxplorer on 08 Aug 2009 - 19:08
Whoa I didn't know this. How is Microsoft not a big web player and why is it not part of the HTML 5 spec group? I smell a promote-Silverlight-and-keep-IE-always-behind-the-competition conspiracy cooking at Microsoft. The IE team says HTML 5 is "high priority" yet all they've done since they revived IE with IE7 is put decent CSS 2.1 support, absolutely nothing else.
#10.1 +Kirkburn on 08 Aug 2009 - 21:49
tuxplorer said,
Whoa I didn't know this. How is Microsoft not a big web player and why is it not part of the HTML 5 spec group? I smell a promote-Silverlight-and-keep-IE-always-behind-the-competition conspiracy cooking at Microsoft. The IE team says HTML 5 is "high priority" yet all they've done since they revived IE with IE7 is put decent CSS 2.1 support, absolutely nothing else.

Dude, did you not bother to read the article?
#10.2 Majesticmerc on 08 Aug 2009 - 22:20
IE8 (from the article, had you bothered to read it) already has support for many of the technologies that are behind HTML5, they just don't have a rendering engine capable of HTML5 yet.

MS is not part of the HTML 5 group because the specification wasn't created by the W3C initiall, it was a separate coalition of organisations, which the W3C then banded with to establish a formal HTML5 specification. Microsoft was not a part of this initial group.
#10.3 tuxplorer on 09 Aug 2009 - 06:18
@Kirkburn, ??? huh?? Last time I checked, IE was behind the competition in XML, XHTML, HTML5, SVG, CSS3, DOM2, DOM3, Javascript and graphics support. They're coming up with Silverlight faster than IE revisions and Silverlight if you are in the know has a lot of features common with proposed HTML 5 functionality (media playback, offline storage, canvas). MS should be the forerunner instead they're playing catchup.
#11 HalcyonX12 on 08 Aug 2009 - 23:05
Awesome, I'm glad they're taking it seriously, that's good news for all browsers.
#12 M_Lyons10 on 09 Aug 2009 - 03:02
I'm glad to see Microsoft supporting standards better. That's really great.

As for their involvement, I think they should be involved. It only makes sense given that they have a browser with market share.

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