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Firefox 3.6 beta to be released next week

Sam Symons   on 07 October 2009 - 09:22 · 66 comments & 9025 views

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Mozilla's popular web browser, Firefox, is quite a big name in the realm of the Internet. It's multi-platform, easy to use, and packs a extremely vast amount of add-ons to improve the user experience. In addition to this, it's about to get a new version.

The newest version of the browser, currently in development, is 3.6; it's not a huge upgrade, as Mozilla plans to save the bigger changes for version 4.0, but it's still packing some nice improvements. According to The Register, the new version will come with tweaks which improve the TraceMonkey javascript engine, an "optimized session restore", plus additions to the CSS technology in the browser and improved page rendering speed. There is a discussion about the new version here, with official Firefox developers putting together the following schedule:

Oct 5: Code freeze late evening PDT.
Oct 6: Start build1 of the beta assuming trees are green.
Oct 7: Begin QA testing (or earlier as builds become available).
Oct 13: Complete QA testing by AM, ship beta in late day PDT.


Indeed, that means that the beta of the new version will be hopefully available October 13, less than a week from now. However, in the previously posted discussion, Mozilla's Mike Beltzner stated that there's no shame in missing the deadline. Understandably, this is just a beta, so people shouldn't be rushing to upgrade.

Update: The Mozilla Releases wiki lists Firefox 3.6 beta 1 as having an October 15 release date, following this meeting, so expect it to be available then.

Thanks, erpster3!

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(12 replies) #1 paokun on 07 Oct 2009 - 09:27
If anyone is rushing to upgrade, it's probably time to switch to Chrome ;-)
#1.1 Jugalator on 07 Oct 2009 - 09:41
Sure, the day Chrome has as good cross-platform support as Firefox and better community support.
#1.2 Kushan on 07 Oct 2009 - 10:41
And has the same extensions.
#1.3 insanelyapple on 07 Oct 2009 - 10:43
and spy components.
#1.4 da00 on 07 Oct 2009 - 10:53
Jugalator said,
Sure, the day Chrome has as good cross-platform support as Firefox and better community support.

Chrome is Available for Linux, Mac OS and Windows. And works pretty well on all of those. so whats the hookup?
#1.5 Bero on 07 Oct 2009 - 11:01
if chrome had supported extensions i'd have changed to it long time ago
but i love FF n i hope it catches up with chrome's speed
#1.6 jase chaos on 07 Oct 2009 - 11:35
Bero said,
if chrome had supported extensions i'd have changed to it long time ago
but i love FF n i hope it catches up with chrome's speed


Chrome does support extensions. Get the developer build. It works. I use it.
#1.7 +TCLN Ryster on 07 Oct 2009 - 12:12
jase chaos said,
Bero said,
if chrome had supported extensions i'd have changed to it long time ago
but i love FF n i hope it catches up with chrome's speed


Chrome does support extensions. Get the developer build. It works. I use it.

It's not just about supporting extensions in an early beta release though, it's about extensions being available for that release. Currently there are no useful extensions that I'm aware of. Get me equivalents to ABP, Locationbar2 and IE Tab and I'll be interested in switching. I already use a Chrome theme on Firefox, so I am used to the look of it.
#1.8 KillerZ123 on 07 Oct 2009 - 12:54
paokun said,
If anyone is rushing to upgrade, it's probably time to switch to Chrome ;-)


No thanks I will stick with my Firefox.
#1.9 Neoauld on 07 Oct 2009 - 13:46
KillerZ123 said,
No thanks I will stick with my Firefox.


as much as id like the speed of chrome, i just cant give up the amazing UI of firefox, that just fits my needs
#1.10 +M2Ys4U on 07 Oct 2009 - 14:13
Neoauld said,
as much as id like the speed of chrome, i just cant give up the amazing UI of firefox, that just fits my needs

Yeah. If there was a webkit-based browser out there that had Firefox's UI, I'd be all over it.
#1.11 z0phi3l on 07 Oct 2009 - 15:02
M2Ys4U said,
Yeah. If there was a webkit-based browser out there that had Firefox's UI, I'd be all over it.


Try Arora, it's pretty close
http://code.google.com/p/arora/wiki/Screenshots
#1.12 Fish on 07 Oct 2009 - 17:27
z0phi3l said,

I'm liking Arora. It's not going to replace Fx for me, but I'll be keeping an eye on it.
#2 iwod on 07 Oct 2009 - 10:59
I simply can not adopt the work flow of Chrome.
And it steal focus whenever i open Links from outside apps.
(1 reply) #3 liemfukliang on 07 Oct 2009 - 11:16
If only Chrome has the most advanced browser in the world may be I'll use it. Since Chrome focus on simplicity I don't thing so. To be best of both world, just create a good default setting for most commond user and give many settings for advanced user. Chrome just lack of advanced setting .
#3.1 +dead.cell on 07 Oct 2009 - 15:39
Uh, they don't "focus" on being simple at all. It's just that they've started with the basics, and are continuing to work their way up. Just like a house, you need a solid foundation to work with. Honestly, I really feel they're doing a good job with it too. It will be some time until they've got a more fuller browser that I suppose you could compare to to say Firefox. Until then though, it is still very decent in its current state.
(6 replies) #4 paokun on 07 Oct 2009 - 11:22
So you want everything in a single browser? Try Avant Browser, that yes, it does everything. I personally use Chrome for surfing, but sometimes I use Firefox only because it has an extension I really need.
I don't need a bunch of extensions opened the whole time, I use them when I need.

Chrome's simplicity is amazing when all you're looking for is surfing.
#4.1 wahoospa on 07 Oct 2009 - 11:37
Avant Browser? Isn't Avant Browser just Internet Explorer with a different theme? That's what I heard.
#4.2 Michael1406 on 07 Oct 2009 - 12:17
Avant Browser is an IE front-end.
#4.3 0--JLowzrif on 07 Oct 2009 - 13:03
Yea but let's say you put google chrome frame,then avant,maxthon or any other ie front end browser would uses chromes engine...no?
#4.4 paokun on 07 Oct 2009 - 13:07
I'm not sure about that. To me as long as I have something that does everything, then even if it uses Internet Explorer (and its security features), I'm happy.
I always thought I couldn't do without all the features, but getting used to Chrome's speed and simplicity was very quick.
#4.5 +statm1 on 07 Oct 2009 - 15:29
The only similarity between Avant and IE is the engine and if you don't like to use Trident then they make Orca Browser which has the same features as Avant but with the Gecko 1.9.1 engine and the ability to use alot of Firefox's extensions.

But, no Chrome Frame does not work in Avant.
#4.6 +dead.cell on 07 Oct 2009 - 15:40
Avant Browser is like the first browser I tried when I tried to get away from IE6. Unfortunately, it wasn't all that great then, nor is it now imo.
#5 Ci7 on 07 Oct 2009 - 13:21
i wander , would they still be able to hit there deadline Nov ,2009 for final release
(2 replies) #6 ccoltmanm on 07 Oct 2009 - 14:05
I'll be sticking with IE8. Thank you all very much.
#6.1 schwit on 07 Oct 2009 - 17:08
"Six shooter, huh? A lot of old timers carry those."
#6.2 svmpatel on 07 Oct 2009 - 18:11
Heh, like the Lethal Weapon reference
(1 reply) #7 supernova_00 on 07 Oct 2009 - 14:07
The code freeze was pushed back until midnight tonight so the release may be delayed by a day. The delay was so a few of the patches for windows 7 stuff like aero peek, jumplists and taskbar download progress meter could land and finishing fixes for any regressions could be landed.
#7.1 SoapyHamHocks on 07 Oct 2009 - 14:12
Oh those are going to be in 3.6? The superbar tab previews currently work in 3.7a.
(5 replies) #8 trenzterra on 07 Oct 2009 - 14:27
IMO I think Firefox has lost its original intent.

I remember back in 2002 Phoenix was like a 5MB download or something, and was aimed to be a 'lite' browser, unlike the Mozilla Suite and IE at that time.

And with every single release, I see Firefox eating up much much more of my RAM and seemingly slower compared to other competing browsers out there.

But well, being used to using Firefox for the past 4 years, I guess I'll be staying with it no matter how crap it gets. I took a long time to get sold on the idea of tabbed browsing in the past.

I just hope the FF developers one day will retrace their roots...
#8.1 +statm1 on 07 Oct 2009 - 15:32
You actually liked the days of having a whole separate window for each site you were on? That drove me nuts..

If you implied that you liked them by saying it took you along time to get sold on tabs that is..
#8.2 Fish on 07 Oct 2009 - 16:58
I too got hooked on Phoenix, and I've used Fx ever since.... I doubt the Fx devs will ever return to their roots, but it would be nice to see a spin-off of Fx which is aimed at speed and simplicity.
#8.3 +Kirkburn on 08 Oct 2009 - 01:17
trenzterra said,
I remember back in 2002 Phoenix was like a 5MB download or something, and was aimed to be a 'lite' browser, unlike the Mozilla Suite and IE at that time.

Currently it weighs in at a massive 7.6MB

What a large increase.
#8.4 ThaCrip on 08 Oct 2009 - 03:16
i think trenzterra is basically saying... Firefox seems more 'commercialized' now. but i think in a way that can be a good thing since even though it's more mainstream now, that has nice side effects like becoming more polished

but at the end of the day... Firefox is still the all around best browser in my opinion. (i will admit i never tried Chrome yet but with extensions like 'ADBlock Plus' etc it sorta makes Firefox a must use)
#8.5 Bero on 08 Oct 2009 - 08:56
trenzterra said,
And with every single release, I see Firefox eating up much much more of my RAM and seemingly slower compared to other competing browsers out there.


translate : FF2 < FF3 < FF3.5 in RAM use ?!

that's completely untrue
(2 replies) #9 Intelman on 07 Oct 2009 - 14:47
Will 3.6 indeed contain a new theme?
#9.1 Aaron44126 on 07 Oct 2009 - 15:08
I think they're holding that off for 3.7 (or whatever comes after 3.6).
A somewhat significant change: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/3.7_Windows_Theme_Mockups
#9.2 ThaCrip on 08 Oct 2009 - 04:12
Aaron44126 said,
I think they're holding that off for 3.7 (or whatever comes after 3.6).
A somewhat significant change: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/3.7_Windows_Theme_Mockups


nice change , i cant wait. (because even if they change Firefox's look in Windows 7 a little from those pics it still should be a solid boost from what we currently have with v3.5.x series.
(3 replies) #10 yottabytewizard on 07 Oct 2009 - 14:54
AFAIK, the Beta has been out since a long time, the RC is the one going out in this month.

Release Candidate (mid/late October 2009)

* aiming at final release for November 2009

https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Namoroka
#10.1 Aaron44126 on 07 Oct 2009 - 15:12
That's a draft timeline and they ended up slipping. The beta has not been released. You can see current status on their releases page: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases
#10.2 erpster3 on 07 Oct 2009 - 18:24
totally agree with Aaron44126 on that one. that Namoroka draft is outdated for two months now and no longer applies to the current situation with FF 3.6.
#10.3 yottabytewizard on 07 Oct 2009 - 19:28
Aaron44126 said,
That's a draft timeline and they ended up slipping. The beta has not been released. You can see current status on their releases page: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Releases

I see sorry
(6 replies) #11 Xenomorph on 07 Oct 2009 - 15:15
What the hell is the point of all these people telling us to use other browsers? Those other browsers DON'T EVEN DO WHAT FIREFOX DOES.

It's like going to a gun show and telling a bunch of hunters they should consider switching to slingshots, or going to NASCAR and telling the racers they should switch to using tricycles. Yeah, you can still do what you want to do (shoot stuff or race) , and it may be easier to work with the smaller items since they are "lighter", but giving up what works, and what works well for something else that isn't as capable just doesn't make sense.

Google Chrome? IE? Opera? Avant? Are you kidding?

Why would we give our up Swiss Army Knife (Firefox) for just a dull spoon (all other browsers)???
#11.1 paokun on 07 Oct 2009 - 15:27
Sorry but lol.
#11.2 +dead.cell on 07 Oct 2009 - 15:51
Nerd rage. Wonderful.
#11.3 SX86 on 07 Oct 2009 - 15:58
+1,
Why use a doll spoon when you have access to the Swiss Army Knife..?
I think this text should be posted every time there's a post on Neowin concerning Firefox.
You people make me think of the chocolate bar sellers that knock on every doors..... NO, I DON'T WANT TO BUY YOUR CHOCOLATE ! ...ok maybe not. Anyways, you get the point.
#11.4 Ci7 on 07 Oct 2009 - 15:59
lolz
#11.5 C_Guy on 07 Oct 2009 - 17:17

"That's not a knife, it's a spoon"

"Alright, alright, you win! I see you've played knifey-spooney before!"
#11.6 erpster3 on 07 Oct 2009 - 18:26
wow, Xenomorph needs to take a vacation as he has some serious issues, lol!
hmm, is there an asylum that needs its lunatic back? hehehe
(1 reply) #12 schwit on 07 Oct 2009 - 17:41
When will Firefox fix its printing issues? Have you ever tried to print a page that has frames? Management here says that Firefox will not be considered until MS Report Manager can be displayed and printed equal to IE.
#12.1 erpster3 on 10 Oct 2009 - 13:49
why dont you report the Firefox printing problem in the Firefox support forum page at mozillazine, schwit? tell them there instead of here.
#13 erpster3 on 07 Oct 2009 - 18:20
Well, PC World is reporting that Firefox 3.6 beta 1 would be released on Friday October 16:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/173259/mozi..._next_year.html

start making some changes to your article, Sam Symons.
#14 Ansuza on 07 Oct 2009 - 19:07
I love Chrome's UI but it always seems unstable. I can't help but switch back to Firefox. Also, I wish there was a way to block ads in Chrome under Linux.
#15 Septimus on 07 Oct 2009 - 19:43
64Bit and threaded processes or no (free) sale Mozilla.
(2 replies) #16 caerma on 07 Oct 2009 - 20:29
piece of trashy software :puke:
#16.1 Sub_Zero_Alchemist on 08 Oct 2009 - 00:00
caerma said,
piece of trashy software :puke:


Is there a point to the inflammatory post. if you think you can do better let's see you try. don't like it don't use it and next time think before posting those unnecessary comments.
#16.2 erpster3 on 08 Oct 2009 - 14:55
totally agree with Sub_Zero_Alchemist. really UNprofessional, childish and downright IDIOTIC post, caerma! have you even tried using an actual FF3.6b1pre nightly build before making such stupid remarks about firefox?
#17 booboo on 07 Oct 2009 - 23:44
As firefox stopped allowing me to go to facebook (something to do with certificates) I have moved to chrome, and for some reason, even though facebook works now on FF I just love the speed and simplicity of chrome. Of course it won't replace FF because I need it for developing websites and such. But for the moment I suppose chrome is my _main_ browser.

When I go into firefox I immediately notice the slower startup/rendering of pages. And i'm not on a crappy computer. But the themes DO suck for chrome lol.
(2 replies) #18 erpster3 on 07 Oct 2009 - 23:52
Revised Firefox 3.6 (Namoroka) Beta 1 schedule according to the Firefox DeliveryMeetings Oct. 7, 2009 notes page:
https://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/DeliveryMeetings/2009-10-07

* October 7th, 11:59pm PDT: Code freeze on mozilla-1.9.2, all P1 blockers landed
* October 8th: Beta 1 build 1 stared (assuming trees are green)
* October 9th to 15th: QA testing
* October 15th, 5pm PDT: Beta 1 launched


I'm still waiting for Sam Symons to edit the FF3.6b1 release date in his article from Oct. 13 to Oct. 15.

pay attention Sam.
#18.1 Sub_Zero_Alchemist on 08 Oct 2009 - 00:03

Send Him a Private Message erpster3.
#18.2 erpster3 on 08 Oct 2009 - 14:56
will do asap, Sub_Zero_Alchemist.
#19 PuttPutt on 08 Oct 2009 - 01:53
Remember neoplanet use to be good way back then but no support for it anymore- i dloaded it just for fun just recently
#20 :: Lyon :: on 08 Oct 2009 - 10:17
I'm already using 3.7 Alpha..pretty sleek and stable for me
#21 FrozenEclipse on 09 Oct 2009 - 04:41
Wow, is this a pro-Chrome/anti-Firefox news post? Yeah, didn't think so. A lot of you need to just shut up. Don't like it? Don't view it. Personally I'm loving all the improvements that come with each new Firefox build.
#22 erpster3 on 10 Oct 2009 - 13:46
it looks like the "code freeze" of Firefox 3.6 beta did NOT take place on Oct. 7 as expected.
no build 1 of FF3.6b1 was posted on the Mozilla FTP server as there are some serious P1 bugs to be resolved before the actual 3.6b1 release. see the discussion of the 1.9.2 Beta Freeze Status topic at Google Groups here:
http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev...9594871610827c#

in short, things have not progressed as it was supposed to for Firefox 3.6 beta so the chances of FF3.6b1 being released on the 15th of October are decreasing each day until code freeze has actually taken place.
#23 kev_gordon on 14 Oct 2009 - 15:09
I can't stop using Firefox. It's got the words 'Fire' and 'Fox' in it. It makes me feel like I'm a fox, and I'm on fire. Nice.

Seriously though, FF rocks. Some great themes out there (Strata40, Naver), and fantastic add-ons. It can't be beat.

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