reaper1576 Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 Quote First we have SafeDisc outright blacklisting our software like CloneCD and some hardware as well. Now look at this! We have StarForce installing sneaky little drivers and controllers (read: hijacking) on our PC's. Am I just anal or am I justified in feeling very angry and violated by this secret installing of sh** on my PC. I mean I installed ToCa - Race Driver 2, and that's all I wanted or agreed to install and I get to looking around and find this crap in my device manager! I say this is too much and crosses WAY over the line. I wonder if it even gets removed when I uninstall the game. CDFreaks very intresting :crazy: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrosoft13 Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 jesus hijacking? what did it hijack? did it ask for a ranson? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2273675 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glowstick Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 Bleh, really old news. Starforce3 is out since ages, and yeah, it's freakin' annoying. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2273708 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eversor Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 old news, schmold news. There are more and more games coming out with SF3 recently. And yeah i find it very annoying. These protection oblige you which software (not) to use. Just because its old it isn't of the table. THis kind of protection should be illegal.... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2273726 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 **** that ****, any games using it I am not buying or playing. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2273747 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidea Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 copy protected or not.. games are still warezed... the only way to stop warez... is to 1) lower game prices 2) make GOOD games 3) serial to play online :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2273812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted June 13, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 13, 2004 well, I know what game I'm not buying now. No way will I support installing "drivers" on my system to just play a damn game. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274090 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrosoft13 Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 then don't buy any safedisc games either, they got a driver too Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted June 13, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 13, 2004 I don't. I'm very careful of what I buy. I want full control of what gets installed on my system and the only way to not install that garabge is to not buy the game, so I don't. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyLarry Veteran Posted June 13, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 13, 2004 Even if this is old news, it is new news to me, so I appreciate the post... I would also like to avoid installing these games as well, as I simply cannot be comfortable with the fact that something is getting installed on my computer that I did not agree to. So does anyone have or know of a site or reference that I can find a full list of games that use both the StarForce & SafeDisk protection schemes? I would like to avoid all of these games at any cost. TIA. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274193 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varsity Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 Like Ubisfot, who prevented you playing SC:PT if you had ANY form of CD burning software installed. The worst thing is, these cd protection f*ckwads are just pushing people more and more towards piracy by making their games innacessilble to legit users. Warez versions have all this crap taken out, and are starting to look more and more attractive. :( Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrosoft13 Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 bangbang023 said: I don't. I'm very careful of what I buy. I want full control of what gets installed on my system and the only way to not install that garabge is to not buy the game, so I don't. and the onlything what you are doing is hurting pc game industry, other people warez the game they hurt the industry too, and the result will be death of pc gaming :angry: (not mad at you, mostly at pirates) only way to get all this protection out, is if people would stop pirate the games. face it safedisc has a driver too go look for it secdrv.sys and 50% of games out there use secdrv.sys, and soon allot allot allot more starforce games will come out, and main reason is its the only protection so far that you can't make 1:1 copys off. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted June 13, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 13, 2004 I'm not going to kill the industry by not playing it's game. If millions of people did the same as me and jus tdidn't buy or play the games, that wouldn't kill the industry, either. It would be the industry's fault for not listening to it's consumers, so the PC Gaming industry would kill itself. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varsity Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 nekrosoft13 said: and the onlything what you are doing is hurting pc game industry, other people warez the game they hurt the industry too, and the result will be death of pc gaming :angry: (not mad at you, mostly at pirates) Any more than making it next to impossible to play non-cracked games? If this trend continues we'll be seeing piract driven by CD protection, instead of the other way round. Edit: besides, he can't mean downloading warezed versions if he want to avoid installing other stuff - they are far worse! I think at this stage it's CD patches that are the counter, not full warez. I've only every used no CD cracks. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274806 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoNuTs Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 I've got nothing against StarForce as a protection against Warez monkeys. But you have to buy two copies of the game, just to play on LAN That ****es me off ! :angry: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrosoft13 Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 bangbang023 said: I'm not going to kill the industry by not playing it's game. If millions of people did the same as me and jus tdidn't buy or play the games, that wouldn't kill the industry, either. It would be the industry's fault for not listening to it's consumers, so the PC Gaming industry would kill itself. reason whey they implement all this protection is becauase to many people copy/pirate pc games Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varsity Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 DoNuTs? said: But you have to buy two copies of the game, just to play on LAN That ****es me off !:angry:: At least there is a use for it: you buy just *one* lisence for use per CD Key. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274834 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidea Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 the reason people pirate game, is because they set the price well up to expensive, and the game isn't worth buying... :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrosoft13 Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 Hidea said: the reason people pirate game, is because they set the price well up to expensive, and the game isn't worth buying... :p pc games are 39 bucks, while console games are 49 bucks, and thats to expensive? nice try there Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidea Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 NOT all PC Games are 39 dollars... 39 is acceptable ;) but add rebate please? like UT2004! :D (well.. you have to own 2003 to get the rebate). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker999 Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 in NZ, 100 bucks for one game. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274957 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted June 13, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 13, 2004 nekrosoft13 said: reason whey they implement all this protection is becauase to many people copy/pirate pc games Well they are ****ing off legit users like me. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274965 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoNuTs Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 Varsity said: At least there is a use for it: you buy just *one* lisence for use per CD Key. So, i have to buy a game for a person who play the game with me two times a week ? Waste of money :laugh: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nekrosoft13 Posted June 13, 2004 Share Posted June 13, 2004 joker999 said: in NZ, 100 bucks for one game. did you heard about exchange rate? us dollar is not the same as NS dollar and bangbang023 complain about it to pirates, they are the cause Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274976 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangbang023 Veteran Posted June 13, 2004 Veteran Share Posted June 13, 2004 but they aren't going to stop piracy, we all know this. The games still get cracked and distributed and yada yada. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/177528-starforce-has-gone-way-too-far/#findComment-2274988 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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