Bisexual men: Science says they're real

[mudslag]

Marriage was designed for man and women and only recently been legal in some places. Don;t mean a Pastor has to accept to preform the marriage and it dosen't mean its right to get married to the same sex even though its legal

Marriage was created by man but its still a union between two people. Two people of the same sex who have zero to do with you or your life in no way affects you. I agree that a pastor doesnt have to marry you if they dont want. Even legally they dont have to marry anyone they dont want but there are some that are willing to marry gay people so really thats entirely up to them. As for being wrong even in legal states is nothing more then an opinion.

Sounds like you agree with me, because I am saying you can make a straight person gay.

You can force a gay person straight too that in no way means its not natural to be gay.

[WolvesHunt]

Marriage was created by man god but its still a union between two people. Man and a Women

let me fix that for you

Gen. 2:18, 21-24

The Lord God said, 'It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him'...and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh.

Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.The man said, 'This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man.' For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh

1 Corinthians 7:1-2

... It is good for a man not to marry. But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. (NIV)

This verse suggests that it is better not to marry. Those in difficult marriages would quickly agree! Throughout history it has been believed that a deeper commitment to spirituality can be achieved through a devoted life of celibacy.

Clearly this verse refers to immorality in sexual relations. In other words, it is better to marry than to be sexually immoral.

[mudslag]

let me fix that for you

Until you can prove there is a god, it was a man made creation. Good luck with that.

[lamminium]

I never said it was considered as such.

Your action doesn't conform to that view of yours. You've been rebutting the opposite view with your own, which is wholly based on your personal experience. I don't attempt to silence your right to express your belief. I just challenge the validity of your belief because you tried to push it onto others with the only proof being your personal life.

To rehash my earlier point: My gay friends aren't depressed but rather happy and accomplished individuals because we recognised that they were just the same as every one of us. If you could sit back and give your family members some care and loving grace, see if their conditions improve.

Homosexuality doesn't cause mental disorders. Societal attitudes do (and some genetic factors, it seems). For example, one, gay or straight, can be depressed. It's just asanine to arbitrarily attribute depression to being homosexual.

[Worthington]

You can force a gay person straight too that in no way means its not natural to be gay.

So you agree with the Christians that say a gay man can pray the gay out of him? What is required for a gay man to go straight?

[mudslag]

Your action doesn't conform to that view of yours. You've been rebutting the opposite view with your own, which is wholly based on your personal experience. I don't attempt to silence your right to express your belief. I just challenge the validity of your belief because you tried to push it onto others with the only proof being your personal life.

To rehash my earlier point: My gay friends aren't depressed but rather happy and accomplished individuals because we recognised that they were just the same as every one of us. If you could sit back and give your family members some care and loving grace, see if their conditions improve.

Homosexuality doesn't cause mental disorders. Societal attitudes do (and some genetic factors, it seems). For example, one, gay or straight, can be depressed. It's just asanine to arbitrarily attribute depression to being homosexual.

Logic, you have it.

[muratoner]

Gen. 2:18, 21-24

The Lord God said, 'It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him'...and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man's ribs and closed up the place with flesh.

Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.The man said, 'This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called 'woman,' for she was taken out of man.' For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh

i would watch that movie...sounds scary :rolleyes:

[WolvesHunt]

Until you can prove there is a god, it was a man made creation. Good luck with that.

well I going to start hitting you with bible verses and until you can prove the book to be wrong were even.

[Worthington]

Homosexuality doesn't cause mental disorders. Societal attitudes do (and some genetic factors, it seems). For example, one, gay or straight, can be depressed. It's just asanine to arbitrarily attribute depression to being homosexual.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that homosexuality is a result of a mental disorder.

[mudslag]

So you agree with the Christians that say a gay man can pray the gay out of him? What is required for a gay man to go straight?

No I dont agree with it but it seems they believe it can be. http://www.mediaite.com/print/marcus-bachmann-defends-clinic-against-pray-the-gay-away-charges/

well I going to start hitting you with bible verses and until you can prove the book to be wrong were even.

How does bible verses prove there is a god exactly? That's right it doesnt.

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that homosexuality is a result of a mental disorder.

Something you just stated was based on your OPINION, not fact.

[lamminium]

I'm not saying that. I'm saying that homosexuality is a result of a mental disorder.

And I said my personal experience begged to differ. That means what you concluded from your own life isn't representative of the bigger picture. Why won't you understand that?

[Worthington]

And I said my personal experience begged to differ. That means what you concluded from your own life isn't representative of the bigger picture. Why won't you understand that?

Your personal experience is a bigger picture than mine?

[mudslag]

Your personal experience is a bigger picture than mine?

I think he is suggesting that one experience (yours) doesnt equate to the rest of the world. If there are 5 people, and two of them have opposite experiences, that doesnt mean the other 3 will have a similar one to either of the first two.

[lamminium]

Your personal experience is a bigger picture than mine?

Neither is yours. So if you don't accept that my view is right, you have no logical standing to support yours. So why perpetuating your personal belief as fact when it's really not by your own admission?

[Worthington]

Neither is yours. So if you don't accept that my view is right, you have no logical standing to support yours. So why perpetuating your personal belief as fact when it's really not by your own admission?

We both have a right to our opinion. How we choose to present it is inconsequential to the way things really truly are. Stop acting as if it does.

[WolvesHunt]

How does bible verses prove there is a god exactly? That's right it doesnt.

My point exactly, You personally can not prove agents if the bible is real and if there is a god. You base ever thing off of facts and science. Since science has no answer on this subject you do not ether.

Chapters 18 and 20 of Leviticus, which form part of the Holiness code, contain the following verses:

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.[2](Leviticus 18:22 KJV)

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death

Romans

Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32

Timothy

Homosexuals (those "that defile themselves with mankind") are included on the list of lawless, disobedient, unholy, and profane people. 1:10

Timothy

Iin the last days people will become evil, "without natural affection." 000 Sound like are world coming to a end.

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I should point out that the bible uses "natural affection" a lot. meaning its a natural affection for a man to like woman and woman to like man. AND NO OTHER WAY

[mudslag]

My point exactly, You personally can not prove agents if the bible is real and if there is a god. You base ever thing off of facts and science. Since science has no answer on this subject you do not ether.

Chapters 18 and 20 of Leviticus, which form part of the Holiness code, contain the following verses:

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.[2](Leviticus 18:22 KJV)

If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death

Romans

Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32

Timothy

Homosexuals (those "that defile themselves with mankind") are included on the list of lawless, disobedient, unholy, and profane people. 1:10

Timothy

Iin the last days people will become evil, "without natural affection." 000 Sound like are world coming to a end.

I agree god cant be proven or disproven at the same time I see no reason to believe in a book or its religion without good logical reason. So quoting the bible means nothing as it still proves NOTHING. Christianity and the bible also claim all of humanity arose from two families out of incest, a laughable notion. As far as anyone knows the FSM is the one and only true god.

I should point out that the bible uses "natural affection" a lot. meaning its a natural affection for a man to like woman and woman to like man. AND NO OTHER WAY

Actually the fact that it has to point that out shows that homosexuality was around back then too. So apparently it did go the other way.

[sopharine]

I don't get why religious should come to play in the discussion. What's the point of arguing something based on your personal belief that is not proven nor should it ever be proven, as it is apparently just a belief?

Isn't science the only thing that matter as it's irrelevant of one's moral standard, be it relative or objective?

[Amarok]

well I going to start hitting you with bible verses and until you can prove the book to be wrong were even.

This, right here, this is the kind of thing that makes people get frustrated with religious folk. You can't just pick the things that suit your agenda, dude. Let me kick some religious facts to you.

Yes, the bible says that homosexuality is wrong, but it also says not to judge and to treat others as you want to be treated. You, as a Christian, are required to believe that God can change his mind. The very act of being a Christian requires you to believe that, because you're required to believe that he's already done so twice. So in theory he could very well have somewhere along the way decided that homosexuals are perfectly awesome. Just saying. Not only that, but it's not even your business. Do you think homosexuals aren't aware that at least two major religions shun them? Of course they realize it, because they get told this on a fairly regular basis. So you really don't need to tell them. They know. They know that according to those religions they're doomed, and they live with that, and that's between them and whatever god. If judgement day comes or whatever you believe and your god says "Well alright, gay people are awesome." then fantastic, and if he shows up and says "Nope, haven't changed my mind, gay people are still doomed." - That's between him and the gay people and they're the ones that have to square with that. So can we PLEASE stop spewing hatred and bigotry? You're also required to believe that nobody is perfect and that everyone sins and that almost all sins are equally bad, so maybe got hassle the murderers and rapists and you know the people that are actually like ... hurting people, rather than consenting adults that enjoy being with the same gender? That would be swell. That would be a great step forward for humanity at this point. If we can get the theists to stop screwing up their messages of peace and love with "HATE AND RAGE AND DOOM!" and get the atheists to not make blanket statements about all religious folks and just move towards an age of tolerance and awesomeness and we'll all hold hands and sing a politically correct non-religious song.

... Yeah that'll never happen because people suck. But I can dream. But not too much because the last few people to want peace got assassinated for it, because I guess humanity isn't ready for that yet.

[mudslag]

We both have a right to our opinion. How we choose to present it is inconsequential to the way things really truly are. Stop acting as if it does.

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So then admitting its your opinion makes your argument that gays are not naturally born that way moot.

[WolvesHunt]

well Im off to bed. all this talk about men with men, is going to give me a massive nightmare at this rate. ..

I going to end up being like Larry in one of his cut scenes soon..

on the floor crying * I don't want the WIENER? *

[Worthington]

So then admitting its your opinion makes your argument that gays are not naturally born that way moot.

We don't all know the whole picture, but either I'm right, you're right, or neither of us are right. There is only one truth.

[Copernic Reporter]

No. All people are born heterosexual into this world. They are repulsed by homosexuality until they are forced into it by sexual abuse, develop a mental disorder, or suffer from a physiological disorder that secondarily affects their mind, chemically.

Are you sure? Do you really think that thousands of years ago people was aware to suffer from a physiological disorder? :rolleyes:

Around the 10th millennium BC

10,000 years BC ? Around the end of Paleolithic, humans started to make artifacts which suggest an appreciation of homosexual eroticism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_LGBT_history

[mudslag]

We don't all know the whole picture, but either I'm right, you're right, or neither of us are right. There is only one truth.

Im still waiting for a proper answer as to why natural attraction to the same sex is some how invalid.

[bremic9188]

I consider myself bisexual. For as far back as I can remember I've been attracted to both sexes (not saying I was born this way, but I definitely didn't "choose"). I've dated girls for most of my life and only just this past year have I gotten in a serious relationship with a guy. Never raped, supportive non-abusive parents, never beaten, no mental disorders before or after I came out to some of my close friends and family.

Bisexuality exists. People may not "believe" in it, and that's completely fine. It just really annoys me when people say "oh no, you just don't want to accept the fact that you're gay" or "just go straight, dude." When they start pushing their religion on me to attempt to convince me to change, then I just get mad.