+M2Ys4U Subscriber¹ Posted December 3, 2011 Subscriber¹ Share Posted December 3, 2011 One in three people in Switzerland download unauthorized music, movies and games from the Internet and since last year the government has been wondering what to do about it. This week their response was published and it was crystal clear. Not only will downloading for personal use stay completely legal, but the copyright holders won?t suffer because of it, since people eventually spend the money saved on entertainment products.In Switzerland, just as in dozens of other countries, the entertainment industries have been complaining about dramatic losses in revenue due to online piracy. In a response, the Swiss government has been conducting a study into the impact downloading has on society, and this week their findings were presented. The overall conclusion of the study is that the current copyright law, under which downloading copyrighted material for personal use is permitted, doesn?t have to change. Their report begins with noting that when it comes to copying files, the Internet has proven a game-changer. While the photocopier, audio cassette tape and VCR allowed users to make good quality copies of various media, these devices lacked a in-built distribution method. The world-wide web changed all that. Distribution method or not, the entertainment industries have opposed all these technological inventions out of fear that their businesses would be crushed. This is not the right response according to the Swiss government, which favors the option of putting technology to good use instead of taking the repressive approach. ?Every time a new media technology has been made available, it has always been ?abused?. This is the price we pay for progress. Winners will be those who are able to use the new technology to their advantages and losers those who missed this development and continue to follow old business models,? the report notes. The government report further concludes that even in the current situation where piracy is rampant, the entertainment industries are not necessarily losing money. To reach this conclusion, the researchers extrapolated the findings of a study conducted by the Dutch government last year, since the countries are considered to be similar in many aspects. The report states that around a third of Swiss citizens over 15 years old download pirated music, movies and games from the Internet. However, these people don?t spend less money as a result because the budgets they reserve for entertainment are fairly constant. This means that downloading is mostly complementary. The other side of piracy, based on the Dutch study, is that downloaders are reported to be more frequent visitors to concerts, and game downloaders actually bought more games than those who didn?t. And in the music industry, lesser-know bands profit most from the sampling effect of file-sharing. The Swiss report then goes on to review several of the repressive anti-piracy laws and regulations that have been implemented in other countries recently, such as the three-strikes Hadopi law in France. According to the report 12 million was spent on Hadopi in France this year, a figure the Swiss deem too high. The report further states that it is questionable whether a three-strikes law would be legal in the first place, as the UN?s Human Rights Council labeled Internet access a human right. The Council specifically argued that Hadopi is a disproportionate law that should be repealed. Other measures such as filtering or blocking content and websites are also rejected, because these would hurt freedom of speech and violate privacy protection laws. The report notes that even if these measures were implemented, there would be several ways to circumvent them. The overall suggestion the Swiss government communicates to the entertainment industries is that they should adapt to the change in consumer behavior, or die. They see absolutely no need to change the law because downloading has no proven negative impact on the production of national culture. Aside from downloading, it is also practically impossible for companies in Switzerland to go after casual uploaders. In 2010 a federal court ruled that tracking companies are not allowed to log IP-addresses of file-sharers, making it impossible for rightsholders to gather evidence. Source: TorrentFreak Wolfbane and Crisp 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Observer Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 guess where im moving too!! and they have been child care there also. Muhammad Farrukh and Wolfbane 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594493467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nvllsvm Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Switzerland: the new home of The Pirate Bay. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594493487 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Ha, I moved here just this summer. Awesome :D Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594493719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zivan56 Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 guess where im moving too!! and they have been child care there also. You also get very long mandatory military service/training and mandatory conscription in case of war. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594493733 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 You also get very long mandatory military service/training and mandatory conscription in case of war. Which only applies to Swiss Nationals.. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594493739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
XerXis Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 You also get very long mandatory military service/training and mandatory conscription in case of war. and when was the last time they got involved in a war? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594493749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 and when was the last time they got involved in a war? It's irrelevant because it only applies to people who are Swiss by nationality. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594493751 Share on other sites More sharing options...
trag3dy Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 If only the entertainment industries would listen... common sense isn't for everyone though. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594493785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMH Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 You also get very long mandatory military service/training and mandatory conscription in case of war. According to Guinness World Record, Switzerland holds the record for being the most peaceful country in the world. This state has not been directly involved in a war, for centuries now! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594493861 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tews Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 According to Guinness World Record, Switzerland holds the record for being the most peaceful country in the world. This state has not been directly involved in a war, for centuries now! Would you go to war with the country that most likely holds your gold reserves??? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594493865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inklin Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 This is good news, If only I were swiss! (beautiful country it is) Hopefully the EU/UK govts will see the same sense. The entertainment industry have been pedaling the revenue loss bicycle for far too long and it doesn't wash at all. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594493867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethec Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Well, at least the French HADOPI will have had one purpose: to be the wrong example that you mustn't follow. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594494501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phouchg Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Digital entertainment products are in infinite supply. According to the supply and demand model the price of a product of a non-zero value must be equal to zero, disallowing compensation of expenses or profit. The one who solves this dilemma will be The One. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594494555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tech Star Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Lowkey, I want to move there now. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594494563 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oceanmotion Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Would you go to war with the country that most likely holds your gold reserves??? Ha, kinda true and who knows what else. They are right, money saved just goes elsewhere and you have to adapt but the industries have shown themselves to be slow and clueless most of the time. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594494605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detection Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Downloading and uploading FROM and TO Switzerland ....... legal too ? lol Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594494621 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+M2Ys4U Subscriber¹ Posted December 3, 2011 Author Subscriber¹ Share Posted December 3, 2011 Digital entertainment products are in infinite supply. According to the supply and demand model the price of a product of a non-zero value must be equal to zero, disallowing compensation of expenses or profit. The one who solves this dilemma will be The One. Or maybe it proves by contradiction that the current ways of modelling the market in terms of a zero-sum game are wrong. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594494627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Downloading and uploading FROM and TO Switzerland ....... legal too ? lol I wouldn't upload anything from here. They only talk about downloading for personal use - and while I don't think its been confirmed, a lot of people who haved lived here longer than I are under the impression that uploading and seeding stuff is still illegal. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594494631 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted December 4, 2011 Member Share Posted December 4, 2011 I guess when the US passes SOPA they will have to ban the entire country from the Internet. ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594495049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pack34 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 I guess when the US passes SOPA they will have to ban the entire country from the Internet. ;) And the problem would be? The country isn't paying for anything anyway so why would it matter? They just download music,movies, and books without paying a cent to the authors or composers. I honestly feel sorry for the artists in that country since it seems they have a right to what they don't pay for. Why pay for a song, movie or show if you can get it for free? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594495199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeeperOfThePizza Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 It all started with the pocket knives, ya know what i mean? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594495219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 And the problem would be? The country isn't paying for anything anyway so why would it matter? They just download music,movies, and books without paying a cent to the authors or composers. I honestly feel sorry for the artists in that country since it seems they have a right to what they don't pay for. Why pay for a song, movie or show if you can get it for free? Don't be absurd :D What a ridiculous statement. Firstly, they have looked at the credible studies that state that people who download for personal use actually spend more on average on entertainment products than people who don't. Secondly, America can't ban another country from the internet just because they don't fall in line with their draconian ideas about content. Thirdly, that would be (yet another) breach of human rights by the world police. Quite where you get the idea that "the country isn't paying for anything" I don't know. Switzerland is one of the richest countries on earth and I can guarantee that the average person here will spend much, much, much more on entertainment goods than the average American. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594495421 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dotdot Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Idea, why dont these media companys band together and form there own torrent sites, offer a monthly subscription and allow folk to download at there leisure? Oh thats right cause its more $$ in traditional models. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594495435 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azusa Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Is loli legal in Switzerland? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1042831-swiss-govt-downloading-movies-and-music-will-stay-legal/#findComment-594495453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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