Motoko. Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Loongson and MIPS are on the way to taking over China.They've recently rolled out thousands computers to Chinese schools across the country running Debian. They're already being exported to other countries and being sold online. think there's a future in Loongson and MIPS or not? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LogicalApex MVC Posted December 5, 2011 MVC Share Posted December 5, 2011 Why are all the chairs stools :| That can't be healthy to sit at for any length of time for the kids... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594498825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
djdanster Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Aslong as I never have to use one I don't mind. Probably filled with Chinese government spyware crap anyway... They're still using Windows keyboards! Also, Apple should sue for copying their design :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594498835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 They won't be running it for long. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594498849 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motoko. Posted December 5, 2011 Author Share Posted December 5, 2011 They won't be running it for long. Why? Most of China runs Debian.. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594498863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Most of china runs pirated windows. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594498865 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motoko. Posted December 5, 2011 Author Share Posted December 5, 2011 Most of china runs pirated windows. Let me rephrase my statement, Most of China in government, IT and education run Debian Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594498873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFH Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 They're still using Windows keyboards! Will it may be pretty difficult to get a classic IBM-keyboard nowadays (by classic IBM I'm referring to keyboards like the IBM Enhanced - and it's predecessors, as the "next generation" of keyboards started to include the Win- and Menu-Key?) Most of China runs Debian.. I doubt that one? Most of china runs pirated windows. I agree with that one and would like to add "XP"? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594498883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.mcdear Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 My router runs a MIPS chip. Never heard of Loongson before... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594498891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motoko. Posted December 5, 2011 Author Share Posted December 5, 2011 I should really be saying that China is transitioning to Linux, Eventually Linux will be a strong contender in China and Russia but it just hasn't happened yet. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594498893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 Let me rephrase my statement, Most of China in government, IT and education run Debian So by most of China you mean most of china with a qualifier that makes it a very small part of china, Gotcha. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594498901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motoko. Posted December 5, 2011 Author Share Posted December 5, 2011 So by most of China you mean most of china with a qualifier that makes it a very small part of china, Gotcha. you lost me. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594498907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ntrstd Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 > Loongson and MIPS are on the way to taking over China.They've recently rolled out thousands computers to Chinese schools across the country running Debian. > They're already being exported to other countries and being sold online. > think there's a future in Loongson and MIPS or not I remember a computer company that used to sell their computers to schools and other educational institutions cheap. I fink they wer called Apple or sumthink. :s Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594498921 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadEndAccount Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 Why are all the chairs stools :|That can't be healthy to sit at for any length of time for the kids... Meh, I doubt they'd be using them for so long that it would impact their health - mind you if you've ever seen kids most of them can't keep still for more than a few minutes anyway. Loongson and MIPS are on the way to taking over China.They've recently rolled out thousands computers to Chinese schools across the country running Debian.They're already being exported to other countries and being sold online. think there's a future in Loongson and MIPS or not? Do you have a link to the article etc? > Loongson and MIPS are on the way to taking over China.They've recently rolled out thousands computers to Chinese schools across the country running Debian.> They're already being exported to other countries and being sold online. > think there's a future in Loongson and MIPS or not I remember a computer company that used to sell their computers to schools and other educational institutions cheap. I fink they wer called Apple or sumthink. :s Cheapness is a relative term - most education institutions don't pay upfront for their hardware anyway, they lease it off a large organisation who provide all the support etc. The need to develop an 'home grown' alternative to the American hegemony has as much to do with 'national pride' as it has to do with being pragmatic about the future - realising that China cannot remain dependent on a foreign power for the technology required to run a reasonable size of the Chinese economy - with that size becoming bigger as the economy becomes more advance. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594498971 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiagosilva29 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 think there's a future in Loongson and MIPS or not?Members of the free software community have already adopted Lemote computers with Loongson's processors as a viable alternative. And as it doesn't support the x68 ISA, you can't run Windows there (unless if is Windows CE). If your BSD/Linux distribution has a MIPS port, you should be fine with it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594505367 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Members of the free software community have already adopted Lemote computers with Loongson's processors as a viable alternative. And as it doesn't support the x68 ISA, you can't run Windows there (unless if is Windows CE). If your BSD/Linux distribution has a MIPS port, you should be fine with it. I guess limitations are ok when they prevent you from running windows, however when there's even the slightest possibility that an OEM computer may be sold with only the ability to run windows, the the FOSS camp is out there like a marching band of babies ;) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594505461 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiagosilva29 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I meant to say x86, not x68. I guess limitations are ok when they prevent you from running windows, however when there's even the slightest possibility that an OEM computer may be sold with only the ability to run windows, the the FOSS camp is out there like a marching band of babies ;)I'm not getting your point.Microsoft is the one that controls their software, and chose to release it for a couple of ISAs. On the other side of the camp, if there's a ISA, there's probably a build for it. Depending on the restrictions and care for the implementation. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594505521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Neo Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 So what OS do those computers in the picture run? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594509125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
123456789A Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 So what OS do those computers in the picture run? Probably some kind of Linux with a shoddy UI. Linux always has those Frankenstein interfaces, made of bits and pieces of stolen Mac and Windows elements, functioning horribly together. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594509141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey S Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 They're still using Windows keyboards! Just because 99% of keyboard manufacturers include a super key, doesn't make them "Windows keyboards". Most GNU/Linux DE's use the key for special compiz/window manager functions. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594509183 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey S Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Probably some kind of Linux with a shoddy UI. Linux always has those Frankenstein interfaces, made of bits and pieces of stolen Mac and Windows elements, functioning horribly together. When will you learn that every OS borrows elements from others. So using terminology like "stolen" is infantile and fanboyish. 1. UAC is a copy of Linux's sudo, but much less secure. 2. The Charm-Bar in Windows 8 looks like a direct copy of Unity. 3. Most of the Aero features are copies of compiz. I could go on all day but I digress. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594509189 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey S Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 I guess limitations are ok when they prevent you from running windows, however when there's even the slightest possibility that an OEM computer may be sold with only the ability to run windows, the the FOSS camp is out there like a marching band of babies ;) Erm.. Windows won't run on MIPS because Microsoft hasn't ported its OS to that architecture, as far as I know anyway. In fact, the full blown Windows only runs on Intel's architectures at the moment from what I can tell. This is where FOSS always trumps proprietary. You can run GNU/Linux on pretty much any processor architecture ever dreamed up. So by most of China you mean most of china with a qualifier that makes it a very small part of china, Gotcha. Once children use non-Windows OS's in school, the general public becomes more accepting of them. I this this pattern happening all over the world too. Norway, Germany, UK, Brazil, India, China. Microsoft proprietary lock-in software is being replaced with FOSS at rapid pace. It's an exciting time. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594509199 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Erm.. Windows won't run on MIPS because Microsoft hasn't ported its OS to that architecture, as far as I know anyway. In fact, the full blown Windows only runs on Intel's architectures at the moment from what I can tell. This is where FOSS always trumps proprietary. You can run GNU/Linux on pretty much any processor architecture ever dreamed up. Once children use non-Windows OS's in school, the general public becomes more accepting of them. I this this pattern happening all over the world too. Norway, Germany, UK, Brazil, India, China. Microsoft proprietary lock-in software is being replaced with FOSS at rapid pace. It's an exciting time. The point as that the FOSS camp was cheering thatit couldn't run windows, but as soon as something can't run Linux it's a disaster, the reason is irrelevant. Oh yeah, you kow except for one tiny little detail. In all those countris, state and government organs that have adopted FOSS have almost universally switched back or are planning to. But hey, I only live here... When will you learn that every OS borrows elements from others. So using terminology like "stolen" is infantile and fanboyish. 1. UAC is a copy of Linux's sudo, but much less secure. 2. The Charm-Bar in Windows 8 looks like a direct copy of Unity. 3. Most of the Aero features are copies of compiz. I could go on all day but I digress. 1. Actually, it's a copy of least user acces or whatever it's called in unix. Which Linux copied and made less secure. The windows version is actually not less secure. But more I portably, it's usable. Sometimes you have to put usability ahead of security, or people will just disable the security completely. 2. Errr... Yeah right. Except not. Unity is a copy of the super bar anyway 3. Bwahahahahahahahahahahaha, yeah, you're funny. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594509307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
nominak Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Why are all the chairs stools :| That can't be healthy to sit at for any length of time for the kids... I think that's the point lol Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594509321 Share on other sites More sharing options...
123456789A Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 When will you learn that every OS borrows elements from others. So using terminology like "stolen" is infantile and fanboyish. 1. UAC is a copy of Linux's sudo, but much less secure. 2. The Charm-Bar in Windows 8 looks like a direct copy of Unity. 3. Most of the Aero features are copies of compiz. I could go on all day but I digress. Doubtful that any of those were copied from the dungeons of Linux, as unusable as they are. If Linux was actually a usable operating system for the desktop, it would have caught on by now. Instead, Linux really does try to directly copy elements of Mac and Windows, to the extent that on the surface, someone might mistake one for the other. Unfortunately the operation of these borrowed (I used another word for you) elements leaves a lot to be desired. Maybe 2012 will be the year of the Linux desktop? /s Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1043247-loongson-and-mips-are-on-the-way-to-taking-over-china/#findComment-594509423 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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