~Johnny Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Gamers will love it? PC Gamers? generally PC Gamers want complete customization, Windows 8 is not that. I thought they wanted a high-performance system that let them use as much resources as possible to play games? Windows 8 does that slightly better than 7 :p Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594721240 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaredFrost Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I thought they wanted a high-performance system that let them use as much resources as possible to play games? Windows 8 does that slightly better than 7 :p Yes, a high-performance system they customized that way, with software that lets them customize every little setting to get the most out of their current hardware. And that -slightly- better may just be the clean installs of Windows, time will tell on that one. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594721262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Yes, a high-performance system they customized that way, with software that lets them customize every little setting to get the most out of their current hardware. And that -slightly- better may just be the clean installs of Windows, time will tell on that one. I don't really get what you mean? PC Gamers generally don't want extra software that customises everything on the PC as that adds a ton of useless processes that are constantly running. They might use overclocking software, in which case it is not related to Win8 in any way. What they do like is a lightweight operating system that intelligently uses hardware and maintains it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594721296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xendrome Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 How so? Keyboard interactions will allow less distractions with the mouse. I don't see how in the past, I have been able to navigate the OS almost 100% with my mouse and using the GUI functions with it, and now suddenly I have to do half of the stuff with the keyboard in addition to the mouse = less distractions.... MFH 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594721310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leesmithg Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 And this is why you shouldn't judge something just by what other people have told you. It performs better than Windows 7 already, even without specialised drivers being available. Gamers will love Windows 8. It came from Microsoft. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594721398 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Gamers will love it? PC Gamers? generally PC Gamers want complete customization, Windows 8 is not that. Not you're thinking of customizers, gamers they want to, surprise surprise, game, just plain be able to fire p a game and play, and if their gear is getting old, tweak the game to run better. Sometimes the customized and the gamer is the seem person, but in general they're not, though most customized are also gamers, but gamers outnumber them about 10000 to 1 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594721478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 I don't see how in the past, I have been able to navigate the OS almost 100% with my mouse and using the GUI functions with it, and now suddenly I have to do half of the stuff with the keyboard in addition to the mouse = less distractions.... What exactly in win 8 can't you do with the keyboard Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594721542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 Let's hope so. Somebody's gotta get us into the next era of computing. It would be a shame if by the year 2100 all other tech and UIs had advanced but people were still using icons and menus of folders to do their computing. Hah. That would suck considering computers have advanced faster than any other tech we have EXCEPT the UI. But, but, but.... Microsoft isn't allowed to change a damned thing! Everyone else can, but I swear to God, if they move one more button, I'm switching to a Mac! /S Stoffel 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594721636 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MorganX Posted March 11, 2012 Share Posted March 11, 2012 What exactly in win 8 can't you do with the keyboard He didn't say he couldn't do something with the keyboard. He said he's finding he's having to use it more than he wants to and used to "have" to. But, but, but.... Microsoft isn't allowed to change a damned thing! Everyone else can, but I swear to God, if they move one more button, I'm switching to a Mac! /S If it weren't for Windows 7, trust me, many people would. But you really can't say that at this point. MS has a lot of time to change/improve some of the areas of complaint. OS X up to Lion will never be a better choice than Windows 7. Better than Windows 8 ... so far I'd say it is possible ... Speaking only of the UI/UX that is. Under the hood there's no contest, Windows is the superior OS and has been for some time IMO. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594722138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
migo Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Gamers will love it? PC Gamers? generally PC Gamers want complete customization, Windows 8 is not that. You'll get it when it hits final release. A lot of customizations on Windows 7 weren't available for the beta. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594723008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psreloaded Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Because it's disruptive to the workflow? It's awkward?! Hey to each there own. In the end, I'll be happy to stick with Win7 if the final release of Win8 is not to my liking. And there is OS X.... !!! This. For a PC with a 24" non touch monitor, a full screen start screen is useless. While using IDEs, it does not help at all to jump to the start screen every now and then. And as I said earlier, this change means that I would need to put the My Computer, My Documents, My Pictures... shortcuts on the desktop, something which I don't want to do but they are not leaving a choice. At the end it is all about choice and preference and the start screen, which is awesome on a tablet, is not very productive on PCs. And not to mention the UI inconsistencies, specially when it comes to scroll bars. My take is, if a person wants to stay on metro, he should be able to stay on it without touching aero and if some wants to stay on desktop, he should be able to do that as well... currently, they have split half the PC settings you can only configure from metro or aero, which is bizzare. deactivated170812 and MFH 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594723020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orange Battery Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 What is it with the keyboard shortcuts? I kind of like to use my mouse - Im all for new keyboard shortcuts but if the button we all use on screen is gone then its just plain annoying for most. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594723022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astrum Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I?ve been running Windows 8 Consumer Preview for a few days and I should say Metro User Interface has no bright future for a regular PC with a mouse and a keyboard. All this tiling nightmare is an attempt to make a structural multi-purpose information display, and that idea has three big issues: User need is overestimated. I don?t have a need to see multiple screens/tiles simultaneously, like weather and emails and photos, etc. My desktop (or, whatever, monitor screen) is not a control panel of the aircraft where, for instance, this need is present. Even if it was, it would need to be frozen, fixed for each and every display or tile. PC is considered in a wrong way. My PC is not a giant mobile phone. On a mobile phone with a tiny touch screen that free space would be probably useless. Yet I enjoy and appreciate the free space on the desktop. PC is special in that regard. Apple does not mix mobile and desktop, why Microsoft should? Core concepts are overlooked. Basically common sense is put underneath MS corporate intelligence as it seems. Simplicity is good, limitation is not. I don?t mind multitude of controls, small fonts and complexity. I hate rules that cannot be hacked. I am annoyed with the whole approach of ?follow the pattern?-style in mouse navigation. It is not convenient, period. And don?t tell me shutting down of PC is stupid, that is my cow and it is up to me what to do with it. MFH 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594723032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 This. For a PC with a 24" non touch monitor, a full screen start screen is useless. While using IDEs, it does not help at all to jump to the start screen every now and then. And as I said earlier, this change means that I would need to put the My Computer, My Documents, My Pictures... shortcuts on the desktop, something which I don't want to do but they are not leaving a choice. At the end it is all about choice and preference and the start screen, which is awesome on a tablet, is not very productive on PCs. And not to mention the UI inconsistencies, specially when it comes to scroll bars. My take is, if a person wants to stay on metro, he should be able to stay on it without touching aero and if some wants to stay on desktop, he should be able to do that as well... currently, they have split half the PC settings you can only configure from metro or aero, which is bizzare. Can't you just put those shortcuts on the start screen. And seriously, if opening the start screen disrupts you from what you're doing then you're much to easily distracted to be doing any sort of coding in the first place. Why do you need to go to the start screen all the time anyway, open the stuff you need then switch between them. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594723042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
subcld Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 two hours is not enough for trying something really new and different and you can't judge the OS in just two hours Muhammad Farrukh 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594723106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
psreloaded Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Can't you just put those shortcuts on the start screen. And seriously, if opening the start screen disrupts you from what you're doing then you're much to easily distracted to be doing any sort of coding in the first place. Why do you need to go to the start screen all the time anyway, open the stuff you need then switch between them. I mostly navigate from the start menu and so have a habit of using the start menu every now and then for files/folders, etc. Now you could say, use the explorer from task-bar but that is not the point. The start menu was made that way for a particular usage style which I have... the start screen does not support that. See, in windows 7, the design is consistent... unless its a full screen game, you have taskbar access all the time... but here... you click start and every thing else is gone. You find it a nice change while I don't. I don't need such a big start screen on a desktop... on a tablet or touch interface, its great. I am just saying its not a well thought out design clubbing two entirely different interfaces. metro apps are listed on the left while aero apps are there on the conventional taskbar, which is inconsistent. bad or good, i am not judging... but its definitely problematic initially. MFH 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594723126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
赛博朋克 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 two hours is not enough for trying something really new and different and you can't judge the OS in just two hours Yes, you can. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594723142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogward Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Tried... and tried hard to "get in love" with it... for a whole week now... But I simply can't. Metro is just NOT for desktop. Win8 will be awesome on tablets and portable touch stuff... But it is simply not a viable option for desktop PC. If nothing changes between the CP and the final version, I'm staying on Win7 for a long time :). and, BTW, I find Win7 truely awesome. I guess that improving it maybe was just too hard this time... MFH 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594723148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhangm Supervisor Posted March 12, 2012 Supervisor Share Posted March 12, 2012 I'm a bit surprised at how many people say that they "navigate from the Start menu". What does that even mean? I use it to launch programs and open files...in both scenarios, I use the search box exclusively. I pin my most frequently used programs and files on the taskbar, which is pretty analogous to the Start screen but obviously not as flexible. So what is everyone else doing with their Start menu? Digging through folders? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594723150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
赛博朋克 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 I'm a bit surprised at how many people say that they "navigate from the Start menu". What does that even mean? I use it to launch programs and open files...in both scenarios, I use the search box exclusively. I pin my most frequently used programs and files on the taskbar, which is pretty analogous to the Start screen but obviously not as flexible. So what is everyone else doing with their Start menu? Digging through folders? I quote my own post about the start menu: I never used the start menu like "start > all programs > choose program". My most used apps are pinned to the taskbar, and those which are not used as much, are pinned to the start menu "start > choose program". No matter where I am, no matter what I do, I can always start a program with ONE (taskbar) or TWO (start menu) clicks. Useful and efficient. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594723182 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawkMan Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Tried... and tried hard to "get in love" with it... for a whole week now... But I simply can't. Metro is just NOT for desktop. Win8 will be awesome on tablets and portable touch stuff... But it is simply not a viable option for desktop PC. If nothing changes between the CP and the final version, I'm staying on Win7 for a long time :). and, BTW, I find Win7 truely awesome. I guess that improving it maybe was just too hard this time... Of course it's a viable alternative, it's the same as the start menu, except in some ways that are better. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594723194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
techguy77 Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Honestly you just need two hours for this OS to try because there is nothing new compared to Windows 7 except for new Metro and back end changes we don't see. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594723382 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farchord Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Look guys, fact of the matter is, push comes to shove, most of us will adapt to Windows 8. What I mostly worry about is the people who can barely use computers, like our moms and dads. I know a couple people right the top of my mind that had a VERY hard time getting used to switching from Windows 98 to Windows XP. Imagine from XP/7 to 8! They're gonna go nuts! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594723396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdegree Posted March 12, 2012 Share Posted March 12, 2012 Honestly you just need two hours for this OS to try because there is nothing new compared to Windows 7 except for new Metro and back end changes we don't see. A friend has it installed and convinced me to give it a shot. I knew in less than an hour Windows 8 is not for me. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594723404 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhangm Supervisor Posted March 12, 2012 Supervisor Share Posted March 12, 2012 I quote my own post about the start menu: Well, then I don't see why people are crying about being somehow crippled by the transition from Start menu to Start screen. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1061200-windows-8-enough-after-about-2-hours/page/24/#findComment-594723410 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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