Windows 8 Consumer Preview: A Call for Common Sense

By BajiRav
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subcld

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Uninstall all apps from Metro and unpin everything except for Desktop. Also turn off all notifications. Not sure how to remove annoying lock screen. You will have to pin things to Taskbar and make some Desktop shortcuts so you never revisit Metro Start menu while you on computer. It is possible to get around it but it takes time to setup everything.

lol why not tell him to use windows 7

lock screen annoying ? its better than alt+ctrl+del to unlock your screen 1 click using up arrow key done

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clearly the metro media player still beta don't expect it to have full features

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justmike

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If people have to shut up about whatever they don't like in Windows8 then what's the freaking point in releasing a preview, just wait until RTM and tell people to suck it up with every flaw that might have been fixed thanks to users feedback.

I really don't get all that "stop criticizing Windows8", people can say whatever they want about whatever subject they want.

If you can't deal with that, tough luck.

Jeez, going by the way some people jump to defend Windows8 one would think people were mocking a gimp.

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.... see if you can actually learn to live with it.

I've been using the Windows 8 Consumer Preview for over a week now, and have been listening to the bitching and moaning on Twitter and via email since, oh, about 6:45 am PT last Wednesday. (You know, roughly speaking.) And as I write up front in my Windows books, maybe it's time I establish my expectations. For you.

Yes, I'm going on a rant here. And, yes, this time it's personal.

See if you can live with it ?

Good god -- no one should have to buy a product they don't like.

And why rant ? Let the rest of us just ignore Windows 8. :laugh:

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techguy77

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lol why not tell him to use windows 7

lock screen annoying ? its better than alt+ctrl+del to unlock your screen 1 click using up arrow key done

@ warwagon

clearly the metro media player still beta don't expect it to have full features

Windows 8 is more than just Metro. That Player will never be good as VLC for Desktop. Case Closed.

Ever heard of Fitt's law? That's why start button is in a corner like it is/was.

Fitt's law is incorrect. Mathematically i can prove lot of crap but it does not apply. I am in Mathematics for 20 years. The problem of law are incorrect assumptions.

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See if you can live with it ?

Good god -- no one should have to buy a product they don't like.

And why rant ? Let the rest of us just ignore Windows 8. :laugh:

What he means is, don't look at it as being Win7

Accept that it is a different OS and you will have to learn how to use it.

Then give it a go and find out if with this different way you can be productive.

If you can't fair enough, but you might just like it.

You are not giving Win 8 a fair chance by installing it and then just asap try to get the start menu back and complain that it is different.

Who can truly say they can't be as productive if you are not wanting to learn the new way of doing things?

That's what it is really about, but that's just my opinion.

Metro on a domain? LOL, once I get done blocking things, there won't be much Metro functionality left at all.

Don't you think it would be easy for an admin to preconfigure the start screen with the apps the employees are allowed to use.

Don't allow them to use the desktop (that doesn't mean they can't use a desktop app).

At that point they can't do much wrong anymore to f*ck up their pc, can they now?

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techguy77

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What he means is, don't look at it as being Win7

Accept that it is a different OS and you will have to learn how to use it.

Then give it a go and find out if with this different way you can be productive.

If you can't fair enough, but you might just like it.

You are not giving Win 8 a fair chance by installing it and then just asap try to get the start menu back and complain that it is different.

Who can truly say they can't be as productive if you are not wanting to learn the new way of doing things?

That's what it is really about, but that's just my opinion.

Don't you think it would be easy for an admin to preconfigure the start screen with the apps the employees are allowed to use.

Don't allow them to use the desktop (that doesn't mean they can't use a desktop app).

At that point they can't do much wrong anymore to f*ck up their pc, can they now?

It is not gonna work because most people need access to physical files and actively work on Desktop. A work is much more complex from what you described however i can see Metro being utilized as ATM, Airports to check in/out flight and things like that which require touch screen.

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Fitt's law is incorrect. Mathematically i can prove lot of crap but it does not apply. I am in Mathematics for 20 years. The problem of law are incorrect assumptions.

Then you should know the difference between math and physics. Fitts law is correct because it matches the data.
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johnporter29

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Unfortunately, quite a few posters here have exactly the same "if you don't like Metro, you are an idiot" attitude. It is annoying and insulting.

Works both ways! :D

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Fitt's law is incorrect. Mathematically i can prove lot of crap but it does not apply. I am in Mathematics for 20 years. The problem of law are incorrect assumptions.

Well, to be pedantic about it, all laws are incomplete descriptions of phenomena. Does that mean they aren't useful? Newtonian laws work fine for describing most of the motion we see, just as Fitt's law is fine for use with GUIs.

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justmike

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Don't you think it would be easy for an admin to preconfigure the start screen with the apps the employees are allowed to use.

Don't allow them to use the desktop (that doesn't mean they can't use a desktop app).

At that point they can't do much wrong anymore to f*ck up their pc, can they now?

I'll have to block anything that gives a user the power to install or download anything into the computer in any way via policy. The users will need their accepted apps, and IE non-blocked access. All apps we have now would take the user into their desktop, we would not be able to re-buy all of those apps anytime soon. I may be able to plug all those links into Metro, but how is that any better than placing them into their desktop that they will be in already?

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I really think Windows 8 in its current form is a horrible decision. There is no reason to unify a desktop PC, laptop, and tablet into one interface. I mean there probably is a reason Apple hasn't done this yet - because it's simply a bad idea. Sure Apple is trying to bring iOS and OS X closer together, but I don't see them taking it as far as Microsoft. I can't even imagine how long it's going to take the average joe to learn Windows 8.

Also with using a netbook most of the time, not being able to use metro at all really makes it even more pointless for me. Even though I wouldn't use Windows 8 with it fully enabled either. But that's where it ends. I'm not going to run around on forums insulting people's opinions, choices, intelligence, and act butt hurt. Instead, I'll just use Ubuntu and wait to see what Windows 9 will have to offer. How some of you get so worked up over this crud never ceases to amaze me.

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BajiRav

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Fitt's law is incorrect. Mathematically i can prove lot of crap but it does not apply. I am in Mathematics for 20 years. The problem of law are incorrect assumptions.

Umm, your 20 years in mathematics are related to this, how? Fitt's law has been well studied and widely implemented in most interfaces. Your opinion of the law doesn't necessarily mean anything.

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subcld

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Windows 8 is more than just Metro. That Player will never be good as VLC for Desktop. Case Closed.

according to paul thurroit windows 8 is metro and desktop just an app

metro media player will never be as good as vlc < well thats depend on your demands and your needs wait for the final version then compare it with vlc anyway i don't use vlc cause i don't need it

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Ever heard of Fitt's law? That's why start button is in a corner like it is/was.

I'd buy that, if it weren't for the fact that so much of Windows (and increasingly other OSs as well) totally ignores Fitt's Law. And the main thing in OS X that really obeys that law (the persistent menu bar at the top of the screen) is one of the main things that people used to Windows like to bitch about.

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BajiRav

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I'd buy that, if it weren't for the fact that so much of Windows (and increasingly other OSs as well) totally ignores Fitt's Law. And the main thing in OS X that really obeys that law (the persistent menu bar at the top of the screen) is one of the main things that people used to Windows like to bitch about.

Yea I bitch about that because there is disconnect when menubar is separated from window. The Fitt's law implementation in apple menu has nothing to do with the reason people used to to Windows like to bitch about it. Nice try.

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Fitt's law is incorrect. Mathematically i can prove lot of crap but it does not apply. I am in Mathematics for 20 years. The problem of law are incorrect assumptions.

L.O.L.

So now, a theory that's over 50 years old and proved countless thousands of times through research papers and studies is incorrect? Not only is it a correct law, it's also a statement of common sense. As for why it applies to the corners - they have a practically INFINITE error threshold in regards to moving towards them when you're aiming for them - no matter how much you try to move your mouse pointer past them you never can, meaning even if you wildly swing you mouse into the corner - at whatever speed - you're still going to be in the corner. They are mathematically, logically, and realistically the easiest points to hit on a screen with a mouse from anywhere else on your screen. They do not require precision nor much concentration to get into or to hit.

If you'd like to point out any other area on your screen that you can easily hit without paying much attention to what your doing or where your mouse is going, do tell. (Although, no such other points exist so it would be a rather fruitless exercise). And that is why the start button is there, and why Windows 8 relies on corners for mouse controls.

Also humorous that just over 3 weeks ago you'd never even heard of Fitt's law, but you seem to be able confidently state that it's incorrect now.

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With regard to corners and the Charms bar, they did a good job for almost every case.

The one I'm having trouble with is my dual-monitor setup, where the right-hand corner of my primary monitor had the hotspots, but they are effectively in the middle of the screen content, rather than in a corner. This makes it pretty hard to hit, but thankfully there is Win + C.

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MorganX

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Fanboy? He's been moaning a LOT about Windows 8 & Windows Phone, if you've been keeping up with his posts for the last couple of years. Apparently he was a little miffed Microsoft decided to stop keeping him in the loop :p

Fanboy, at times. Shill, always.

With regard to corners and the Charms bar, they did a good job for almost every case.

The one I'm having trouble with is my dual-monitor setup, where the right-hand corner of my primary monitor had the hotspots, but they are effectively in the middle of the screen content, rather than in a corner. This makes it pretty hard to hit, but thankfully there is Win + C.

So ... you don't see going to the lower left corner of the screeen to get back to the start menu, and intuitively thinking you should click on the start page thumbnail and moving your mouse over it causes the bar to go away and you to miss, as a problem?

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So ... you don't see going to the lower left corner of the screeen to get back to the start menu, and intuitively thinking you should click on the start page thumbnail and moving your mouse over it causes the bar to go away and you to miss, as a problem?

When I first ran the Windows 7 beta I would mouse over the icons of open apps on the taskbar and when the thumbnail popped up, I would hover on it which would cause a preview of the app in full to come up. I would then raise my mouse up to try and click into the app only to have it disappear. It took a minute to fully train myself to either click the icon or click the thumbnail once it came up.

The Start Tip or Thumbnail is the same way. It will simply take a moment to train yourself to do it. I've already done so. But, there'd be nothing wrong with making it clickable which would be more natural initially. As far as a problem... I don 't see it as one. If we learned 7, we can learn 8.

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