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[pmrd]

Microsoft's visionary Office video focuses on the app. Particularly Office, and there's not much with software that can't be done today. Microsoft's designers simply don't have that much style. Apple's Keynote and Numbers come closer to that type of polish and cool productivity. Microsoft can't deliver that kind of app on Windows Phone though its quite capable today. Has nothing to do with Windows 8 or Metro.

Notably though, while content consumption can be managed by touching the screen on a mobile device in the video, the workstation had a keyboard and stylus/tablet input device. In fact, touch took place on an LCD/Screen on the keyboard. Not a workstation user reaching up touching their display all day long.

All of that is doable now (with regards to the software). I just don't think MS will ever deliver anything that slick, hopefully x86 app devs will. Somehow MS has to create tools to get more creative people designing application UIs. Microsoft can't even design nice icons so I don't know why anyone thinks they could deliver this vision themselves.

What? Are you Bill Gates you seem to know everything about MS. MS needs to create tools to get more creative people making UIs? That statement alone proves you never touched Visual Studio. And wtf is a x86 app developer? Stop talking out of your ass, your post is mostly nonsense

[MorganX]

What? Are you Bill Gates you seem to know everything about MS. MS needs to create tools to get more creative people making UIs? That statement alone proves you never touched Visual Studio. And wtf is a x86 app developer? Stop talking out of your ass, your post is mostly nonsense

No, like you, I'm someone posting my opinion online.

Visual Studio, yes, that has resulted in users interfaces that are quite creative, please, show the examples. We are talking about UIs here as in the video, please show me the application UIs that Visual Studio has helped actual graphic designers who developed the imagery in the video deliver to desktop applications? Pull it out of your ass if you have to.

x86 app developers would be anyond developing applicaitons for today's PCs running intel processors derived from the x86 architecture which would be PCs and Macs. With Apple hiring more designers resulting in them developing productivity applications that come closer to the images in the video being discussed.

Visual Studio developers tend to be boring programmers and not graphic designers who tend to develop nicer UIs and Icons, and consistent look & feel than programmmers. And you are correct, I do not touch Visual Studio, I hire and fire those who do.

But I am interested in your examples since you believe that Visual Studio has delivered in these areas. I await your links, and less lip service.

[pmrd]

No, like you, I'm someone posting my opinion online.

Visual Studio, yes, that has resulted in users interfaces that are quite creative, please, show the examples. We are talking about UIs here as in the video, please show me the application UIs that Visual Studio has helped actual graphic designers who developed the imagery in the video deliver to desktop applications? Pull it out of your ass if you have to.

x86 app developers would be anyond developing applicaitons for today's PCs running intel processors derived from the x86 architecture which would be PCs and Macs. With Apple hiring more designers resulting in them developing productivity applications that come closer to the images in the video being discussed.

Visual Studio developers tend to be boring programmers and not graphic designers who tend to develop nicer UIs and Icons, and consistent look & feel than programmmers. And you are correct, I do not touch Visual Studio, I hire and fire those who do.

But I am interested in your examples since you believe that Visual Studio has delivered in these areas. I await your links, and less lip service.

What are you smoking? Ever heard of WPF or Silverlight? What more can you do with another IDE? Wow.... Ignorance is strong with you. I can assure you that Visual Studio can make any UI you can imagine and faster than any other IDE available. Exemples? http://www.telerik.com/developer-productivity-tools.aspx is a good example of nice UI design and it's for Visual Studio.

[MorganX]

What are you smoking? Ever heard of WPF or Siverlight? What more can you do with another IDE? Wow.... Ignorance is strong with you. I can assure you that Visual Studio can make any UI you can imagine.

I asked you to point me to the applications and if you cannot, I stand by my assertion that MS needs to, among other things, make tools that are more accesible and encourage more designers to create UIs as shown in the video.

I don't want to imagine the UI, that's what the video is for, I say show me. The tools you are referencing are here now, they've been here long enough for Silverlight to be tombstoned, so show me the applications, clearly you cannot, which I already know.

telerik is a nice UI, but it's remoteness proves my point. Neowin web has a better UI than most apps. Work/Tools are needed here. Metro and it's tools and the consumption of applets may encourage more designers to create these types of UIs as would tool targeted more toward the creative types, and not so much the programmatic types.

[sanctified Veteran]

The questions are:

1.- Do we have the choice to choose colors for our start screen? I dont want that multicolored crap.

2.- Do we have the choice to disable push tiles? I dont want my OS to inform me of everything at all times.

[pmrd]

I asked you to point me to the applications and if you cannot, I stand by my assertion that MS needs to, among other things, make tools that are more accesible and encourage more designers to create UIs as shown in the video.

I don't want to imagine the UI, that's what the video is for, I say show me. The tools you are referencing are here now, they've been here long enough for Silverlight to be tombstoned, so show me the applications, clearly you cannot, which I already know.

http://www.telerik.c...vity-tools.aspx Now please return from under the rock where you emerged. I'm a programmer and a UI designer and Visual Studio is by far the best thing out there. You fire people who use Visual Studio? You must have a really successful company :)

[MorganX]

http://www.telerik.c...vity-tools.aspx Now please return from under the rock where you emerged. I'm a programmer and a UI designer and Visual Studio is by far the best thing out there.

I'm not going to debate whether or not Visual Studio is the best thing out there, I'll leave that to a programmer to choose. What my point is and remains, the tools that are out there, clearly are not reaching a whole lot of creative types. When tools are available that do reach these types, or that they want to use, we will see much better UIs.

[pmrd]

I'm not going to debate whether or not Visual Studio is the best thing out there, I'll leave that to a programmer to choose. What my point is and remains, the tools that are out there, clearly are not reaching a whole lot of creative types. When tools are available that do reach these types, or that they want to use, we will see much better UIs.

Clearly you are living under a rock or you are some kind of Santa Claus or God from a parallel universe. Why don't you pay a little visit to www.dreamspark.com or www.xna.com to see if the tools are reaching the creative people yet. Wow.. I've never seen someone talk about something they have no idea about like you. Please educate yourself on the subject before replying, you may want to try "WPF" in a google search to put some little knowledge in that brain of yours.

[MorganX]

Clearly you are living under a rock or you are some kind of Santa Claus or God from a parallel universe. Why don't you pay a little visit to www.dreamspark.com or www.xna.com to see if the tools are reaching the creative people yet. Wow.. I've never seen someone talk about something they have no idea about like you. Please educate yourself on the subject before replying, you may want to try "WPF" in a google search to put some little knowledge in that brain of yours.

I asked you for the applications not the tools. You think name calling like a spoiled child-like programmer will hide the fact that you can't backup your bull****?

This is why programmers generally stick to programming. You ask them for applications developed with the tools and they point you to sites for the tools.

[pmrd]

I asked you for the applications not the tools. You think name calling like a spoiled child-like programmer will hide the fact that you can't backup your bull****?

This is why programmers generally stick to programming. You ask them for applications developed with the tools and they point you to sites for the tools.

http://www.metrotwit.com/

http://www.telerik.c...ucts/fdeck.aspx

http://origininterac...nd-development/

to name a few... now please stop being so ignorant... People are making great apps you're just pretending they are not. Tool makers would be out of business if no one made apps with them. Oh and keep pretending "x86 app developers" are a thing.. that's cute

[TygrScott]

The Start menu hasn't been fit for purpose for years (especially the Windows 95-style menu that you yearn for) and the Start screen fixes most of its predecessors problems:

• It's no longer ridiculously cramped
  
• You don't have to click through countless menus or search through endless lists of meaningless tiny icons to find things
  
• You can finally group your most used apps in a variety of ways
  
• The frequently used apps list, which never did anything after about a day of use, is (thankfully) gone.
  
• More search results are visible and can be easily filtered
  

Hmmm, am I the only one that finds Windows 7 simpler than Windows 8? I can't be. I hit Winkey, type what I want, enter. Winkey + type calc + enter 1 second, its open. If I want Adobe Photoshop, I start typing Pho....there it is, enter. <shrug>

[pmrd]

Hmmm, am I the only one that finds Windows 7 simpler than Windows 8? I can't be. I hit Winkey, type what I want, enter. Winkey + type calc + enter 1 second, its open. If I want Adobe Photoshop, I start typing Pho....there it is, enter. <shrug>

Ok and what's the difference with Windows 8?

[Anthonyd]

The questions are:

1.- Do we have the choice to choose colors for our start screen? I dont want that multicolored crap.

2.- Do we have the choice to disable push tiles? I dont want my OS to inform me of everything at all times.

1- Yes you can pick up the accent color of your choice.

2- Yes. But I don't see why you want to disable live tile, just don't pin the apps if not needed. Also so apps are "notification" which is a little popup that pops in the corner of your screen, and this can be disabled too.

[MorganX]

to name a few... now please stop being so ignorant... People are making great apps you're just pretending they are not. Tool makers would be out of business if no one made apps with them. Oh and keep pretending "x86 app developers" are a thing.. that's cute

None of those deliver the UI and Slick design as demonstrated in the future office video which was the context of my comments. In other words, you're just running off at the mouth. Whether or not the apps are "great" and do the job they were intended to do is not the point.

the X86 architecture isn't even a thing, it's made up, and no one develops applications for it. As I said, programmers generally should stick to what they know, programming.

[contextfree]

I wish people would stop using "Metro" to refer to the start screen. :/

[TheLegendOfMart]

Not in the sense Metro is. It's a static environment filled with icons. How interactive is that? Where's my social updates? News? Weather updates?

I don't have ADD/ADHD, I don't need all this stuff in my face every time I want to launch an app, if I want to find out what my friends are up to I launch a browser and go to facebook, if I want weather I will go to BBC Weather, if I want news I will load my newseader, I use my PC for work and games, anything else is just a distraction.

[George P Global Moderator]

I don't have ADD/ADHD, I don't need all this stuff in my face every time I want to launch an app, if I want to find out what my friends are up to I launch a browser and go to facebook, if I want weather I will go to BBC Weather, if I want news I will load my newseader, I use my PC for work and games, anything else is just a distraction.

Interesting then that you can do all of that in the desktop on Win8 just like you do in Win7. People want to talk up the start screen vs start menu argument each and every time yet since Win7 and pinning apps to the taskbar my use of the start menu has dropped off a cliff. All of you self proclaimed power users (which i'm starting to question) should be pinning most if not everything you use daily to the taskbar anyways. If you still start all or most of your apps through the start menu even on Win7 then it's clear you're stuck in the 90's and haven't moved passed that one way of doing things.

I also find it funny that some of you want to bring up desktop Gadgets, something that went nowhere with Vista or Win7. It never was really taken advantage of, but that's beside the point. You talk about bringing up the start screen in win8 as "breaking workflow" and not letting you see your running apps just to get some info yet depending on how many desktop gadgets you have and how you place them you're going to have to move your windows out of the way to see the damn gadgets anyways. How is this really any different?

At the end of the day since Win7 MS has been working people off of the start menu, it's now gone, get over it, or use one of the 3rd party start menus, yay for choice! For that few seconds I do winkey+ appname and hit enter to start something having the start screen show is hardly an issue. I'll be in the desktop just like I've always been 99% of the time, the apps I need daily will be pinned on my taskbar like they have been and I'll do my work just like I always have. This notion that the start screen is now going to totally break everyones way of using the PC is FUD. It's been blown totally out of proportion for no real reason at all.

[pmrd]

None of those deliver the UI and Slick design as demonstrated in the future office video which was the context of my comments. In other words, you're just running off at the mouth. Whether or not the apps are "great" and do the job they were intended to do is not the point.

the X86 architecture isn't even a thing, it's made up, and no one develops applications for it. As I said, programmers generally should stick to what they know, programming.

Yeah people make applications for Windows, Mac and Linux which are made for a version of the x86 architecture. Good luck having those apps run on Intel 8088's and you know what my Canon 7D and Xbox use the x86 architecture so it should run all those apps right? And I'm not simply a programmer I'm also a designer and an engineer so I think I know what I'm talking about.

Saying "I'm a x86 app developer" is like saying "I work in a building". Sounds pretty stupid right?

[TheLegendOfMart]

Interesting then that you can do all of that in the desktop on Win8 just like you do in Win7. People want to talk up the start screen vs start menu argument each and every time yet since Win7 and pinning apps to the taskbar my use of the start menu has dropped off a cliff. All of you self proclaimed power users (which i'm starting to question) should be pinning most if not everything you use daily to the taskbar anyways. If you still start all or most of your apps through the start menu even on Win7 then it's clear you're stuck in the 90's and haven't moved passed that one way of doing things.

Seriously?

I use about 20+ apps regularly, if I pinned them all to the taskbar it would just be a massive row of icons along the bottom. It's clear you don't have a clue about power users so please keep your opinions of how we are 'stuck in the 90's' to yourself.

[MorganX]

Yeah people make applications for Windows, Mac and Linux which are made for a version of the x86 architecture. Good luck having those apps run on Intel 8088's and you know what my Canon 7D and Xbox use the x86 architecture so it should run all those apps right? And I'm not a only programmer I'm also a designer and an engineer.

Saying "I'm a x86 app developer" is like saying "I work in a building"

As an engineer, though in fairness you didn't say what kind and I don't really want to know, you should know the Xbox 360, the only relevant Xbox today, uses an IBM processor based on the PowerPC architecture and instruction set. I'll take your word for it regarding the 7D.

Saying you're an x86 app developer today, means you working a building developing apps for Intel-base processors (excluding the now defunct Itanium which was IA64). But I'll concede the point if it'll make you feel better. The term will go away once WOA is available, and Intel is not very happy about it at all.

[George P Global Moderator]

Seriously?

I use about 20+ apps regularly, if I pinned them all to the taskbar it would just be a massive row of icons along the bottom. It's clear you don't have a clue about power users so please keep your opinions of how we are 'stuck in the 90's' to yourself.

If you use them regularly then it stands to reason they're open most of the time unless you like to open and close things over and over, another habit from the past. I have around 12-15 apps and windows open all the time, I don't go in and out and close things over and over. A number of them are minimized to the systray so they don't take up all of my taskbar space, or I guess you don't use apps that support that at all huh?

Regardless, as I've said, I use the start menu to open apps that I don't use as much, maybe once a week, it's a quck 2-3 sec of winkey+ appname and hit enter something that's just the same under Win8, nothings changed. And if I really wanted to use more apps and have more open all the time I'd want to upgrade to Win8 even more just for the added multimonitor support it now has, even more taskbar space to pin everything I need.

And for the record, I'll voice any opinion I have, if you don't like it cry me a river.

[pmrd]

As an engineer, though in fairness you didn't say what kind and I don't really want to know, you should know the Xbox 360, the only relevant Xbox today, uses an IBM processor based on the PowerPC architecture and instruction set. I'll take your word for it regarding the 7D.

Saying you're an x86 app developer today, means you working a building developing apps for Intel-base processors (excluding the now defunct Itanium which was IA64). But I'll concede the point if it'll make you feel better.

I was talking about the first Xbox which uses a standard Pentium 3, relevant today or not it's still next to my TV.

[Dot Matrix]

You talk about bringing up the start screen in win8 as "breaking workflow" and not letting you see your running apps just to get some info...

Don't forget, now with the new multi-monitor enhancements, you can now do this. ;)

[pmrd]

Don't forget, now with the new multi-monitor enhancements, you can now do this. ;)

Lol :p I don't get people who are concerned about "breaking workflow". Must be really important for them to see what they were doing while they are trying to do something else for a couple second.

*Opens start menu* Oh no I forgot what I was doing before.. what's my name again?

Not pointing fingers but, yes, this is how stupid some people sound.

[TheLegendOfMart]

Don't forget, now with the new multi-monitor enhancements, you can now do this. ;)

So now you have to buy a second monitor just to make it useable?