sspj Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 I wonder if anyone else has come across this: When copying all my flacs from Win8 to my Win7, I notice my Win8 computer memory usage spiked to 97% and slowed to a crawl. The Win7 is ok. Both have 16GB of ram. poolmon.exe shows the tag wfpn is the culprit. Doing a findstr shows that netio.sys is causing the problem. I restarted all the network services but the ram usage is still 97%. Only a reboot will solve this problem. The Realtek driver is update for Win8. It's consistently reproducible. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArialBlue Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I found W8 to be unstable, especially the networking code which takes about 100x longer to connect. Welcome to W8 is buggy club. :) neo1911, Raa, f0rk_b0mb and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/#findComment-595302299 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane Nokes Posted November 7, 2012 Share Posted November 7, 2012 I found W8 to be unstable, especially the networking code which takes about 100x longer to connect. Welcome to W8 is buggy club. :) Just to check...is it the networking code, or the way the drivers work on Windows 8 for your device? I ask since one of the things they really focused on was making the network connections come on faster. It's actually one of their huge talking points. I know on my older machine my connection is always on the instant I bring my machine out of sleep. In Windows 7 slow resume of networks was why I never left sleep on. I just set the monitor to turn off...now I can save power and be ready within about 3 seconds from hitting my spacebar. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/#findComment-595302373 Share on other sites More sharing options...
damkov Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 I wonder if anyone else has come across this: When copying all my flacs from Win8 to my Win7, I notice my Win8 computer memory usage spiked to 97% and slowed to a crawl. The Win7 is ok. Both have 16GB of ram. poolmon.exe shows the tag wfpn is the culprit. Doing a findstr shows that netio.sys is causing the problem. I restarted all the network services but the ram usage is still 97%. Only a reboot will solve this problem. The Realtek driver is update for Win8. It's consistently reproducible. Hi sspj, I have exact the same issue - when copying big files around LAN, torrents,.. Win8 memory usage constantly grows to 3.8GB (total ram is 4GB) and machine starts to crawl. Only restart helps. I used the same technique with poolmon.exe (http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/hardware/ff560135%28v=vs.85%29.aspx). The problem is with non-paged pool that grows all the time. The driver tag find by poolmon is "Wfpn", findstr finds "netio.sys"... this is the part of Win8 core (MS actually wrote the [bad] code..) :cry: My machine is HP Pavilion dv7 laptop. With Win7 it worked like a charm..no memory leaks. I'll probably switch back to Win7...Win8 disappointed me.. :s Anyone knows how to inform MS about that issue? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/#findComment-595306211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anibal P Posted November 8, 2012 Share Posted November 8, 2012 Hi sspj, I have exact the same issue - when copying big files around LAN, torrents,.. Win8 memory usage constantly grows to 3.8GB (total ram is 4GB) and machine starts to crawl. Only restart helps. I used the same technique with poolmon.exe (http://msdn.microsof...v=vs.85%29.aspx). The problem is with non-paged pool that grows all the time. The driver tag find by poolmon is "Wfpn", findstr finds "netio.sys"... this is the part of Win8 core (MS actually wrote the [bad] code..) :cry: My machine is HP Pavilion dv7 laptop. With Win7 it worked like a charm..no memory leaks. I'll probably switch back to Win7...Win8 disappointed me.. :s Anyone knows how to inform MS about that issue? Might be better to get HP to push out decently coded Win8 drivers, because in all likeliness it will be your driver, not Windows Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/#findComment-595306273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
damkov Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 Might be better to get HP to push out decently coded Win8 drivers, because in all likeliness it will be your driver, not Windows I've tried two options with updating Realtek Gigabit Ethernet LAN drivers: 1. install Win7 drivers (Win8 still not supported) from HP official support site --> memory leak remains 2. install Win8 Realtek latest drivers --> memory leak remains I've also disabled LAN interface and tried Wlan only --> still memory leak :( What else can I do? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/#findComment-595308451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin McGregor Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I found W8 to be unstable, especially the networking code which takes about 100x longer to connect. Welcome to W8 is buggy club. :) really? On my pc im connected before I even log in. oliver182 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/#findComment-595308467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeadEndAccount Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I've tried two options with updating Realtek Gigabit Ethernet LAN drivers:1. install Win7 drivers (Win8 still not supported) from HP official support site --> memory leak remains 2. install Win8 Realtek latest drivers --> memory leak remains I've also disabled LAN interface and tried Wlan only --> still memory leak :( What else can I do? Who makes your wireless card? did you do a clean install? what additional drivers did you install? the reason why I ask it might have something to do with something unrelated with the network card driver itself. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/#findComment-595308569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
articuno1au Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I'd agree it's driver related. I moved a couple of very large ISOs (my dev environment, office etc etc) in a single hit and didn't have any issues whatsoever. Try running robocopy to move the files and see if the leak persists. It might give you a functioning work around (although it seems unlikely). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/#findComment-595308591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
damkov Posted November 9, 2012 Share Posted November 9, 2012 I made a fresh Win8 install on HP Pavilion DV7 (not upgrade), it has integrated Realtek gigabit NIC (RTL8168). After a lot of investigation I think I found the real culprint of my memory leaks. I booted up machine in "safe mode with networking" - and suddenly memory leak has gone :) So I made a list of loaded network drivers (using DriverView from NirSoft) and compared it with the list of drivers in normal boot. Safe mode did not load the following kernel drivers: lltdio.sys, mslldp.sys, Ndu.sys, rspndr.sys, srv.sys, srv2.sys, srvnet.sys, wanarp.sys. After disabling Ndu.sys (Windows Network Data Usage Monitoring Driver) with Autoruns and normal boot - voila no more memory leaks!!!! :D Ndu driver was introduced with Win8 (http://batcmd.com/windows/8/services/ndu/) and is actually quite buggy in combination with Realtek NIC. Microsoft should fix that...let's hope soon. :cool: Hum and DraganChe 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/#findComment-595309379 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sspj Posted December 28, 2012 Author Share Posted December 28, 2012 Hi damkov - you nailed it. Big thanks for you research. I'm surprised that MS hasn't fix this problem yet. I changed the registry value instead of using Autoruns: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Services\Ndu change the Start value to 4 (for disable). I'm copy over 100GB of data now, memory usage stays at 14%. Normally, it would be 99% by now. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/#findComment-595420012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draxonic Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Took me a little while to figure out why my machine was dying on big copies. When I spotted the memory leak, it eventually led me here. Just registered to say thanks. Good on ya damkov. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/#findComment-595696516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torolol Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 yep its Microsoft alright, only fixed on next version of windows they hope you would buy. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/#findComment-595696526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjms Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 I love people who talk out of their back end. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/#findComment-595696536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 I love people who talk out of their back end. Care to elaborate on that? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/#findComment-595696556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PGHammer Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 Might be better to get HP to push out decently coded Win8 drivers, because in all likeliness it will be your driver, not Windows Now I have to wonder "which" Realtek gigabit adapter you actually have. There are three known versions of the Realtek gigabit adapter - an OEM/semi-generic version (supplied to several OEMs, including nVidia and HP), the RTL8111D/E (also semi-generic, but supplied to several OEMs and IHVs, including ASUS) and the current RTL8111F. (The RTL8111D, E, and F are supported by Windows 8 directly - they all use the same driver, in fact - the earlier version uses a Windows 7-type driver.) Also, you may want to grab Realtek's own drivers (yes - they actually DO write drivers themselves) as opposed to HP's drivers. (The rather amusing thing about Realtek's driver is that it is a generic, but WHQL-certified, Windows 7/8 driver for the RTL8111D and later - and it works with at least one NVidia LAN controller that I know of; the one included as part of the 630i nForce chipset.) That issue is not one I've had (RTL8111E PHY), and I didn't have it with the nForce chipset after switching from nForce LAN drivers to Realtek's own drivers with Windows 7. However, if you are used to Intel PHYs and Intel Ethernet drivers (especially gigabit) you may likely be spoiled - I can admit to feeling that way (Intel PRO1000CT was the precedent to in terms of gigabit to the two Realtek PHYs I referred to). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/#findComment-595697450 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger H. Veteran Posted May 19, 2013 Veteran Share Posted May 19, 2013 Old thread but seems like a driver issue as was mentioned... I don't get that with my Thinkpad (Intel 82577LM Gigabit) network card. I'm guessing this should have been solved by HP/Realtek by now. :) vcfan 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/#findComment-595697466 Share on other sites More sharing options...
vcfan Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 btw good job figuring out where the problem was occurring,but i wouldn't be so quick to blame this on a windows problem. yes you disabled a windows driver to remedy the problem, but it could have been the network card driver not playing nice with the windows driver. seems SHoTTa35 doesn't have that problem,and countless other people with different cards don't have that problem. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1117499-windows-8-high-memory-usage/#findComment-595697480 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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