Mum vs Windows 8 - attempting a shutdown

[oliver182]

Like anything, our experiences is what determines the "norm".

I had a friend once ask the simple question, "Should I get a mac - all my friends said I should?", in-which I replied, "Not unless you want to re-learn everything." - to keep it simple.

She decided to ignore me, which is fine, and bought a Mac Book and I was curious - so I asked her, "How is the mac?", and the reply of, "This is the 3rd Mac I sent back, they keep giving me left handed macs", came back to me and had me curious.

The problem was the window minimize, full screen and close was on the left side of the window but because her experiences / expectations where different, she was lead to believe - this is wrong.

What's amazing is that she got 2 replacements just for the "wrong" placement of the buttons :/

[cleverclogs]

there's a couple of pixels on each corner that prevents your mouse from sliding over.

LOL have you actually tried using that? My mouse slides right on over most of the time

[tim_s]

What's amazing is that she got 2 replacements just for the "wrong" placement of the buttons :/

She is pretty sl*ty - I am sure in a computer store she will get whatever she wants. lol

[Ryster]

I "spit vile on here daily"? perhaps you would be kind enough to post proof of this horrible accusation against me, show me one post per day I have made dating back for the last 7 days that I "spit vile" on here, I don't believe you at all.

Oh please.... you are one of the most vehement anti-Windows 8 trolls on here (along with a couple of others). Dot Matrix is entirely right in what he says.

[Sadelwo]

When I buy my Logitech keyboards, they usually have sleep/shutdown buttons so i just press those.

[pes2013]

Ive been a fan of hitting my start button and typing

shutdown /t 1 /f /s

So this pretty much has no effect on me.

[Nashy]

Oh please.... you are one of the most vehement anti-Windows 8 trolls on here. Dot Matrix is entirely right in what he says.

Well in the other end of the scale, Dot Matrix is the worst Win 8 fannoy I have seen.

He simply can not get over the fact that a large portion of Windows users do not like 8, and he doesn't accept that any of their valid concerns are indeed valid.

I suggest he, and you, look up the saying horses for courses and have a read of what it means.

[Ryster]

I'll agree there, even some of Microsofts own Windows 8 apps aren't even preinstalled with Windows. You have to go find them in the "Store" (like Remote Desktop app etc) and the location for printing is terrible!

I disagree. The printing function for Metro apps is entirely logical when you think about it. You are interacting with a device. You therefore press the device charm. It's not rocket science.

Pushing the power button to shut down would be silly on most desktop setups. I could see it for laptops or AIO machines though I never did it.

Why would it be silly? It's call the power button, not the power ON button. It powers OFF too.

I grew up to NOT touch the button on the front. You always shut down from the OS, and once it told you it was safe, you could touch the button.

Now we're being told to do the opposite.

I wish MS had a refund policy for this useless OS.

The power button hasn't been a physical power button since the ACPI standard came out in 1996, and has triggered a "clean" shutdown (or sleep in Vista and 7) in Windows since not long after that (Windows 98 had it I think). If you want to live in the past where the power button physically cut the power to the machine nearly 20 years ago, then fair play to you. But if so, what are you doing with Windows 8?

Well in the other end of the scale, Dot Matrix is the worst Win 8 fannoy I have seen.

He simply can not get over the fact that a large portion of Windows users do not like 8, and he doesn't accept that any of their valid concerns are indeed valid.

I suggest he, and you, look up the saying horses for courses and have a read of what it means.

You are just as bad. Saying "large portion" without any corroborating facts whatsoever. If I said "an equally large portion of Windows users DO like 8" you'd be all over me like a rash.

Sure Windows 8 has a few issues here and there. But the shutdown options are where they are for a reason. When you're in Metro apps, you don't want to force people to go back to the start screen to shut down. That's just as stupid as making people click on Start to shutdown lol. To provide the shutdown options in a common place no matter where you are in the OS means it has to be on the charms bar somewhere. I for one don't think a 6th charm is needed just for power options. Especially as there are several alternative ways of shutting down your PC.

Perhaps they could rename the Settings charm to "System" ? That might make it more obvious that power controls are inside.

[medhunter]

Surely, everything new needs a learning curve.But come on , this is windows.What sells here is that it is Familiar.

If I have to learn some OS tricks from scratch, why shouldn't I consider a new one?

[+Warwagon MVC]

After reading most of this thread, I have come to the conclusion that this should be dot matrix's new sig

[Dot Matrix]

After reading most of this thread, I have come to the conclusion that this should be dot matrix's new sig

You guys can hurl all the **** you want at me. Still doesn't make it any less of a fact. Change is part of the game -

Did we HAVE to move away from the abacus? No, but we did anyway. Did we HAVE to move away from the large ENIAC systems? No, but we did anyway. Did we HAVE to move away from the CLI? No, but we did anyway. Did we HAVE to move away from Program Manager? No, but we did anyway. Did we HAVE to move away from Windows 95? No, but we did anyway. Same principal applies here. Do we HAVE to move away from the desktop? No, but we're never going to get anywhere by clinging to it.

The GUI will evolve to incorporate new technologies like touch and Kinect/motion sense. Things the old 80's/90's desktop can't and never will handle. Again, all you have to do is look at science fiction film/TV to see what's can be and almost will be possible in the future. All you need is some vision.

[Luc2k]

You guys can hurl all the **** you want at me. Still doesn't make it any less of a fact.

It's true, Dot is from the future, so he knows what he's talking about. Anything some people like me might perceive as "speculation" or "talking out of one's ass" has actually happened. Even though I don't like W8 now, I will in the future. It is gospel.

[StrikedOut]

Ive been a fan of hitting my start button and typing

shutdown /t 1 /f /s

So this pretty much has no effect on me.

No need for /f as it is implied when t is greater than 0. :)

[Seketh]

After reading most of this thread, I have come to the conclusion that this should be dot matrix's new sig

That's a fine signature. Perfect for the last 30 years or so of the PC industry.

Your argument is therefore invalid.

It's true, Dot is from the future, so he knows what he's talking about. Anything some people like me might perceive as "speculation" or "talking out of one's ass" has actually happened. Even though I don't like W8 now, I will in the future. It is gospel.

You will like Metro in Windows 9. It will change a bit, but will be basically the same mechanism. However, the fact that it isn't new, not being a major change, and that you won't have any frustration since you learned how to use it in Windows 8 will make you like it.

So, I'm from the future also.

I find it absolutely hilarious that some people here think change is not necessary, when for the past 30 years the PC industry growth and development has been all about change.

I wonder if liberals like Windows 8 more than conservatives. Would make sense for some opinions here.

[testman]

Well obviously 9+ people agree with me. Stop trying to start stuff up. I mean really? C'mon.

Wow 9 people compared to the millions of people who simply press the power button to switch off in the simplest way possible. If you want to do things the hard way and complain when it's even harder in the new OS, then good for you. Just don't complain about it so much. Everyone else will simply just use the easiest and most consistent way that hasn't changed in nearly 20 years.

[dead.cell]

Many people are following the assumption that it's okay to be an ignorant consumer and that Microsoft should cater to you. No, that's not how it works. When you buy a product, ANY product, you take the time to learn about what it is you're buying. I mean, unless of course you're just wasteful, in which case, good on you for buying something you have no clue about only to bitch about it on the internet. /golfclap

As for the video, I find it completely off base. You don't sit someone in front of a computer and expect them to know how everything works without telling them. If she went out to buy a computer herself, I'm sure she would have at least asked questions regarding what she's looking at, or maybe how to use it. At least, that's in giving her credit on the notion that she's a smart consumer. She was able to open the web just fine, so I'm not sure if she was limited to having to do it herself, as she otherwise could have Google'd it and have been done.

As far as teaching people goes, I thought the 60+ age group of people would be the most difficult ones to teach. Instead, I'm noticing it's the 30-40 age group that seems quite stubborn, having this horrid attitude like it's my fault Microsoft made Windows 8. They act like they know it all, their excuses are flimsy, and it really comes down to them being impatient as if someone crapped in their cheerios that morning. I say this because the excuses I hear usually fall like a house of cards once I demonstrate the tasks for them.

Now personally, I'm not a big fan of Windows 8. However, I'll take legitimate concerns over these half-baked lazy/ignorant claims. There's no excuse for not educating yourself as a consumer, especially today when Google (or Bing if that's what you fancy) is literally in your pocket.

[(Account no longer active)]

Why can't Microsoft simply put a "Shut Down PC" tile on the new Start screen? The new shut down process is ridiculous. My PC is on the floor - I don't want to have to reach all the way under my desk just to shut it down.

Can't they have expected this change to cause major confusion? "Shut Down" belongs in the Start menu. That's what "everyone" remembers. End of story.

Even Linux is easier to shut down.

Okay, you won't "shut down" a tablet, but you do shut down a desktop/laptop.

[johnporter29]

Why can't Microsoft simply put a "Shut Down PC" tile on the new Start screen? The new shut down process is ridiculous. My PC is on the floor - I don't want to have to reach all the way under my desk just to shut it down.

Can't they have expected this change to cause major confusion? "Shut Down" belongs in the Start menu. That's what "everyone" remembers. End of story.

Even Linux is easier to shut down.

Okay, you won't "shut down" a tablet, but you do shut down a desktop/laptop.

You can do that yourself, someone posted instructions on how to do it earlier in this very thread.

Can't understand why these so called "power users" who are so against the power options been where they are can't just do that - isn't that solving the issue?

Oh I forgot, they expect MS to do it for them!

[Guest xiphi]

Only time I ever shutdown is to change hardware or in the case of a storm. That said, the only logical place, besides where it's currently at, to put a Shut down button would be in the user menu on the Start screen.

I don't even know anyone that shuts their pc down. They either close the lid on their laptop or simply walk away from their computer which either leaves it running or puts it to sleep depending on the power options.

I guarantee you that if you ask what your typical user does with their PC shutting down will not be part of their tasks. Most people just want to shop online, search, user Facebook, play the odd game or two, use Microsoft office, and watch youtube videos. All of which are more than possible.

Bottom line is this argument has been beaten to death and does nothing but show that people are grasping at the straws to find faults with Windows 8. It's FUD and nothing more.

[majortom1981]

Why can't Microsoft simply put a "Shut Down PC" tile on the new Start screen? The new shut down process is ridiculous. My PC is on the floor - I don't want to have to reach all the way under my desk just to shut it down.

Can't they have expected this change to cause major confusion? "Shut Down" belongs in the Start menu. That's what "everyone" remembers. End of story.

Even Linux is easier to shut down.

Okay, you won't "shut down" a tablet, but you do shut down a desktop/laptop.

Out of the box Microsoft expects you to not shutdown the machine. By default windows 8 goes into sleep mode in 15 minutes.

[xWhiplash]

Many people are following the assumption that it's okay to be an ignorant consumer and that Microsoft should cater to you. No, that's not how it works. When you buy a product, ANY product, you take the time to learn about what it is you're buying. I mean, unless of course you're just wasteful, in which case, good on you for buying something you have no clue about only to bitch about it on the internet. /golfclap

As for the video, I find it completely off base. You don't sit someone in front of a computer and expect them to know how everything works without telling them. If she went out to buy a computer herself, I'm sure she would have at least asked questions regarding what she's looking at, or maybe how to use it. At least, that's in giving her credit on the notion that she's a smart consumer. She was able to open the web just fine, so I'm not sure if she was limited to having to do it herself, as she otherwise could have Google'd it and have been done.

As far as teaching people goes, I thought the 60+ age group of people would be the most difficult ones to teach. Instead, I'm noticing it's the 30-40 age group that seems quite stubborn, having this horrid attitude like it's my fault Microsoft made Windows 8. They act like they know it all, their excuses are flimsy, and it really comes down to them being impatient as if someone crapped in their cheerios that morning. I say this because the excuses I hear usually fall like a house of cards once I demonstrate the tasks for them.

Now personally, I'm not a big fan of Windows 8. However, I'll take legitimate concerns over these half-baked lazy/ignorant claims. There's no excuse for not educating yourself as a consumer, especially today when Google (or Bing if that's what you fancy) is literally in your pocket.

No....that is not how products work. VERY VERY UNLIKELY: If Photoshop released CS7 for the same price, and ALL it did was crop images, would that be okay? No. You said it...we BUY the software. If it does not do what we want, we will not buy it. Just because you make an operating system/video game/any program does not give you immunity to do whatever you want.

If this change made Windows 8 a MASSIVE.....MASSIVE failure, as a business they WOULD have reverted back to the old ways.

You can do that yourself, someone posted instructions on how to do it earlier in this very thread.

Can't understand why these so called "power users" who are so against the power options been where they are can't just do that - isn't that solving the issue?

Oh I forgot, they expect MS to do it for them!

You expect my parents or grandparents to do this? THEY are the users that shut down their computers more often than us.

[duddit2]

Stupid post is stupid, for the love of god use the corners - that is all (and shut up about 2 extra clicks you whining *******s, how many times do you shutdown? its 2 clicks for the love of god, 2 presses of a finger you little hissy fit teeny boppers.......said in mock hissy fit manner)

[johnporter29]

No....that is not how products work. VERY VERY UNLIKELY: If Photoshop released CS7 for the same price, and ALL it did was crop images, would that be okay? No. You said it...we BUY the software. If it does not do what we want, we will not buy it. Just because you make an operating system/video game/any program does not give you immunity to do whatever you want.

If this change made Windows 8 a MASSIVE.....MASSIVE failure, as a business they WOULD have reverted back to the old ways.

You expect my parents or grandparents to do this? THEY are the users that shut down their computers more often than us.

You saying that in a way that implies all parents / grandparents can't speak or don't know how to do a google search etc. Do you not have 2-5 mins to do it for them?

My father is 67, he's not a power user whatsoever, I've just upgraded his PC to Windows 8, shown him once how to shut it down etc and he's fine .... not asked me since on how to shut down or get to the start screen etc.

People really do need to give the older generation the benefit of doubt instead of using them to further their dislike of Windows 8

[duddit2]

No....that is not how products work. VERY VERY UNLIKELY: If Photoshop released CS7 for the same price, and ALL it did was crop images, would that be okay? No. You said it...we BUY the software. If it does not do what we want, we will not buy it. Just because you make an operating system/video game/any program does not give you immunity to do whatever you want.

If this change made Windows 8 a MASSIVE.....MASSIVE failure, as a business they WOULD have reverted back to the old ways.

You expect my parents or grandparents to do this? THEY are the users that shut down their computers more often than us.

I don't think anyone is expecting your parents or grandparents to do anything, well anything other than use the charm bar/settings/power/shutdown. It isn't obvious no, but its also not obvious when it was in the start menu - you just knew it was there. This charm bar method takes no time to get used to, but if your not even going to show them how to use the modern interface or even say 'use the corners' then your kind of building your own obstacles.

[f0rk_b0mb]

Wow 9 people compared to the millions of people who simply press the power button to switch off in the simplest way possible. If you want to do things the hard way and complain when it's even harder in the new OS, then good for you. Just don't complain about it so much. Everyone else will simply just use the easiest and most consistent way that hasn't changed in nearly 20 years.

Millions of people press the power button? Since when? I have never seen anyone do that, and I do IT help desk. Pushing a physiscal power button is the hard way. I want to shutdown the computer via software...you know...like we are soposed to?

Stupid post is stupid, for the love of god use the corners - that is all (and shut up about 2 extra clicks you whining *******s, how many times do you shutdown? its 2 clicks for the love of god, 2 presses of a finger you little hissy fit teeny boppers.......said in mock hissy fit manner)

It's not just the shut down procedure that makes Windows 8 a fail to me. There are no drivers for my motherboard or drawing tablet, I hate the chicklet style UI, the desktop app is ugly and bland, the damn list goes on. Do you really think I'm going to rush out and buy a product I don't like?