thomastmc Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Funny, thats more akin to what the removal did that the opposite. Bad metaphor. If all we 'needed' was search and an app launch we'd have chosen a Mac FFS. That Windows went beyond such simplistic hooey is why its the dominant Desktop platform. It's hard, from the grammar and/or misspellings and lack of articulation, to divine exactly what your point is... If you're saying that the Start screen is like a large dial and that the menu was like digital buttons in the limited terms of an app launcher, I'd disagree. The Start screen is more like a full screen menu. :blink: Have you ever used a rotary phone before? I would love to hear about these "special cases" that are quicker with a rotary phone than a dialpad. Have you ever used a rotary phone before?!?!? (spittle flying) :D I grew up in the '80s. So, of course I've used a rotary phone. Here is a special case, it's cold and you've got gloves on. It's much easier and faster to dial a rotary with thick gloves on than to dial on a digital pad. There are several more special cases that I could make, and each of them is as silly and specialized as the arguments that the Start menu is faster than the Start screen. If you believe that the menu is quicker, that's your opinion, but my opinion is that that is ridiculous, unless it's cold out and you've got gloves on... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595523994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noir Angel Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I used version 2.1.39.0 but the failure seemed to occur using the stock Windows driver as well. My particular controller is the uPD7200200A, latest firmware. I'm not sure what the USB3 issue is, all I know is that it makes Windows 8 unusable for me. I even disabled the USB3 chipset and used the board's USB 2.0 controller and the same problems even happened there. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595524014 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xWhiplash Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 There's no choice because Microsoft felt ready for a new step in pace. They're ready for something new. Whether you want to follow that or not is up to you, but there's dozens of new technologies out there, that can't play nice with the desktop UI. Point and click was great in the 90's but today, there's more than that, and it where people want to go. You have touch, motion, augmented reality, etc, while other technologies have yet to be invented. You say you don't see an advantage, but I do. Metro and Windows RT have opened up more doors for Microsoft than continuing with the dull desktop GUI (Just look at Surface). If you want to hide behind windows full of code, that's great, but the vast majority of users don't want that. They want something quick and easy to use, so they can be on with their day. Again, My keyboard works great with Windows 8. It's not going away at all, but this notion that we have to spend our days pointing and clicking away at 10px x 10px UI elements is old and tired. Where is Windows update on this list? With the Start Menu, it would show up, but not on here. Thus proving the fact that the Start Screen is not faster than the start menu. Requiring somebody to click Settings means it is slower. How is this "great"? Look at all my wasted space here that is just a solid color. How is that better than a little start menu that shows search results? How do I get to the desktop Windows Update without going to control panel first? The only way I can tell is selecting the option "Install Optional Updates" AFTER you click Settings. Metro and Windows RT have opened up more doors for Microsoft than continuing with the dull desktop GUI What is so boring about the desktop UI? You can have (if you have the screen estate) dozens of windows open and VISIBLE at the SAME DAMN TIME. Do not want boring? You can watch dozens (again if you have the screen resolution) videos at the same time. Want to be notified about emails? Outlook has had that for years. How is the desktop so dull? The Start Screen is what is dull. These flat colors are what is dull. but this notion that we have to spend our days pointing and clicking away at 10px x 10px UI elements is old and tired Right invisible hot corners are a MUCH MUCH better solution than providing a visual cue. Order_66 and MFH 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595524228 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Gibs Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I'm not sure what the USB3 issue is, all I know is that it makes Windows 8 unusable for me. I even disabled the USB3 chipset and used the board's USB 2.0 controller and the same problems even happened there. Maybe it is something to do with the BIOS then since people have said updating that fixes the issue. Who knows why... Where is Windows update on this list? With the Start Menu, it would show up, but not on here. Thus proving the fact that the Start Screen is not faster than the start menu. Except with the start screen things are organized logically. With Windows 7 you'd just get a giant list of applications, files, and settings. If you're searching for something uncommon like Windows Update (chances of you having files and programs calle d that are 0) then yes you'll just get one option. But say I was looking for explorer, on my computer I have: 2 apps called explorer 5 settings that include explorer 18 files that have explorer Right invisible hot corners are a MUCH MUCH better solution than providing a visual cue. They are. Just requires Microsoft to explain them a bit more when the user first boots into Windows 8. What is so boring about the desktop UI? You can have (if you have the screen estate) dozens of windows open and VISIBLE at the SAME DAMN TIME. Do not want boring? You can watch dozens (again if you have the screen resolution) videos at the same time. Want to be notified about emails? Outlook has had that for years. And you can still do that in Windows 8... thomastmc 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595524234 Share on other sites More sharing options...
beanboy89 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I want the start menu in Windows 3.1 Calmira! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595524446 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darrian Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 I might have been one of the proponents to bringing back the start menu, but first, it's obvious that Microsoft has no intention to do so, and second, I find Start8 to be even better than the native start menu because it's even more customizable and otherwise works the same. The only negative to Start8 is that sometimes the menu items will appear with the .lnk extension, but that is an extremely minor glitch and hardly worth mentioning. So, no, Microsoft is done with it, it's time to let other developers do it better. Or just move on to the new Start Screen (personally I prefer to use the Start8 menu on the desktop and fill my Start Screen with only metro apps). Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595524462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Sheesh. I wonder how many of you all complained when Microsoft moved the log off/shutdown options from a single click in XP and Vista to multiple clicks in Windows 7. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595524548 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Sheesh. I wonder how many of you all complained when Microsoft moved the log off/shutdown options from a single click in XP and Vista to multiple clicks in Windows 7. That's still the same amount of clicks : XP : I click Start button, click log off or shutdown. Win7: I click Start button, click shutdown or point to > and click log off. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595524568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 That's still the same amount of clicks : XP : I click Start button, click log off or shutdown. Win7: I click Start button, click shutdown or point to > and click log off. It added a click: XP: Start > Shutdown/Log Off 7: Start > (depending on your button settings) Shutdown/ Log Off (OR) > (Arrow) > Shutdown/Log Off Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595524582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted February 16, 2013 Author MVC Share Posted February 16, 2013 Sheesh. I wonder how many of you all complained when Microsoft moved the log off/shutdown options from a single click in XP and Vista to multiple clicks in Windows 7. It looks like you may be getting low. Let me help replace some of them. Here ya go! Order_66, Luc2k, +hedleigh and 2 others 5 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595524690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cropcircles Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 CLOSE this THREAD already. Beaten to death is an understatement. User should SEARCH the forums to get peoples opinion on the Start Menu. Also, if you want the Start Menu back, go get START8 Close please I've loaded this garbage OS three or four times in a virtual environment to give it a chance and try to change my perspective/opinion. Same result each time. Sorry *** attempt by MS to merge into the Android, iPhone OS market. Maybe if they can put out a marketable phone first and then follow up with W8 OS might make more logical sense. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595524724 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noir Angel Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 Maybe it is something to do with the BIOS then since people have said updating that fixes the issue. Who knows why... Already running the newest bios for my machine Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595525034 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted February 16, 2013 Author MVC Share Posted February 16, 2013 What I don't understand is they already had a Tablet OS it's called "The Windows Phone Operating system". Why couldn't they have put that on a tablet? Apple put their phone OS on their tablet and it looks like they are doing pretty good. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595525110 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 XKCD: http://xkcd.com/1172/ DJ-Light 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595525160 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinguy85 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 if you don't like it go back to windows 7 for goodness sake you knew when upgrading the start button had gone Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595525190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Norris Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 What I don't understand is they already had a Tablet OS it's called "The Windows Phone Operating system". Why couldn't they have put that on a tablet? Apple put their phone OS on their tablet and it looks like they are doing pretty good. Ok I can get the ad-nauseum start screen bashing... but I'd really like to hear what's wrong with running not only the lightweight tablet oriented apps but also the exact same OS and software as the desktops? Personally they can keep the RT devices, if I wanted a "yet another lightweight consumption device" I'd just pick an Android off the pile (or iPad if you're into the Apple thing).. but whats your problem with the Pro and other devices in that class? Personally I've been using Windows based tablets since XP Tablet Edition and later 7, there's just no comparison. Why screw around hoping some random app can sync with this program, dealing with missing/crippled features, weak web-apps, etc etc versus just installing the exact same software and have productivity skyrocket? Linux your thing? Fine, install it. Just 1000% more flexible. A no brainer. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595525198 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 What I don't understand is they already had a Tablet OS it's called "The Windows Phone Operating system". Why couldn't they have put that on a tablet? Apple put their phone OS on their tablet and it looks like they are doing pretty good. Maybe because Windows RT/8 is more powerful than Windows Phone? remixedcat 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595525210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFH Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 WinRT is not really that powerful. There are way too many limitations... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595525260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 WinRT is not really that powerful. There are way too many limitations... More powerful apps and access to the full MS Office suite doesn't count? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595525274 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gameboy1977 Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 For me. I don't mind that I will have windows 8, because I can understand them very well since Windows 95. it is easy to use in Windows 8. I went to Bestbuy in Jan 2013 to test Windows 8, and I liked it. I will buy windows 7 for heavier gaming like SWTOR. I will use windows 8 for light game like age of empries online or others. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595525280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFH Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 More powerful apps and access to the full MS Office suite doesn't count? Office does not use WinRT so I'm not sure what you're implying... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595525478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xWhiplash Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 if you don't like it go back to windows 7 for goodness sake you knew when upgrading the start button had gone So nobody has the right to express their opinions anymore? Why do we have ANY product reviews of ANYTHING then? Do no like a movie? Fine, just do not write a review about it. If we do not fight something, it will not change anything. If enough people want the start menu back, it will come back. +hedleigh and Order_66 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595525596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dashel Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 If you're saying that the Start screen is like a large dial and that the menu was like digital buttons in the limited terms of an app launcher, I'd disagree. The Start screen is more like a full screen menu. Here is a special case, it's cold and you've got gloves on. It's much easier and faster to dial a rotary with thick gloves on than to dial on a digital pad. If you believe that the menu is quicker, that's your opinion, but my opinion is that that is ridiculous, unless it's cold out and you've got gloves on... Hmm, lets see, which is the more precise control mechanism again? Which one requires a larger hit target? Is calling the SS a full screen menu (NSS) anything but painfully obvious? Funny, seems pretty clear that RT is the glove that makes Desktop users feel analog. More powerful, lol. Name one app that fits the bill since that was an epic fail on claiming full Office support. OneNote is easily one of the best RT apps yet still pales to its Desktop sibling. I've yet to see a single app (nor do I expect any in the relavent future) buck this trend. Hence support for one of the few things I'll give credit to Apple for, scaling up its mobile, and not squishing down the Desktop which is the tree MS has been barking up (wrongly) for a decade. Its really the same argument the console/appliance types have always used against the Desktop, they are more than happy to dilute our experience since it doesn't effect their own low expectations. MFH 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595525624 Share on other sites More sharing options...
qdave Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 At this point it doesn't matter...I am ok with how win 8 is. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595525628 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NinjaGinger Posted February 16, 2013 Share Posted February 16, 2013 in which case, "Sadly" Windows 8 will never become a mainstream O/S as the majority of desktop/laptop uses boycott it +1 - I am usually an early adopter of technology, but when I tried the WIn8 previews and the "desktop" was hidden under the crappy metro interface, and the "start button" was missing, I lost interest in using it. When the retail version was released, and it was the same, it became the first version of Windows I have never upgraded to (and never will). in which case, "Sadly" Windows 8 will never become a mainstream O/S as the majority of desktop/laptop uses boycott it +1 - I am usually an early adopter of technology, but when I tried the WIn8 previews and the "desktop" was hidden under the crappy metro interface, and the "start button" was missing, I lost interest in using it. When the retail version was released, and it was the same, it became the first version of Windows I have never upgraded to (and never will). Exactly the same reason. If only it looked better and was made with a PC in mind and not a tablet or phone. Order_66 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/12/#findComment-595525692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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