Noir Angel Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Install Nero, you'll soon see how deficient it's design is. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595537842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramonga Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 When I look at my Start Screen, I see organization. I took the time to make my app launcher MY app launcher. That's what you're supposed to do. Sorry. When I look at YOUR start screen, I see a complete mess, honestly, I do, nothing personal. 'Swipe' over a bit more, and lets see the rest, it may get better? ;) Anyway, poll speaks for itself :) +hedleigh and MFH 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595537876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hedleigh Subscriber² Posted February 23, 2013 Subscriber² Share Posted February 23, 2013 you failed to read that post at all. I wasn't killing the right click menu at all. And look a few posts above, how is the default start screen disorganized? I didn't fail at anything, it seems apparent to me though that you think people are not allowed to have their own opinions. Not once have I said you aren't entitled to your opinion, you however... Also if the point and click mechanism is removed in the future (as you have stated), how would one go about doing this organising that you speak of without a touch screen? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595537948 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 I didn't fail at anything, it seems apparent to me though that you think people are not allowed to have their own opinions. Not once have I said you aren't entitled to your opinion, you however... Also if the point and click mechanism is removed in the future (as you have stated), how would one go about doing this organising that you speak of without a touch screen? I never called for the death of the right click, just integrating it into Metro. Again, go back and read the post. Install Nero, you'll soon see how deficient it's design is. Why? There's better alternatives to Nero out there. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xWhiplash Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Sooooo......let me get this straight. It is Nero's fault that the Start Screen gets cluttered........not Microsoft's? Your response is that there are other alternatives out there? Geez you make it sound like Windows 8 is PERFECT and ANYBODY saying ANYTHING bad about it obviously does not know what they are doing. No OS is perfect. Start Menu organized things ON ITS OWN. I DO NOT need to spend time organizing the Start Menu like I do with the Start Screen. It is nice and organized by default. The fact that you keep saying "Just take the time and organize it yourself" means it is a more disorganized system. The fact that the Start Menu did all the organization itself and the Start Screen does not tells us that the Start Screen is not that useful. MFH 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538094 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Sooooo......let me get this straight. It is Nero's fault that the Start Screen gets cluttered........not Microsoft's? Your response is that there are other alternatives out there? Geez you make it sound like Windows 8 is PERFECT and ANYBODY saying ANYTHING bad about it obviously does not know what they are doing. No OS is perfect. Start Menu organized things ON ITS OWN. I DO NOT need to spend time organizing the Start Menu like I do with the Start Screen. It is nice and organized by default. The fact that you keep saying "Just take the time and organize it yourself" means it is a more disorganized system. The fact that the Start Menu did all the organization itself and the Start Screen does not tells us that the Start Screen is not that useful. Does Microsoft develop Nero? No? Ok, then... Start Screen is user customizable, as any app launcher should be. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xWhiplash Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Does Microsoft develop Nero? No? Ok, then... ...... Ok, so Microsoft has done NOTHING wrong here? Windows 8 is the absolute perfect OS ever made? There is NOTHING wrong with it at all? If the start screen gets filled with stuff that was NICELY ORGANIZED in the Start Menu, it is in NO WAY Microsoft's fault? Did Microsoft develop the Start Screen? Yes? Ok, then..... They should have made the Start Screen more organized like the Start Menu Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 ...... Ok, so Microsoft has done NOTHING wrong here? Windows 8 is the absolute perfect OS ever made? There is NOTHING wrong with it at all? If the start screen gets filled with stuff that was NICELY ORGANIZED in the Start Menu, it is in NO WAY Microsoft's fault? Did Microsoft develop the Start Screen? Yes? Ok, then..... They should have made the Start Screen more organized like the Start Menu ****ty third party app development isn't Microsoft's fault. That same crap that clutters the Start Screen, clutters the Start Menu as well, but somehow that is OK? If you want to be mad, be mad at Nero. Ask them to clean up their act, because Microsoft can't control that. Please come back when you have a better argument. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hedleigh Subscriber² Posted February 23, 2013 Subscriber² Share Posted February 23, 2013 I never called for the death of the right click, just integrating it into Metro. Again, go back and read the post. Okay, just did a search for the post I was sure I would find. Couldn't find it so if I'm wrong I apologise. I still seem to remember you saying that the mouse is going to be obsolete in a future Windows environment. This was in another thread not this one. The search functions here leave a lot to be desired IMO. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xWhiplash Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 ****ty third party app development isn't Microsoft's fault. That same crap that clutters the Start Screen, clutters the Start Menu as well, but somehow that is OK? Please come back when you have a better argument. Really, it clutters up the Start Menu? It is in a nice folder so it is not IN YOUR FACE all the time. With the Start Screen, you have to MANUALLY remove the stuff it pins to the Start Screen. The Start Menu showing only what 5 most recent programs by default is much better than having your 30" monitor completely filled with crap until you MANUALLY remove it from there. Then the All Apps portion of the Start Screen is ridiculous as well. The Start Menu had things in folders, sub-folders, and maybe sub-sub-folders. NICE.....ORGANIZED.....SYSTEM. +hedleigh and MFH 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538136 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Really, it clutters up the Start Menu? It is in a nice folder so it is not IN YOUR FACE all the time. With the Start Screen, you have to MANUALLY remove the stuff it pins to the Start Screen. The Start Menu showing only what 5 most recent programs by default is much better than having your 30" monitor completely filled with crap until you MANUALLY remove it from there. Then the All Apps portion of the Start Screen is ridiculous as well. The Start Menu had things in folders, sub-folders, and maybe sub-sub-folders. NICE.....ORGANIZED.....SYSTEM. Wow. Clicking "unpin" takes all but two seconds, and the tiles are gone forever, you'll never have to see them again. That's not a broken system, that's the power of user customization. Perhaps because of this one developer (out of millions), Microsoft should go back to a user uncustomizable OS? Maybe like Windows 95? Okay, just did a search for the post I was sure I would find. Couldn't find it so if I'm wrong I apologise. I still seem to remember you saying that the mouse is going to be obsolete in a future Windows environment. This was in another thread not this one. The search functions here leave a lot to be desired IMO. To me, the mouse isn't king anymore. With new technologies around the corner, I don't see it lasting much longer. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramonga Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Dot will fight till the day he dies, saying Win8 is the best thing ever guy's, you ain't gonna win any argument with him, unfortunately :) He will come back, repeatedly, with nonsense he believes in, regardless of what one thinks otherwise. I tired of it ages ago. ;) MFH 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538168 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramonga Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 To me, the mouse isn't king anymore. With new technologies around the corner, I don't see it lasting much longer. See what I mean? Honestly? lol :laugh: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hedleigh Subscriber² Posted February 23, 2013 Subscriber² Share Posted February 23, 2013 To me, the mouse isn't king anymore. With new technologies around the corner, I don't see it lasting much longer. So you admit that everyone will need to get rid of their current systems just to purchase a lovely touch screen? Not going to happen here. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre S. Veteran Posted February 23, 2013 Veteran Share Posted February 23, 2013 The Start Screen is a user interface designed for casual use, information consumption, small screens and a touch interface. While those are all great things for tablet users, it's not for anyone doing serious work on the desktop. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538192 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xWhiplash Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Yeah I do not understand why he thinks the mouse will go away.... Anyway, it is like talking to a brick wall. He says the Start Screen is better in every way.....but then says I need to select Unpin.....The Start Menu did not require this....so how is the start screen "better in EVERY way" if I need to unpin every time I install something? Or spend 10-20 minutes organizing things? I do not have that kind of time. The Start Menu was neatly organized and I NEVER.....NEVER had to do ANYTHING to mess with the organization of the Start Menu. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538196 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 So you admit that everyone will need to get rid of their current systems just to purchase a lovely touch screen? Not going to happen here. Not now, no. But 20 years down the line, it's almost guaranteed we'll be using something different along with our keyboards. Yeah I do not understand why he thinks the mouse will go away.... Because technology evolves, and depreciates. That mouse your cradling? Yeah, that too will depreciate (and has already begun to), just like the CLI did before it, and just like punch cards did before that. I do not have that kind of time. Yet, you have the time to be on here. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramonga Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 Not now, no. But 20 years down the line, it's almost guaranteed we'll be using something different along with our keyboards. 20 years? lol. Well, I'll be dead by then, but then, we can all say most things will be vastly different in that time, I suppose, maybe. How far have we come since 1993? (20 years ago) +hedleigh 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hedleigh Subscriber² Posted February 23, 2013 Subscriber² Share Posted February 23, 2013 20 years? lol. Well, I'll be dead by then, but then, we can all say most things will be vastly different in that time, I suppose, maybe. How far have we come since 1993? (20 years ago) You and me both. :D Sweet that it won't affect me then. scaramonga 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538230 Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramonga Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 You and me both. :D Sweet that it won't affect me then. Yeah. Kid's these days buddy, honestly! :rolleyes: :) +hedleigh 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538232 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted February 23, 2013 Author MVC Share Posted February 23, 2013 ****ty third party app development isn't Microsoft's fault. That same crap that clutters the Start Screen, clutters the Start Menu as well, but somehow that is OK? If you want to be mad, be mad at Nero. Ask them to clean up their act, because Microsoft can't control that. Please come back when you have a better argument. ****ty 3rd party app development??? The start screen sucks up shortcuts meant for the "Start Menu" from any application that is not made for the modern UI, which is EVERY WINDOWS APPLICATION MADE BEFORE WINDOWS 8!! That's a lot of ****ty 3rd party app developers! scaramonga, +hedleigh, xWhiplash and 1 other 4 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xWhiplash Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 ****ty 3rd party development.??? The start screen sucks up shortcuts meant for the "Start Menu" from any application that is not made for the modern UI, which is EVERY WINDOWS APP MADE BEFORE WINDOWS 8!! Agreed. So a program in Windows 7 is perfectly fine, but in Windows 8 they are considered crappy 3rd party developers? So if I wanted to install an old program, it will suddenly be "crappy third party developers"? It is Microsoft's job when creating an OS where they change something, to make the existing installers work well with the new system. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 ****ty 3rd party app development??? The start screen sucks up shortcuts meant for the "Start Menu" from any application that is not made for the modern UI, which is EVERY WINDOWS APPLICATION MADE BEFORE WINDOWS 8!! At the CES 2010 Steve Ballmer said that more than 4 million apps were available for the Windows Platform.... That's a lot of ****ty 3rd party app developers! The only icons to be directly placed on the Start Screen will be the application's corresponding EXE shortcuts. I don't know what kind of cruddy apps you're using that is supposedly barfing up icons all over the place, but the few that I still use, don't do that, and as you can see a few posts, above Office 2010 didn't clutter my screen either. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538248 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted February 23, 2013 Author MVC Share Posted February 23, 2013 The only icons to be directly placed on the Start Screen will be the application's corresponding EXE shortcuts. I don't know what kind of cruddy apps you're using that is supposedly barfing up icons all over the place, but the few that I still use, don't do that, and as you can see a few posts, above Office 2010 didn't clutter my screen either. They also don't look like Windows Modern Tiles, so while it's only "Exe Shortcuts" it looks like crap! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
xWhiplash Posted February 23, 2013 Share Posted February 23, 2013 What is your excuse about the All Apps section? I have seen readme's shortcuts to websites, and other things in there. With Windows 7, they were all neatly tucked away in folders. Some programs put it in a sub-folder labeled Additional Resources. But.....now they are always visible when I go to All Apps. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/15/#findComment-595538256 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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