+Warwagon MVC Posted February 27, 2013 Author MVC Share Posted February 27, 2013 Why does my screen need to be cluttered with menus? It makes no logical sense to overwhelm the user. I want my content to be the focus, not eleventy billion options cluttering my screen. personally the way it was done before worked just fine. We didn't have to try to activate a hidden menu on the side of the screen. It's also touchy with the mouse. Now you'll say "well just press windows key +C". But like I said before the average user is not good with hot keys. Now all they are is frustrated. In Fact hidden menu's and full screen content SCREAMS consumption device. Which for a tablet is fine, but this is for my desktop, I don't just want to consume information I want to be productive. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-595547660 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolan Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 StartDock product Start8 was download 3+ milions time and others reporting interest for start menu app for Windows 8 speek it seelf how many people wants start manu in Windows 8! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-595547664 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slumdogtrillionaire Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 why isnt DM banned for trolling? im sure if someone was being as adamant for 7 or xp as he is about 8 his account wouldnt have been allowed to post. Also how many people work behind the DM name tag? Doesnt seem like one guy. just saying. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-595547668 Share on other sites More sharing options...
techbeck Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 This isnt the place to discuss this kind of thing. If you are so worried about a user and what he/she does...then msg a mod/admin for assistance. why isnt DM banned for trolling? im sure if someone was being as adamant for 7 or xp as he is about 8 his account wouldnt have been allowed to post. Also how many people work behind the DM name tag? Doesnt seem like one guy. just saying. I recently fooled around with a Surface Pro for a couple days. The new start menu is annoying with touch or non touch devices. I am sure I will get used to it since MS is forcing it on every though. Many other things I do not like...hard to find settings, inconsistency in the OS, and just the plain blah look of the OS. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-595547672 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted February 27, 2013 Author MVC Share Posted February 27, 2013 why isnt DM banned for trolling? im sure if someone was being as adamant for 7 or xp as he is about 8 his account wouldn't have been allowed to post. Also how many people work behind the DM name tag? Doesnt seem like one guy. just saying. Actually what I just noticed is the name "Dot Matix". It's funny for a guy who is promoting change and saying we have to move forwards and can't live on old tech to have the name "Dot Matrix". In a lot of cases Dot Matrix printers for some tasks work better than Inkjet and Lasers, which COMPLETELY goes against all he stands for :) MFH 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-595547680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slumdogtrillionaire Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 This isnt the place to discuss this kind of thing. If you are so worried about a user and what he/she does...then msg a mod/admin for assistance. dont think it happens without blessings from them. Actually what I just noticed is the name "Dot Matix". It's funny for a guy who is promoting change and saying we have to move forwards and can't live on old tech to have the name "Dot Matrix". In a lot of cases Dot Matrix printers for some tasks work better than Inkjet and Lasers, which COMPLETELY goes against all he stands for :) LOL yeah good observations mate. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-595547682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arceles Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 dont think it happens without blessings from them. LOL yeah good observations mate. Lawered. He surely reminish carbon copy paper too! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-595547688 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 personally the way it was done before worked just fine. We didn't have to try to activate a hidden menu on the side of the screen. It's also touchy with the mouse. Now you'll say "well just press windows key +C". But like I said before the average user is not good with hot keys. Now all they are is frustrated. In Fact hidden menu's and full screen content SCREAMS consumption device. Which for a tablet is fine, but this is for my desktop, I don't just want to consume information I want to be productive. Just like a cluttered workspace on a desk, I highly doubt you're productive with a cluttered workspace on a screen. Users can call up for the tools they need, when they need them, just like in any production environment. For example, when I work in Paint.Net, I'm forever pushing the menus out of the way. That's not a smooth productive environment if you ask me. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-595547698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFH Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 For example, when I work in Paint.Net, I'm forever pushing the menus out of the way. That's not a smooth productive environment if you ask me. If you think that Paint.NET is cluttered you better not try to use professional tools... +Warwagon, Nashy and +hedleigh 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-595547888 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted February 27, 2013 Author MVC Share Posted February 27, 2013 Just like a cluttered workspace on a desk, I highly doubt you're productive with a cluttered workspace on a screen. Not even the same thing. This is why professionals HATE windows 8. How can you say that and then turn around and defend the the All Apps screen or even the start screen in general. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-595547902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 If you think that Paint.NET is cluttered you better not try to use professional tools... They're a nightmare. AutoCAD has gotten better since going to a Ribbon UI, though. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-595547960 Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFH Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 They're a nightmare. AutoCAD has gotten better since going to a Ribbon UI, though. nightmare? I think you're missing that more features naturally lead to a more complex UI... BTW: what's so complicated about Paint.NET? I's essentially a traditional menu bar + 2 icon bars (due to my big screen I'd love to have them in one bar...) + 4 small windows... Have a look at a (customized) IDE for really complex UIs... [complex != bad] Nashy 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-595548122 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Norwegian Drone Pilot Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 StartDock product Start8 was download 3+ milions time and others reporting interest for start menu app for Windows 8 speek it seelf how many people wants start manu in Windows 8! I don't believe those numbers. When StarDock released the first version, then someone downloaded the app. Then some new versions of the Start8 app was released. And i'm pretty sure that StarDock is counting those download numbers when peoples download the updated app and the next updated version, so that's why i don't believe those numbers. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-595548142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+hedleigh Subscriber² Posted February 28, 2013 Subscriber² Share Posted February 28, 2013 But this "Woe is me, things have changed!" crap is getting old. It's been four months since release, if you're having THAT much difficulty, then perhaps computers are not for you. Excuse me for being alive still! This is one of the main reasons people like you just don't get it. I've been working on and using computers long before you were probably born. So I don't like an OS you now say that I shouldn't use a computer. One of these days when you grow up, maybe then you'll understand that not everybody fits into what you think is right. If I was to actually say what I think of your attitude, I would get banned. I am more than a little tired of this attitude that we must go with the flow, even if we don't like it. No one has told you to not use 8, but the people who would like to have a choice are told we have no idea what we are on about. And just to point out to you, it's not the lack of a start menu that stops me from using Win 8. It's the fact it looks like the remnants of an abortion on my desktop. That's my opinion and no excuses you can come up will change that. That's coming from someone who has used more OS's than I care to think about. MFH, Arceles and Noir Angel 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-595548420 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noir Angel Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Since mass marketing the only versions of Windows I haven't really used were 1.0, 2.0, and NT 3.1 for workgroups. I've been using Windows loyally for 10 years, and I still use and love Windows 7. I'm also sick of being spoken down to because I don't place misguided loyalty in a brand and assume that I must absorb all change under the premise that all change is for the better. Usability matters are incredibly important to everyone. If you like it great. Don't denigrate those of us that don't because of your insane and tired brand loyalty. MorganX, Ian W, +hedleigh and 5 others 8 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-595548476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted December 10, 2013 Author MVC Share Posted December 10, 2013 Seeing the HOT news story about the start menu on the front page I think this is still a very relevant poll. Lord Method Man 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-596154173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
primexx Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 i wish they would allow disabling the start menu in 8.1. it's a useless button. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-596154221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 No, It's useless. It's been superseded by a new launcher with greater functionality. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-596154235 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nashy Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 In your opinion mate. Stop thinking your opinion is the be all and end all because something works well for you. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-596154237 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Warwagon MVC Posted December 10, 2013 Author MVC Share Posted December 10, 2013 No, It's useless. It's been superseded by a new launcher with greater functionality. But of course you would say that, you're Dot Matrix! You have a certain reputation to uphold! :rofl: Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-596154249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted December 10, 2013 Member Share Posted December 10, 2013 Since mass marketing the only versions of Windows I haven't really used were 1.0, 2.0, and NT 3.1 for workgroups. I've been using Windows loyally for 10 years, and I still use and love Windows 7. I'm also sick of being spoken down to because I don't place misguided loyalty in a brand and assume that I must absorb all change under the premise that all change is for the better. Usability matters are incredibly important to everyone. If you like it great. Don't denigrate those of us that don't because of your insane and tired brand loyalty. I honestly don't listen to fanboys of any kind any more. I do my thing and just let their nonsense roll off my back. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-596154257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhangm Supervisor Posted December 10, 2013 Supervisor Share Posted December 10, 2013 I think the Start screen has been showing its limitations since the current design was released back with Vista. The Start screen is a promising design with a lot to like. I'm not sure that the latter is most appropriately implemented as a direct replacement for the former. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-596154261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 I think the Start screen menu has been showing its limitations since the current design was released back with Vista. The Start screen is a promising design with a lot to like. I'm not sure that the latter is most appropriately implemented as a direct replacement for the former. It's been showing it's limitations since at least the later XP days. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-596154275 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auditor Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 It's been showing it's limitations since at least the later XP days. Start menus is what we need back. Start screen is totally useless and inefficient way of doing things. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-596154277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Start menus is what we need back. Start screen is totally useless and inefficient way of doing things. A screen that can display an unlimited amount of pinned items, update tiles in real time, and has re-sizable icons, compared to only being able to display an abysmal few pinned items, doesn't have re-sizable icons (16x16 and 32x32 icons are a sorry excuse on large displays), and is unable to accrue useful information is "inefficient?" Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1135456-do-you-want-the-start-menu-in-windows-8/page/17/#findComment-596154293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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