FBI attempts to explain UFO memo in vault

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The Federal Bureau of Investigation has broken its silence on the most popular file in its digital vault.

The one-page memo, dated March 22, 1950, was addressed to FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover from Guy Hottel, then head of the FBI's Washington, D.C., field office. It relayed some information from an informant.

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FLYING SAUCERS

INFORMATION CONCERNING

"An investigator for the Air Force stated that three so-called flying saucers had been recovered in New Mexico," Hottel writes. "They were described as being circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet in diameter. Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only 3 feet tall, dressed in metallic cloth of a very fine texture. Each body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by speed fliers and test pilots.?

No further evaluation was attempted, Hottel reports.

The file, released in April 2011 under the Freedom of Information Act, has been viewed nearly a million times, the FBI said, in part because media outlets "erroneously reported that the FBI had posted proof of a UFO crash at Roswell, New Mexico [in 1947] and the recovery of wreckage and alien corpses."

"A bizarre memo that appears to prove that aliens did land in New Mexico prior to 1950 has been published by the FBI," the Daily Mail declared in 2011.

"The Hottel memo does not prove the existence of UFOs," the bureau said in a blog post on its website this week. "It is simply a second- or third-hand claim that we never investigated."

Besides, the FBI notes, the Hottel memo is dated nearly three years after the infamous events in Roswell in July 1947.

"There is no reason to believe the two are connected," the bureau said:

The FBI has only occasionally been involved in investigating reports of UFOs and extraterrestrials. For a few years after the Roswell incident, Director Hoover did order his agents?the request of the Air Force?verify any UFO sightings. That practice ended in July 1950, four months after the Hottel memo, suggesting that our Washington Field Office didn't think enough of that flying saucer story to look into it.

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Yes, because I'm sure second- or third-hand claims that were never investigated always get forwarded to the Director of the FBI from the head of a field office.

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You claim that the truth has leaked out and that we just need to accept it. The problem is that each new nugget of the "truth" in your eyes actually contradicts all of the other truths. Are the aliens reptiloids, or 3 foot tall? Big nosed grays, or Nordics? Each new UFO photo looks completely different from previous ones. Roswell crash happened in 1947, or 1950? Aliens are at Hanger 18, oh wait, let's change that to Area 51. The moon is a freaking spaceship too.

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You claim that the truth has leaked out and that we just need to accept it. The problem is that each new nugget of the "truth" in your eyes actually contradicts all of the other truths. Are the aliens reptiloids, or 3 foot tall? Big nosed grays, or Nordics? Each new UFO photo looks completely different from previous ones. Roswell crash happened in 1947, or 1950? Aliens are at Hanger 18, oh wait, let's change that to Area 51. The moon is a freaking spaceship too.

Um, you do realize that the term "aliens" does not refer to a specific race right? That means that they can be reptiloids, and 3 feet tall, and big nosed grays, and nordics and each one is just a different race of aliens. There is no contradiction there. Also, is it hard to believe that they could be kept at Hanger 18 at one point and moved to Area 51 at another? Still no contradiction there. If you are going to use logic to argue something, use it yourself first.
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^^

Doesn't work like that. The UFO story keeps changing. Many things like "they were moved from Hanger 18 to Area 51" are just ad-hoc explanations for the changing story line. Ad-hoc explanations such as this are not logical arguments. UFO lore changes as time goes on, new ideas and "proofs" are added, but they never converge towards any kind of coherent picture. They are completely chaotic, and each new thing is held up to be confirmation of previous ideas despite the fact that they show that the old idea was wrong.

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Doesn't work like that. The UFO story keeps changing. Many things like "they were moved from Hanger 18 to Area 51" are just ad-hoc explanations for the changing story line. Ad-hoc explanations such as this are not logical arguments. UFO lore changes as time goes on, new ideas and "proofs" are added, but they never converge towards any kind of coherent picture. They are completely chaotic, and each new thing is held up to be confirmation of previous ideas despite the fact that they show that the old idea was wrong.

So please, explain to us how you know that there is only one race of aliens. We will wait. Remember, there can't be a race of reptoids and a race of 3 foot tall aliens like you said. Your argument. Burden of proof is on you. Prove to us that aliens weren't kept at two different locations and could only possibly be kept at one single location ever.

Also, explain how if exactly 0 of the stories are true, where is your proof? We know extra-terrestrial life exists because we have found it so you have nothing to go off of anyone by claiming it hasn't been found.

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^ The 'truth' has been leaked out -- just that few people want to accept that we are not alone.

not really... I dont think we are alone ... though I have no proof... no real proof only proof that it can exist other places and is likly ... I really want to see a planet populated by different species ... would be interesting to see what kind of species there are... maybe a whole knew categories like we have reptlies and mammals ... maybe they have transformers

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So please, explain to us how you know that there is only one race of aliens. We will wait. Remember, there can't be a race of reptoids and a race of 3 foot tall aliens like you said. Your argument. Burden of proof is on you. Prove to us that aliens weren't kept at two different locations and could only possibly be kept at one single location ever.

Also, explain how if exactly 0 of the stories are true, where is your proof? We know extra-terrestrial life exists because we have found it so you have nothing to go off of anyone by claiming it hasn't been found.

Who said that there had to be only one type of alien? How many are reasonable though? 3, 5, 7, one for each believer? And how many of those are secretely controlling the goverment? Just the grays? Grays and reptiloids? Big nosed grays control but are bad guys vs. the good guy nordics? Too many different stories. Which "truth" are we supposed to accept?

The burden of proof isn't on me. "Also, explain how if exactly 0 of the stories are true, where is your proof?" Where is the proof that even 1 of the stories *is* true?

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The burden of proof isn't on me. "Also, explain how if exactly 0 of the stories are true, where is your proof?" Where is the proof that even 1 of the stories *is* true?

Actually it is because you are the one claiming all are false. I never claimed all were true. Hell, I never claimed any were true. The only claims came from you and you said that all were false because according to you, they all contradict each other even though they don't. That means the burden of proof is in fact with you because you are the only one making a claim here which I was easily able to debunk. Your claim is they contradict each other so they must all be untrue. Since they don't contradict each other, the burden of proof still lies with you.
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You claim that the truth has leaked out and that we just need to accept it. The problem is that each new nugget of the "truth" in your eyes actually contradicts all of the other truths. Are the aliens reptiloids, or 3 foot tall? Big nosed grays, or Nordics? Each new UFO photo looks completely different from previous ones. Roswell crash happened in 1947, or 1950? Aliens are at Hanger 18, oh wait, let's change that to Area 51. The moon is a freaking spaceship too.

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The Roswell event can be easily pinned down to July 1947, because of the widespread Newspaper reports of the true event that was first reported, before the military chose to pull down the cloak of secrecy.

There are more than one type of Aliens visiting our present day Earth.

That should be clear from the wide variety of craft seen.

No one must automatically accept anything -- you are free to believe as you want.

Think for yourself.

All kinds of evidence has been put out there -- but none of it is going to convince those who simply don't want to believe that other intelligent beings exist. ;)

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