4K Gaming on Xbox/PS4

[Gaffney]

Yusuf Mehdi

It will support up to 4K at launch for things like Blu-Ray, but what about later? ?There?s no hardware restriction there at all.? So, in theory, the Xbox One could support 2K or perhaps even 4K gaming ? if there?s content for it at those resolutions.

Playstation's Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida said:

The PlayStation 4 supports 4K resolution output, but only for video that was recorded in the format. He clarified that games do not play in 4K.

So it seems like at launch neither plan to have 4K games but Xbox have confirmed their console should have enough power to support it, it's just a matter of the game developers making 4K games. So if the PS4 is supposedly more powerful than the Xbox, how is their stance different on 4K gaming. If both of these quotes are accurate, would the Xbox have an advantage?

[Jason S. Global Moderator]

there's no way the GPU can handle that resolution

[TheLegendOfMart]

The Xbone doesn't have the power to run 4K games, neither does the PS4.

You might have simple XBLA 2d titles that will have 4K support but you won't be seeing any 4K 3D graphical intense AAA titles.

[Blackhearted]

Note how they say "in theory" the one could do 4k games. It's kinda of like how "in theory" the 360 can do 1080p gaming.

[dead.cell]

It's completely irrelevant anyway, as 4K is lacking in all areas. Whether it's TVs that don't support such a resolution or the content itself, between television channels, streams, or even the disc medium we use today. Bluray has the capabilities as far as I can tell, but would likely need additional layers to the disc, which I guess maybe could introduce the idea of $70 games... *shudder*

I feel like this whole "Xbox could support..." argument is flawed and completely unrealistic. It's like adding points simply for the sake of one-upmanship.

[LaP]

Yusuf Mehdi

Playstation's Worldwide Studios boss Shuhei Yoshida said:

So it seems like at launch neither plan to have 4K games but Xbox have confirmed their console should have enough power to support it, it's just a matter of the game developers making 4K games. So if the PS4 is supposedly more powerful than the Xbox, how is their stance different on 4K gaming. If both of these quotes are accurate, would the Xbox have an advantage?

XBox One should have enough power for 4k gaming rofl

That's the most ridiculous thing i've ever read in my entire life.

[BajiRav]

XBox One should have enough power for 4k gaming rofl

That's the most ridiculous thing i've ever read in my entire life.

I am sure it can if you scale down graphics low enough (and PS4 too).

[Jason S. Global Moderator]

It's completely irrelevant anyway, as 4K is lacking in all areas. Whether it's TVs that don't support such a resolution or the content itself, between television channels, streams, or even the disc medium we use today. Bluray has the capabilities as far as I can tell, but would likely need additional layers to the disc, which I guess maybe could introduce the idea of $70 games... *shudder*

I feel like this whole "Xbox could support..." argument is flawed and completely unrealistic. It's like adding points simply for the sake of one-upmanship.

youre thinking about today instead of 5 years in the future

[Astra.Xtreme]

youre thinking about today instead of 5 years in the future

5 years might even be too conservative of a figure.

HD 1080 still isn't that widespread, so I doubt we'll see a solid 4K market for at least another 10 years.

[LaP]

I am sure it can if you scale down graphics low enough (and PS4 too).

You will need to scale them down in 2d.

A GTX Titan can barely hit 40-50fps in most games at 5760x1200 (coupled with a top of the line cpu and 16gb of ram). 5760x1200 is about 80% the pixel count of 4k.

It's just not gonna happen unless it's a 2d game or a really crappy looking games.

[Gaffney]

Note how they say "in theory" the one could do 4k games. It's kinda of like how "in theory" the 360 can do 1080p gaming.

The Xbox 360 does actually have a few Native 1080p games such as Virtua Tennis 3, Fifa Street 3, Sacred 2: Fallen Angel and Boogie Bunnies. But most use 720P so it runs smoother and they can add in more detailed graphics. But both are capable of having 1080P games, the negatives just outweigh the benefits (up-scaling does a good job).

http://forum.beyond3...ead.php?t=46241

It's completely irrelevant anyway, as 4K is lacking in all areas. Whether it's TVs that don't support such a resolution or the content itself, between television channels, streams, or even the disc medium we use today. Bluray has the capabilities as far as I can tell, but would likely need additional layers to the disc, which I guess maybe could introduce the idea of $70 games... *shudder*

I feel like this whole "Xbox could support..." argument is flawed and completely unrealistic. It's like adding points simply for the sake of one-upmanship.

The point is the gaming power (not hardware power) of the two consoles, I doubt we will need 4K gaming in the next decade. Also I'm not sure what he meant by could support 2K or 4K gaming, he could mean 2,4K output and not Native 2,4K gaming.

You can get 1440P IPS monitors for ?400, and they are becoming more common in PC gaming. If Xbox games support 1440P in 5 years, the average gamer might not use it but people who like ?200 headsets might.

[HawkMan]

Note how they say "in theory" the one could do 4k games. It's kinda of like how "in theory" the 360 can do 1080p gaming.

Funny, since it does that in practice as well....

They could also do what some computer MMO's do today, separate ui and game rendering, rendering the UI at 4k and the game at half or less.

Either way though 4k isn't going to matter for at least 5 years, and even then you're still only talking those with way to much disposable income, by the time 4k is widespread well have a new generation again, though I suspect next generation won't have a hard line like this, in will be fully compatible with the new generation using the same but upgraded hardware, and games will be made to scale between the platforms.

[Blackhearted]

Funny, since it does that in practice as well....

Sure, if you count 2d games with incredibly low demands or games on the store that were originally released 10+ years ago. If, however, you speak about modern games with modern levels of visuals then yea.... not so much.

[HawkMan]

Sure, if you count 2d games with incredibly low demands or games on the store that were originally released 10+ years ago. If, however, you speak about modern games with modern levels of visuals then yea.... not so much.

Oh so games are only modern if they look like Gears of War... :rolleyes:

I have enjoyed both the modern side scrolling agent game and ninja game on XBLA last year, guess these aren't modern enough for you.

[Blackhearted]

Oh so games are only modern if they look like Gears of War... :rolleyes:

I have enjoyed both the modern side scrolling agent game and ninja game on XBLA last year, guess these aren't modern enough for you.

You're seriously using everyones favorite chest high wall simulator(which, if you can READ, you see i didn't mention) as a benchmark of modern visuals? That's pretty funny.

You're lack of reading ability aside though. What you enjoy doesn't really have anything to do with the fact that modern visuals don't happen in 1080p on the 360.

[Gaffney]

Sure, if you count 2d games with incredibly low demands or games on the store that were originally released 10+ years ago. If, however, you speak about modern games with modern levels of visuals then yea.... not so much.

You Ignored my response:

The Xbox 360 does actually have a few Native 1080p games such as Virtua Tennis 3, Fifa Street 3, Sacred 2: Fallen Angel and Boogie Bunnies. But most use 720P so it runs smoother and they can add in more detailed graphics. The Xbox is fully capable of having 1080P games, the negatives just outweigh the benefits (up-scaling does a good job).

[Blackhearted]

Those titles you listed would pretty much fall into the "low demands" category. Hence why you could do that with those.

[Churma]

The Xbox One will never play any games in 4k. Hell my uber rig running Nvidia Surround at 7680x1600 with three Nvidia 4GB GTX 670's can barley do 55 FPS and that is in CSS. Metro 2033 is like 5FPS.

[Andre S. Veteran]

Sacred 2 is a good example of why most games opted for 720p on Xbox 360, actually. It ran at abysmal framerates on both consoles and without any vertical synchronisation.

[webdev511]

to render everything in 4k the textures would be huge, the GPU power would need to be huge and in order for a normal human to see the difference between 1080 and 2160, the display would have to be monstrously HUGE. By that I mean a screen the size of a normal sized movie screen.

So, who's got a 60' screen at home.

[HawkMan]

So if GoW is not part of what you consider modern graphics, then I suppose no console game today qualifies for you, and you lead a very sorry limited life where you can only play games that fit some ridiculous 3D graphics criteria that has nothing to do with gameplay, old, current or next gen.

[Pupik]

there's no way the GPU can handle that resolution

The thread should have stopped after this. AMD only started supporting 4k resolutions with 7990.

[Blackhearted]

So if GoW is not part of what you consider modern graphics, then I suppose no console game today qualifies for you, and you lead a very sorry limited life where you can only play games that fit some ridiculous 3D graphics criteria that has nothing to do with gameplay, old, current or next gen.

I didn't say i don't consider it modern visuals, i said i don't consider it to be the benchmark for modern visuals. I also didn't say anywhere i only play the prettiest games out there.

Man, reading sure is hard isn't it?

[HawkMan]

I didn't say i don't consider it modern visuals, i said i don't consider it to be the benchmark for modern visuals. I also didn't say anywhere i only play the prettiest games out there.

Man, reading sure is hard isn't it?

No I read fine. it's just your ability to write what you actually mean that sucks since what you wrote pretty much means everything that isn't top of the line triple A isn't good enough.

But then again, you yu know this and then you claim you wrote more than what you did and that what you wrote means something more than what you actually wrote. May I suggest a course in communication ?

Maybe you should then instead define what you actually meant then since you so far has not done that, outside of saying it can't play modern games in 4K, and the 360 can't play modern games in 1080. which is patently untrue. unless you put some idiotic graphical requirements on "modern games".

The thread should have stopped after this. AMD only started supporting 4k resolutions with 7990.

Except there's nothign stopping the Xbox One playing games in 4K. yes, it won't play Forza 5 in 4K, it also doesn't need to. and as has been said before the hardware won't be widely available for 5 years and won't be widely adopted for 10.

And even if you have a 4K TV. the only games that would show a difference is those nice clean more artistic games with clean high contrast lines, like that neat ninja game.

[Shadrack]

to render everything in 4k the textures would be huge, the GPU power would need to be huge and in order for a normal human to see the difference between 1080 and 2160, the display would have to be monstrously HUGE. By that I mean a screen the size of a normal sized movie screen.

So, who's got a 60' screen at home.

That pretty much sums up my opinion as well. I suspect 1080p will be done brilliantly well with XBox One/PS4, which is all I care about for probably the next 10-20 years I'm thinking. Hell, I've had a 720p LCD TV since 2005-06. When I see a 1080p set I think it looks a little nicer but still haven't bought one. One day my TV will die and I will have to upgrade.