JasonMiles Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 The NSA in your Windows PC will now be available in your living room. Don't forget to play your games naked, this guy need the entertainment: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo1911 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 I am sure this will spin off into a new accessory. Kinect flap cover. With tag line "Protect your precious investment by hiding it under cover when not in use. Of course we are referencing Kinect" The cover could be removed on starting the Xbox One. I bet that once started, it will throw tantrums if the Kinect cover is still on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUTZIFER Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 It's no different than with laptops, tablets, and every other device with a camera on it. It's always been a possibility to be spied on. But no one seems to think of that, they just bash the XBOX acting like Kinect is such a bad thing. Personally I don't give a ######!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torolol Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 They could - the difference is that Skype is already a video calling service that sends raw voice and video out to another person. Kinect is not that. It's a fancy camera that captures your movements and listens for voice commands to be used on the console, not sent to some other party to watch (unless of course you're using the Skype app). The infrastructure is different. yep, and all it need to act like silent/stealthy 'skype' just an 'updates' for xbox one OS/App/Firmware. The hardware infrastructure are ready, only the software to do that is still 'incomplete'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevew25 Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 It's no different than with laptops, tablets, and every other device with a camera on it. It's always been a possibility to be spied on. But no one seems to think of that, they just bash the XBOX acting like Kinect is such a bad thing. Personally I don't give a ****!! Yep! Don't forgot phones. While we are at it better not drive anywhere (red light cams), stay away from convenience stores, grocery stores, malls, banks, and almost any city! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2013 Share Posted July 21, 2013 Its microsoft hardware, running there software they can make it do what ever they want. They will have to make the changes without being able to tell anyone. If you dont like it go buy a ps4. I am buying one as i dont want the all seeing eye in my living room all the time. As the government cannot be trusted to not take advantage of it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonMiles Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Its microsoft hardware, running there software they can make it do what ever they want. They will have to make the changes without being able to tell anyone. If you dont like it go buy a ps4. I am buying one as i dont want the all seeing eye in my living room all the time. As the government cannot be trusted to not take advantage of it! Not just Microsoft, but think about the third party apps and games that will be using this. The console will be running Windows, so you can bet it will also have virus, spyware... People who buy consoles don't really want to worry about that... +1. I'll be getting a PS4 too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 I would not worry about spyware and the ilk getting onto it. The last thing they want is something bad happening while someone is watching tv or playing a game, and they get a pop up ad for viagra LOL The bottom line is here the government cannot be trusted to not force Microsoft to abuse this hardware. If your console does not have this in the first place, then the hardware maker cannot be forced by secret court order to make it do something that it does not have the hardware for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiB3R Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 You are allowed to disable it. If the stupid ###### would just allow you to disconnect it, there wouldn't be an issue. :argh: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LogicalApex MVC Posted July 22, 2013 MVC Share Posted July 22, 2013 The government could demand it all they want but it wouldn't matter because it's literally technically not how it works. It doesn't send raw voice and video data out to anywhere so there's nothing for them to get at. They can't just magic a connection into your Xbox One and start watching you. What you're saying doesn't make sense. Does the Kinect sensor not have a camera and microphone? If not, I'm not sure how useful it would be for the Skype crap Microsoft was demoing... If it has a microphone and camera then it is technically capable of recording video and sound. What is in the software portion? No one knows (unless they have access to the source code) and even if they did it is pointless since the software can change over time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahhell Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Not just Microsoft, but think about the third party apps and games that will be using this. The console will be running Windows, so you can bet it will also have virus, spyware... People who buy consoles don't really want to worry about that... +1. I'll be getting a PS4 too. Good lord. I broke my glasses facepalming. :rofl: Dot Matrix 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonMiles Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Good lord. I broke my glasses facepalming. :rofl: ? It runs a Windows Kernel, and a lot of the component will come right off the Windows 8 desktop. You can bet it will be easier to exploit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tiagosilva29 Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Good lord. I broke my glasses facepalming.He is correct regarding the operating system. So far all Xboxs had a Windows kernel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ahhell Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 ? It runs a Windows Kernel, and a lot of the component will come right off the Windows 8 desktop. You can bet it will be easier to exploit. Viruses/spyware? Really? Get real. Dot Matrix 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomoko Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 Turn camera around to face the wall. Laugh at government spies. Seriously though, there's no reason to force people to Kinect this thing. I understand they are doing it so game publishers can write their games with the knowledge that everyone will have it, but I don't think that's a good enough reason. If publishers want to add Kinect support to their games let them make it optional or put it in the requirements on the box. Not everyone wants to use it and not allowing the console to work without it plugged in is ridiculous.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
n_K Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 He is correct regarding the operating system. So far all Xboxs had a Windows kernel. No, none have. Original xbox was based on the windows 2000 kernel, it is however completely incompatible with windows and windows binaries. Xbox 360 is powerpc architecture, nothing past NT has used powerpc architecture so once again does not feature a windows kernel. Xbox 1 on the other hand has a hypervisor with windows 8 kernel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 < ###### removed > Seriously dude, get real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zhangm Supervisor Posted July 22, 2013 Supervisor Share Posted July 22, 2013 So, the prevailing privacy argument against MS here is that if you have a Kinect, the government can spy on you in your living room, but if you have a PS4, they can't, or will somehow be inconvenienced and give up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rfirth Posted July 22, 2013 Share Posted July 22, 2013 You have WAY more to fear from your Android phone. It has a camera, microphone, persistent connection, people carry them around everywhere, and there are hundreds of millions more people using them than will ever be in contact with an Xbox. The government can also force Sony to spy on you playing your PS3/PS4 with your EyeToy. Or activate the microphone and camera in your Samsung phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Growled Member Posted July 23, 2013 Member Share Posted July 23, 2013 I hope Microsoft sticks by this but they have a history of backtracking when the pressure is on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 So, the prevailing privacy argument against MS here is that if you have a Kinect, the government can spy on you in your living room, but if you have a PS4, they can't, or will somehow be inconvenienced and give up? Didn't the government actual *use* PS3's to track criminals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torolol Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Didn't the government actual *use* PS3's to track criminals? i don't know about 'track', but real PS3 (with otherOS feature still intact) are used to crack passwords: http://asia.gamespot.com//news/ps3s-used-to-capture-child-pornographers-6240562 http://www.pcworld.com/article/140064/article.html and certainly they not using PS3 that sitting on other's Living Rooms ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 So finally they admit it CAN be used to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spenser.d Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 So finally they admit it CAN be used to do it. They didn't though. Not in the all seeing eye way people seem to think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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