DocM Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 Starting a new thread because of major new info, images, and the upcoming maiden flight of the new Falcon 9 v1.1, the basis for F9-R - a reusable rocket. Thread 1: https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/991330-spacex-updates-grasshopper-rlv/ Thread 2: https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1068372-spacex-updates-thread-2/ Thread 3: https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1122124-spacex-updates-thread-3/ New image dump and FH payload numbers Falcon Heavy Payload to GTO: 21,200 kg ($135M) Falcon Heavy Payload to Mars: 13,200 kg Octaweb: F9 v1.1/F9R (9 engine cluster) Octaweb FH/FHR (Falcon Heavy 27 engine cluster layout) M1VacD (upper stage engine) F9R landing leg Vandenberg SLC-4E F9/FH pad & landing site F9R (Falcon 9 Reusable) - Dragon config FHR (Falcon Heavy Reusable) - cargo config SALSN and Crisp 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 Full list of FH payload numbers - Falcon Heavy Payload to LEO: 53,000 kg (Shuttle did 24,000 kg to LEO) Falcon Heavy Payload to GTO: 21,200 kg (Delta IV Heavy = 13,130 kg, Ariane 5 ECA = 10,500 kg) Falcon Heavy Payload to Mars: 13,200 kg (Curiosity's total = 3,893 kg) Comparison of FH to world launchers First F9 v1.1/F9R core. Look close and you can see the lower landing leg attachments. These won't be used right away, but once the Grasshopper 2 project evolves to land landings they'll be ready to use them. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595846329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriz Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 The F9R is the sexiest rocket ive ever seen Jarrichvdv 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595846369 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 You aren't the only one who thinks so, though in the expendable trim the legs aren't used, and the feature list just keeps climbing. The first F9 v1.1/F9R has been shipped to Vandenberg where it'll be integrated, do some pad tests, then launch the CASSIOPE satellite for Canada.. Provisional date is Sept. 5th. During that first flight SpaceX intends to try and "land" the first at sea (safer for a first try.) A new Grasshopper 2 based on F9 v1.1 will fly from SpacePort America in New Mexico, purpose being perfecting the land landing tech & software. Once done they can (hopefully) upload it into the operational rockets, attach the legs and go. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595846455 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherITguy Posted July 30, 2013 Share Posted July 30, 2013 So doc, the Grasshopper 2.0 config, when they fly that off new mexico, is that going to be an actual flight, or just the first stage going up to its targeted height and then coming back down to land? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595846513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted July 30, 2013 Author Share Posted July 30, 2013 The latter - flights scaling up to 300,000 ft first stage profile simulations. Real launches of F9 will test that part of the profile from stage separation through the turnaround and return. The September 5 launch will try to do the deceleration & reentry without turning back with a legless water landing - a hail Mary. If it works it could shorten the F9R development. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595847271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnotherITguy Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Good to hear, I hope it works for them, that way the world can see the F9R in service sooner, and thus reduce the cost of flights Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595849663 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 I think the attendance and webcast audience for the first land landing is going to be huge - like seeing a Robert A. Heinlein story come to life. Geekgasm. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595849719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted August 3, 2013 Author Share Posted August 3, 2013 I think we can assume full rate production has begun. Some are interpreting the 2 stages at the left could be Falcon Heavy side boosters because they appear longer. Jury is still out. https://twitter.com/SpaceX/status/363389988815134720/photo/1 @SpaceX Today in the factory: Churning out those Falcon 9 stages! http://pic.twitter.com/5x9yPOwAe0 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595854481 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beittil Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 Does anybody know when we can expect the new Dragon to be revealed? I read in a previous topic there is supposed to be a drop test of Dragon this month, was hoping somebody had more info on this :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595860269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted August 6, 2013 Author Share Posted August 6, 2013 Does anybody know when we can expect the new Dragon to be revealed? I read in a previous topic there is supposed to be a drop test of Dragon this month, was hoping somebody had more info on this :) There is a drop test of the SNC Dream Chaser spaceplane later this month. This will be a robotic flight, with the drop from 14,000 ft. After that altitudes and conditions get ramped up and sometime in 2014 crews will fly her in the atmosphere - very like the recent SpaceShipTwo tests. Once they're sure of her handling they'll light those 2 big honkin' hybrid rockets for power-on tests. The pad abprt test of the crew Dragon's advanced SuperDraco based launch abort system (LAS) is set for December 2013 or early 2014. This test simulates escaping a disaster on the pad, something that was unsurvivable with the Shuttle. The reveal should be just before this test. In mid-2014 another test of Dragon's LAS will be done during a full-up launch at Max-Q, the point of highest physical stress, to make sure it'll work under the harshest conditions. This was about when Challenger exploded. An emergency in the first 3 minutes of a Shuttle launch was pretty much unsurvivable. SpaceX is designing Dragon the survive emergencies from the pad all the way to orbit SALSN 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595861173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crisp Posted August 6, 2013 Share Posted August 6, 2013 We should have these threads pinned. SALSN 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595861179 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted August 8, 2013 Author Share Posted August 8, 2013 Another big contract, this time with the German Ministry of Defense for recon satellites. This really has to irk Arianespace and Russia. SPACEX IS AWARDED LAUNCH OF GERMAN RADAR RECONNAISSANCE SATELLITE SYSTEM Falcon 9 rocket will deliver three-satellite SARah Constellation that will serve German Ministry of Defense Hawthorne, CA ? Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX) will provide the launch services for Germany?s second-generation radar reconnaissance satellite system. The satellites, provided by OHB System AG and Astrium GmbH, will replace the current constellation and will be delivered to orbit by two Falcon 9 rockets in 2018 and 2019. "SpaceX looks forward to working with OHB and Astrium, and we appreciate their confidence in SpaceX to reliably deliver these satellites to orbit,? said Gwynne Shotwell, SpaceX President and COO. ?These missions are very meaningful for SpaceX as the first contracted for a European government.? OHB will build two passive-antenna synthetic aperture radar (SAR) satellites, and Astrium GmbH will build a larger, phased-array-antenna satellite under contract for OHB. The three-satellite constellation will replace the current OHB-built five-satellite SAR-Lupe constellation. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595866999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IsItPluggedIn Posted August 8, 2013 Share Posted August 8, 2013 I wonder how many of these SpaceX will end up with, for a security stand point not just cost. Since these are Government satellites maybe they didn't want the Russians to look at them... Since SpaceX is private the dont really have any interest in spying on what is going up. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595867339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted August 9, 2013 Author Share Posted August 9, 2013 A lot of it is because the US Air Force is qualifying SpaceX to launch its national security payloads, including the big National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) spy satellites (bigger than Hubble.) Germany is a NATO partner so.... Fact is, SpaceX has built a big complex almost across the street from the NRO headquarters so they can work together easier. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595867577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted August 15, 2013 Author Share Posted August 15, 2013 SpaceX's Dragon has passed a MAJOR design review for carrying NASA / ISS crews NASA Commercial Crew Partner SpaceX Completes Orbit and Entry Review RELEASE 13-255 NASA Commercial Crew Partner SpaceX Completes Orbit and Entry Review NASA Commercial Crew Program (CCP) partner Space Exploration Technologies (SpaceX) recently reviewed the systems critical to sustaining crews in orbit and returning them safely to Earth aboard the company's Dragon spacecraft. SpaceX is one of three commercial space companies working under NASA's Commercial Crew Integrated Capability (CCiCap) initiative to develop spaceflight capabilities that eventually could provide launch services to transport NASA astronauts to the International Space Station from U.S. soil. During the preliminary design review at SpaceX headquarters in Hawthorne, Calif., company engineers presented NASA representatives and aerospace industry experts detailed analyses of Dragon systems critical to keeping crews safe in orbit and during re-entry operations. From basic life support functions, including pressurizing Dragon with breathable air, to stocking the capsule with enough food and water for as many as seven crew members, the spacecraft must be designed to protect humans in the harsh conditions of space. Company designers and NASA engineers dissected the plans carefully to make sure no details were overlooked. "NASA has learned a lot about keeping our astronaut crews safe throughout a mission, and we don't want those lessons to be forgotten," said Ed Mango, NASA's CCP manager. "So, we're sharing a lot of what we already know, and the company is adding its own innovations to suit its needs and meet its challenges." The review detailed equipment and software aboard Dragon that would help guide crews to the International Space Station for rendezvous and docking operations. This included discussion on SpaceX?s planning for software code which, in this modern era of spaceship design, is just as critical as the hardware design. The company also described how the spacecraft will be operated both by its onboard crew and by ground controllers. While SpaceX works to further develop its crewed Dragon spacecraft, it also is preparing for the upcoming launch of the third of at least 12 cargo missions to the space station with a remotely controlled Dragon under NASA's Commercial Resupply Services contract. "SpaceX?s Dragon spacecraft was designed from the outset to accommodate the upgrades necessary to safely carry people, so we?re excited to have reached the halfway point in our agreement with NASA to design those features,? said Gwynne Shotwell, SpaceX president and chief operating officer. ?As we leverage our experience successfully delivering cargo both to the International Space Station and back to Earth, SpaceX remains committed to providing the safest manned flights ever conducted." In December, the company completed preliminary design reviews covering the ground systems and ascent, which are the first two phases of flight. Completion of the orbit and entry review clears the way for SpaceX to proceed with detailed designs for its integrated space transportation system, comprised of its Dragon spacecraft, Falcon 9 rocket and supporting ground systems. The review was the seventh milestone for SpaceX under CCiCap. The company is on track to complete all 15 of its CCiCap milestones by the summer of 2014. All of NASA's industry partners, including SpaceX, continue to meet their established milestones in developing commercial crew transportation capabilities. For more information about NASA's Commercial Crew Program and its aerospace industry partners, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/commercialcrew Crisp 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595882231 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted August 19, 2013 Author Share Posted August 19, 2013 1) F9 v1.1 / CASSIOPE WDR (wet dress rehearsal) set for the last week of August. Hotfire a few days before launch, which is still set for NET Sept. 5th. 2) the recent Grasshopper "divert" test may have been the last one for McGregor. Not confirmed, but strongly rumored. If true later tests will be at SpacePort America. 3) CRS-3 to ISS is set for January 17, 2014. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595888699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beittil Posted August 20, 2013 Share Posted August 20, 2013 I wonder if SpaceX CRS-3 would get the december timeslot in case the Antares/Cygnus mission next month fails. SpaceX does have their pad abort test comming up in december, so their pad might not even be free for a CRS mission in case NASA should ask them to move back?!? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595889737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted August 20, 2013 Author Share Posted August 20, 2013 CRS-3 is up for January 17 because Orbital's Cygnus got the earlier VV (visiting vehicle) slot. It's up to Orbital to make that slot or slip to one after SpaceX. OTOH, SpaceX has several commercial paunches with stages already completed and in testing. CASSIOPE is F9 #6 and on the pad at Vandenberg, stage 7 (SES8) is at McGregor undergoing hotfire acceptance tests and stages 8, 9 and 10 prepping for shipment. The production line is HUMMING. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595890113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beittil Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I know the CRS-3 is in the january slot because Cygnus is slated for december. What I mean is that in case next months COTS2/3 demo fails for Cygnus then they are obviously not going to get a december launch! In which case i wonder if NASA would open up that december slot to SpaceX again. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595892333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted August 21, 2013 Author Share Posted August 21, 2013 No - if Cygnus slips SpaceX would not get the CRS-3 cargo in time to do a fast turnaround in time. Too many logistical issues now that the plan is January, plus they're moving commercial launches into the earlier timeframe. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595892897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beittil Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 WASHINGTON ? NASA is stretching out the third phase of its Commercial Crew Program, providing an additional $55 million to three contractors for more development work on privately designed space transportation systems that could ferry astronauts to and from the international space station as soon as 2017. SpaceX would also get another $20 million, bringing the company?s total CCiCap award to $440 million. The new milestone would fund parachute tests, to be completed in November, for the crewed version of the company?s Dragon spacecraft. The newly funded test will give SpaceX a chance to evaluate Dragon?s chutes before they are used in April for a previously scheduled pad-abort test at the Cape Canaveral Air Force Station in Florida. In that test, SpaceX will evaluate the capsule?s crew escape system, which is designed to blast crews to safety in the event of an anomaly during any phase of Dragon?s ascent to space aboard the company?s Falcon 9 rocket. http://www.spacenews.com/article/civil-space/36943nasa-orders-more-development-work-under-commercial-crew-contracts What I don't understand is, wasn't SpaceX going to do parachute drop test(s) in the october/november months anyway? Not sure, but I thought I read that somewhere. I mean, good for them if they could get an additional $20M out of it when they kick Dragon out the back of a plane... any1 knows more? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595904447 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted August 27, 2013 Author Share Posted August 27, 2013 The $20m is to pay for the govts share of the new parachute systems tests. Recapping - In Oct/Nov there will be a test of a new Dragon parachute system. The deployment mortar and drogue systems were modded to allow the faster deployment. This mod allows it to deploy faster and at lower altitudes after a launch pad abort, or in case the SuperDraco landing thrusters fail during a land touchdown (later Dragon will land using thrusters only - no chutes.) Around December there will be a launch pad abort test of the SuperDraco's and the parachute systems - a Dragon will be mounted atop a simulated 2nd stage at their KSC pad. The SD's will fire as they would to pull Dragon away from a failing Falcon 9 booster and the parachutes will bring it down in the Atlantic just off the coast. Another SuperDraco abort test will happen in early 2014 - a fully equipped Falcon 9 will launch a Dragon at KSC then suffer a simulated "failure" at MAX-Q (maximum dynamic pressure - about where Challenger failed), at which time the SuperDraco's will fire and pull the Dragon to safety. The parachutes will then bring it down in the Atlantic. Pretty extensive tests of a highly advanced and redundant escape system, something the shuttle never had. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595904685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloatingFatMan Posted August 27, 2013 Share Posted August 27, 2013 Pretty extensive tests of a highly advanced snd redundant escape system, something the shuttle never had. Was gonna say. They seem to be doing WAY more escape tests than NASA did... Or is it more a case of there being more reporting these days? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595904699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocM Posted August 27, 2013 Author Share Posted August 27, 2013 Was gonna say. They seem to be doing WAY more escape tests than NASA did... Or is it more a case of there being more reporting these days?You cannot report on something Shuttle never had. The only pad escape system Shuttle had was a zip-line from the launch tower to a bunker some distance away. The crew had to blow the hatch, crawl out and take turns sliding down the zip-line. Useless in a fast moving event. After launch there were no launch abort options for the first 3 minutes of flight - basically until the solid rocket boosters (SRB's) separated. Before then any malfunction resulted in a loss of mission and crew (LOM & LOC.) Early in the Shuttles development there were proposals for ejection seats (these were actually installed in the Enterprise testbed) and a parachute system that would eject the entire pressure vessel-capsule from the orbiter, but both were cut to maximize payload capacity and cut costs. "Nothing can go wrong....wrong....wro...." The capsule parachute system would have saved the Challenger crew as they survived the explosion, not dying until their crew capsule hit the water at 300 mph. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1167603-spacex-updates-thread-4-f9-fh-dragon/#findComment-595904735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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