The Last of Us Remastered

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  On 13/05/2014 at 01:51, mrp04 said:

Probably pre-rendered using the game engine with a good enough bit-rate to look like they were being rendered in real time. Why not just render them in real time though? That takes less room on the disc. I don't remember there being too many things to render in real time.

 

True, and besides the PS4 version is bound to look "better" by default. Not that Last of Us really needed to look better. Don't get me wrong, i'm not one of those end of science "looks good enough" people, but for a PS4 version of an established PS3 title that was so good thanks to gameplay and story, even fancier graphics are truly optional.

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  On 13/05/2014 at 01:57, neoadorable said:

True, and besides the PS4 version is bound to look "better" by default. Not that Last of Us really needed to look better. Don't get me wrong, i'm not one of those end of science "looks good enough" people, but for a PS4 version of an established PS3 title that was so good thanks to gameplay and story, even fancier graphics are truly optional.

 

What I want is a higher rendering resolution. 720p is pretty terrible after getting accustomed to 2560x1600 and the PS4 should be able to run a PS3 game at 1080p60 with no problem. They probably have textures in higher resolution so that too would be nice. 

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  On 13/05/2014 at 01:59, mrp04 said:

What I want is a higher rendering resolution. 720p is pretty terrible after getting accustomed to 2560x1600 and the PS4 should be able to run a PS3 game at 1080p60 with no problem. They probably have textures in higher resolution so that too would be nice. 

 

It will be 1080, no worries there. You can't expect the PS4 to compete with your PC, i mean just your monitor must have cost almost twice, depending when you bought it. Anyway, it will be an upgrade for sure. Gotta say even though i'm also a PC gamer i have no problems with the resolution on either X1 or PS4, what gets to me is aliasing. I'd take smoothness over more pixels any day of the week at this point. But we digress!

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  On 13/05/2014 at 02:08, neoadorable said:

It will be 1080, no worries there. You can't expect the PS4 to compete with your PC, i mean just your monitor must have cost almost twice, depending when you bought it. Anyway, it will be an upgrade for sure. Gotta say even though i'm also a PC gamer i have no problems with the resolution on either X1 or PS4, what gets to me is aliasing. I'd take smoothness over more pixels any day of the week at this point. But we digress!

 

I'm not expecting the PS4 to compete with my PC I just don't want to play games at 720p anymore. 1080p from a console is adequate and hopefully it's full 60fps during gameplay. I will get the TLoU remake for PS4. I didn't have time for the story DLC when it came out then I heard they're re-releasing, so I'll just wait for that version. 

 

That said I feel like the last gen was long overdue for a replacement. I just wish they had gone with slightly more powerful systems this time. They've sold them at a loss the past few generations, if they did so this generation too then we could have had pretty strong systems and PC gaming would have benefited graphically even more with a higher baseline that developers target. The XB1 primarily will be holding PC back for another 5-8 years. 

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  On 13/05/2014 at 02:40, mrp04 said:

I'm not expecting the PS4 to compete with my PC I just don't want to play games at 720p anymore. 1080p from a console is adequate and hopefully it's full 60fps during gameplay. I will get the TLoU remake for PS4. I didn't have time for the story DLC when it came out then I heard they're re-releasing, so I'll just wait for that version. 

 

That said I feel like the last gen was long overdue for a replacement. I just wish they had gone with slightly more powerful systems this time. They've sold them at a loss the past few generations, if they did so this generation too then we could have had pretty strong systems and PC gaming would have benefited graphically even more with a higher baseline that developers target. The XB1 primarily will be holding PC back for another 5-8 years. 

 

Agree these machines were overdue, was among those crying for new systems back in 2010. Agree that they could have been more powerful, but as you say both companies have had nearly a generation of selling at a loss. You can't expect businesses to keep doing that. I don't agree PCs have to be held back, if they are then it's due to lazy and greedy developers, not through any fault of MS or Sony.

 

As i keep saying graphics will not be "good enough" until you literally can't tell the difference from the real world, i.e. the Matrix. But it may take a while and i'm comfortable with the current consoles. Don't forget at least some developers will take the time to get more out of the hardware, which is not as underpowered as some make it seem. I expect even 1440p is possible with the right effort and optimization. Find a way to suspend the OS reserve and there you have it.

 

Keep saying this but no one notices, i mean you really think 5-7 billions 28nm transistor machines with 8GB RAM are weaklings? They're not. They're just not properly configured or utilized at this point, but we need to be patient. They will never exceed what is possible on much more expensive and vastly more powerful PCs, but they will get better than what we have now, for sure.

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  On 13/05/2014 at 03:59, neoadorable said:

Agree these machines were overdue, was among those crying for new systems back in 2010. Agree that they could have been more powerful, but as you say both companies have had nearly a generation of selling at a loss. You can't expect businesses to keep doing that. I don't agree PCs have to be held back, if they are then it's due to lazy and greedy developers, not through any fault of MS or Sony.

 

As i keep saying graphics will not be "good enough" until you literally can't tell the difference from the real world, i.e. the Matrix. But it may take a while and i'm comfortable with the current consoles. Don't forget at least some developers will take the time to get more out of the hardware, which is not as underpowered as some make it seem. I expect even 1440p is possible with the right effort and optimization. Find a way to suspend the OS reserve and there you have it.

 

Keep saying this but no one notices, i mean you really think 5-7 billions 28nm transistor machines with 8GB RAM are weaklings? They're not. They're just not properly configured or utilized at this point, but we need to be patient. They will never exceed what is possible on much more expensive and vastly more powerful PCs, but they will get better than what we have now, for sure.

 

The thing is the last generation systems had GPUs which were equivalent to much more expensive PC GPUs. They have plenty of RAM, even more than I thought they'd have. But their GPUs are weaker than I was expecting. I honestly was expecting 1920x1080x60 for every single game, no exception. It really should be doable with the GPUs we have now.

The last gen consoles were sold at a loss initially. Eventually the hardware became cheap enough that it was sold at a profit. This time they're starting at selling for a small profit. If they had sold for just a $50 loss even and put that extra money into the GPU then we probably could have hit 1920x1080x60 with no problems.

 

Developers code for the lowest common denominator. It's not really laziness, it's just business sense. The graphics for XB1 are still GOOD, people will still buy any game that targets XB1 so it doesn't really make sense for them to spend more money making the game scale up. Most multi-platform games will still target XB1 and port up to PS4 and PC. That's usually what happens and you can't really blame them. But if the weakest was stronger then the baseline would be higher. 

 

All that said they're way better then what Nintendo puts out. They're just not as strong as I'd hoped.

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  On 13/05/2014 at 06:04, mrp04 said:

The thing is the last generation systems had GPUs which were equivalent to much more expensive PC GPUs. They have plenty of RAM, even more than I thought they'd have. But their GPUs are weaker than I was expecting. I honestly was expecting 1920x1080x60 for every single game, no exception. It really should be doable with the GPUs we have now.

The last gen consoles were sold at a loss initially. Eventually the hardware became cheap enough that it was sold at a profit. This time they're starting at selling for a small profit. If they had sold for just a $50 loss even and put that extra money into the GPU then we probably could have hit 1920x1080x60 with no problems.

 

Developers code for the lowest common denominator. It's not really laziness, it's just business sense. The graphics for XB1 are still GOOD, people will still buy any game that targets XB1 so it doesn't really make sense for them to spend more money making the game scale up. Most multi-platform games will still target XB1 and port up to PS4 and PC. That's usually what happens and you can't really blame them. But if the weakest was stronger then the baseline would be higher. 

 

All that said they're way better then what Nintendo puts out. They're just not as strong as I'd hoped.

 

Mostly all true, can't argue with the expectation: was also sure everything would be 1080 bar none. Am not a framerate person, maybe it's me, but i honestly prefer slower moving images. Either way, yes, i agree 100% we were all expecting the "1080 threshold" to be a non-issue. I believe in time it will cease to be, you can't really think for some reason this gen will be the first that will have no improvement over its runtime.

 

Had this discussion before with another member - i don't think 360/PS3 were stronger in GPUs relative to their launch time, plus they were way behind PCs in memory (relative to 2005 i mean). PS3 was like a GeForce 6000 series, 360 was like an X1800 or something like that?

 

By comparison, we get these two with mid-to-high AMD 7000 series-equivalent GPUs and RAM that is comparable to a contemporary mid-range gaming PC. Bottom line is while i agree with what you say, i don't think things are that dire - be patient :D

 

And for sure i agree developers want to make games but they also want to make life bearable for themselves so they can go home at night...so they create for a reasonable median. By the same token though you can't expect Sony and MS to keep selling consoles at a loss, even if it's the $50 that would have gotten us a 7950 equivalent GPU. They need to feed their families too and fifty bucks per device is a lot of money.

 

Interesting you mention Wii U - honestly i've seen that console in action and i'd be lying if i thought ZombiU and AC look bad on it - actually ZombiU i thought looked fantastic! And that's with 2GB total and a 1.2GHz CPU, plus what seems to be an AMD 5000-equivalent GPU. Clearly the devs went the distance and it shows!

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  On 13/05/2014 at 01:46, neoadorable said:

Honestly i don't even remember cutscenes, and they looked like in-engine to me. Anyway Last of Us was so handsome, not really getting it again for the visuals but for the extra content on one disc, as i didn't have a chance to experience Left Behind and never got into the MP first time around. This should be good when it finally arrives.

I had Last of Us for my PS3 but my PS3 died about a half hour in on game play, so I never got to finish the game :(. So I will be buying it for my PS4. I wish I knew the release date.

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  On 13/05/2014 at 13:02, Kvally said:

I had Last of Us for my PS3 but my PS3 died about a half hour in on game play, so I never got to finish the game :(. So I will be buying it for my PS4. I wish I knew the release date.

 

This is terrible...i feel the pain man. PS3's were so reliable and to have something like this happen...well now you will get to enjoy it in higher fidelity and with all the content, plus you can always trade your PS3 copy in (unless it was digital). The release date is currently set to 6/30 on Gamestop, but that's just a placeholder. I expect it to be 6/10 or 6/17, the Tuesdays closest to the original 6/14 release date.

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GAME Barnsley leaked this picture on Twitter and quickly removed the traces. They're now saying it was a mistake and the real date will be announced soon, but it's more like they broke the NDA & told to remove it. Make of it what you will. News will probably come at E3 anyway.
 
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If The Last of Us is released for PS4 this month I will lose it. I need to replay that game so badly especially as I never played the DLC on PS3.

This year is looking barren for next gen games so this will fill the void for a while.

Looks like Sony have specifically denied the 13th so 20th may be more like it.

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  On 19/04/2014 at 17:03, McKay said:

I'm not asking for the whole thing for $10. Right now the PS3 version + Season pass are still $10 cheaper brand new from Amazon than the PS4 version will cost. It would just be nice for a discount for PS3 gamers who had it. If it was a $20 discount for previous owners I'd pick it up without hesitation.

If they followed Microsoft's path (no reason why, just saying, comparing to anniversary editions) it could be about $40 new & include dlc.
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this will be a day one buy for me.  I played it on ps3 on at a friends house not to long ago and been debating on getting it but this means il be getting it for sure.   For some reason though i seriously doubt it would happen but i was hoping this would be one of the surprise gifts for people attending the sony e3 theater experience.  When we went to the Uncharted theater event they gave everyone there a copy of the game for free.

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  On 04/06/2014 at 10:17, DeltaXray said:

If The Last of Us is released for PS4 this month I will lose it. I need to replay that game so badly especially as I never played the DLC on PS3.

This year is looking barren for next gen games so this will fill the void for a while.

Looks like Sony have specifically denied the 13th so 20th may be more like it.

 

My guess would be the 20th, but who knows, denying something or saying it will never happen doesn't seem to carry much weight in this industry these days... :D

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Just had to fork out for my car insurance and I'm off on holiday this month. Really wanted to pick up a PS4 with some shiny games to play through, around the time of this remaster release. Funds don't allow but there's still time. 

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I rarely never play a game twice. I honestly cannot recall the last time I have done so. I think it is as far back as Half Life 2.

I am no doubt renting this, and may even purchase it.
I enjoyed the game that much, and already thought it looked fantastic. Cannot wait to see it look even better!!

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  On 05/06/2014 at 14:54, Brando212 said:

i'm really hoping it does come out this month. it worries me slightly that the playstation store still says the release date is in december

12/31 dates are always placeholder dates because the exact date is not determined yet.

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  On 05/06/2014 at 15:04, 2xSilverKnight said:

12/31 dates are always placeholder dates because the exact date is not determined yet.

i realize that, it's more of If the release really is so close as the 13th or 20th why hasn't the date been updated to reflect that yet? are they expecting a last minute delay or something?

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  On 05/06/2014 at 15:06, Brando212 said:

i realize that, it's more of If the release really is so close as the 13th or 20th why hasn't the date been updated to reflect that yet? are they expecting a last minute delay or something?

Probably because they want to have a surprise and announce it's imminent release at E3

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