Netflix Lets People Know When Bad Streaming Is Verizon's Fault (Update: Verizon Calls It a "

By Gerowen
in Back Page News

 Share

Recommended Posts

Grand Master

Gerowen

Posted
Posted

 

Last night, Yuri Victor tweeted a screenshot of a new Netflix error message he saw while a video was buffering. It tells Verizon customers exactly what's to blame for slow video. And judging by the response from Netflix's spokesperson Jonathan Friedland, it's no mistake. The streaming video world is getting sassy.

 

 

 

More and source with image

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Grand Master

+LogicalApex MVC

Posted
  • MVC
Posted

How could they definitely say that the problem is at Verizon's end?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Enthusiast

Bigkaye

Posted
Posted

If Netflix is paying the delivery tax to verizon, they should be allowed to tell their customers where the performance bottleneck is, as they are technically paying for the whole pipe right to them


How could they definitely say that the problem is at Verizon's end?

 

If netflix can't route quickly to its end host, you, it can determine where the longest delay is/are - which would be pointing to a or many verizon-operated hops according to their popup. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Grand Master

+LogicalApex MVC

Posted
  • MVC
Posted

If Netflix is paying the delivery tax to verizon, they should be allowed to tell their customers where the performance bottleneck is, as they are technically paying for the whole pipe right to them

 

If netflix can't route quickly to its end host, you, it can determine where the longest delay is/are - which would be pointing to a verizon-operated server according to their popup. 

What tax?

 

Also, how can they determine that it is Verizon and not me over saturating my line with traffic on other devices on my LAN?

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Grand Master

+LogicalApex MVC

Posted
  • MVC
Posted

Oh, deal... Its mentioned in the article. http://gizmodo.com/netflix-and-verizon-just-signed-a-traffic-deal-1568974004

 

Because if the last hop is slow, then its you. These probably aren't happening at the last hop.

Why is this a problem? Peering is as old as the Internet...

 

Also, Netflix bullied the ISPs into those devices... It wasn't the other way around.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Grand Master

FloatingFatMan

Posted
Posted

What tax?

 

Also, how can they determine that it is Verizon and not me over saturating my line with traffic on other devices on my LAN?

 

They run a traceroute between you and them. That gives them every hop between each end point and how long it spends getting there. After that, it's just an exercise in mathematics.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Grand Master

+Eternal Tempest MVC

Posted
  • MVC
Posted

some ISP will probably detect traceroute request and make such request seems to be smooth, but bottle-necking the real streaming traffic.

 

This happens a lot with speedtest.net testing as well.

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Grand Master

George P Global Moderator

Posted
  • Global Moderator
Posted

Sounds good to me, I don't blame Netflix for doing this,  I mean look at the whole Net Neutrality and Comcast thing.  Netflix speeds on Comcast dropped a lot until the day Netflix agreed to pay what Comcast wanted and the speeds just rocketed back up overnight.    The ISPs are like the mafia in the US, specially the big ones, Comcast, TWC and so on. 

Link to comment
Share on other sites
Grand Master

+LogicalApex MVC

Posted
  • MVC
Posted

Sounds good to me, I don't blame Netflix for doing this,  I mean look at the whole Net Neutrality and Comcast thing.  Netflix speeds on Comcast dropped a lot until the day Netflix agreed to pay what Comcast wanted and the speeds just rocketed back up overnight.    The ISPs are like the mafia in the US, specially the big ones, Comcast, TWC and so on. 

It makes good headlines, but Comcast didn't bully Netflix into any sort of deal. Netflix had been pushing for ISPs to allow the for years... Netflix saw this as a way to cut out the middle man (in their case Level3). This was widely covered in the press when Netflix launched this in 2011* and well before the Net Neutrality debate started misusing this...

 

I'll leave a few press articles from the period, but you can pull up others:

 

http://techcrunch.com/2012/06/04/netflix-open-connect/

http://gigaom.com/2013/11/11/netflixs-new-pitch-for-open-connect-it-sucks-less-during-prime-time/

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/oct/18/entertainment/la-et-ct-netflix-open-connect-20131018

 

 

* Although they announce it in 2012, they started deploying in 2011 according to their site.

 

I'm all for Net Neutrality, but we need to stop spreading the lie that Comcast bullied Netflix into some agreement. The opposite is true. Netflix bullied Comcast into that relationship...

Link to comment
Share on other sites
This topic is now closed to further replies.
 Share
Go to topic listing

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    • No registered users viewing this page.