Stoffel Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 The builds without the start menu that aren't part of the main branch are probably the ones they are working on for tablet only I'd bet. The start menu is something you'll see only on traditional desktops and laptops from what I've been hearing, the system will, or should, change depending on the hardware connected. As interesting as the desktop side changes are, because I still mostly use my desktop compared to my tablet, i'm much more interested in what they do with WP and RT and making them one OS for phone and tablet. The way I understood it was that there will be no more start screen, but the new start menu will be able to go full screen. Any ideas about that? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596560511 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian W Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 The way I understood it was that there will be no more start screen, but the new start menu will be able to go full screen. Any ideas about that? I know that your comment was not directed toward me, but I would hate if the Start screen is not available as an option, especially since the interactive Live Tiles shown by Microsoft Research look so interesting . . . Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596560513 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Setnom Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 The start screen will not go away. What I think Microsoft will do is: if you're using a desktop/laptop, the start menu is enabled by default. If you're using a tablet/touch device, the start screen is enabled by default. Users will then a have a choice to continue using the default start, or change to another. Dot Matrix 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596560527 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh the Nerd Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I know that your comment was not directed toward me, but I would hate if the Start screen is not available as an option, especially since the interactive Live Tiles shown by Microsoft Research look so interesting . . . Here's where the story comes from: http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/start-menu-will-replace-start-screen-threshold The Threshold Start menu already has a side for tiles, so a maximized Start menu would basically be the same thing as the Start screen plus a traditional Start menu column on the left. I'd assume there's a way to hide the traditional column too. Ian W 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596560551 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian W Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 Here's where the story comes from: http://winsupersite.com/windows-8/start-menu-will-replace-start-screen-threshold The Threshold Start menu already has a side for tiles, so a maximized Start menu would basically be the same thing as the Start screen plus a traditional Start menu column on the left. I'd assume there's a way to hide the traditional column too. That's . . . not what I wanted to hear. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596560569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaiKee Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 Are there builds of Windows vNext without a start menu: yes. Are they part of the main branch: no. Tks Brad for finally decided to share this info, although (some) OEM people had even known about it for quite a while. Could you clarify slightly further? : Does winmain builds has it? - yes, no, or you don't know. Tks. Btw, clever move to say "vNext". :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596560617 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 That's . . . not what I wanted to hear. The Start Screen should still be there. Microsoft is said to be including more customization features for it. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596560627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian W Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 The Start Screen should still be there. Microsoft is said to be including more customization features for it. I really hope so. My concern is not just about the Start screen itself, because it is difficult for me to imagine how one would (enjoyably) use the interactive Live Tiles on the Start menu . . . Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596560629 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoffel Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 I really hope so. My concern is not just about the Start screen itself, because it is difficult for me to imagine how one would (enjoyably) use the interactive Live Tiles on the Start menu . . . I assume that when the new start menu is maximized it will function like the start screen we have now, hopefully with some improvements obviously The main one i'm hoping for is the ability to move tiles around freely like you can on WP, without all the other tiles rearranging COKid 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596560687 Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted August 30, 2014 Global Moderator Share Posted August 30, 2014 I assume that when the new start menu is maximized it will function like the start screen we have now, hopefully with some improvements obviously The main one i'm hoping for is the ability to move tiles around freely like you can on WP, without all the other tiles rearranging Without knowing what the final new start menu will look like (other than that early version they showed us) and what changes they're making to the start screen itself, it'd be hard to say if when you "maximize" the start menu you just get a full screen version of it or not. I doubt that's the case though, when it's a menu it makes more sense to show a app list or something more than just the tiles, but when it's a full screen like now in 8 then you don't have to show that stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if the menu itself has a toggle switch you can click on, or at the least they just have a option you can set in the taskbar properties or in PC Settings. It also shouldn't be a surprise to see more things from WPs start screen make their way into the Windows version, like what you talk about but also the new live folders feature they just added to WP8.1.1. Stoffel 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596560693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaiKee Posted August 30, 2014 Author Share Posted August 30, 2014 The PCBeta guy has updated his FB profile page, although personally I think it's a funny idea for not posting links, anyway, a promise is a promise, it's not difficult to find the post. :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596560699 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris123NT Posted August 30, 2014 Share Posted August 30, 2014 The PCBeta guy has updated his FB profile page, although personally I think it's a funny idea for not posting links, anyway, a promise is a promise, it's not difficult to find the post. :) Image is not loading. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596560703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaiKee Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 Image is not loading. Uploaded to photobucket: http://i1272.photobucket.com/albums/y393/chfai/000747x47bbsdfiwicgwcu_zpsb087fa12.png Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596560781 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaiKee Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 That's . . . not what I wanted to hear. I've heard of a "New Charm Bar" for win9, don't know the details except they (could) have more new functions, this could be the answer to your question. :) Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596560903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ci7 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 i wish if they could merge those 2 control panel into one Ian W and Pulagatha 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596561097 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Studio384 Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Any idea which major features will be present in the Windows Technical Preview next month? Is there an Internet Explorer 12 in there? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596561201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted August 31, 2014 Global Moderator Share Posted August 31, 2014 Any idea which major features will be present in the Windows Technical Preview next month? Is there an Internet Explorer 12 in there? You know, with the whole Developer Channel release they did a while ago, you'd expect a newer version of IE will be in this TP, but I also expected them to have updated the DC by now, and they haven't. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596561349 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaiKee Posted August 31, 2014 Author Share Posted August 31, 2014 Since we heard about "Windows 365", we only know a name, and it has been under development in MS, now thee is a (very) vague idea:The Bing translation is awful, here's the proper translation:Windows 365 is something similar to Office 365, but inside there is a "bundle of things"(probably some components), and so there's a difference, can only know the details when this "thing" is developed by the win365 team.Btw, Brad has stated in a very carefully phrased statement that he has not seen start menu in his friedn's copy, he probably has some kind of private NDA so I won't go further, but I talked with a OEM guy, his copy doesn't has it either, and his comment was, he wouldn't rule out it could exists in some branch copy, but has to consider this :Start menu is not just another independent feature, it calls everything inside the Windows OS, functions/features/apps/softwares, e.g., if for the team developing mail apps, naturally they need to test if the mail app tile will work properly in the start menu, not just the tile could launch, but the live tiles, interactive functions, tile settings, etc, insdie the start menu which has its own complicated API for different settings of the menu itself. :) Pulagatha 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596561993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdsams Veteran Posted August 31, 2014 Veteran Share Posted August 31, 2014 Start menu is present In 982X builds, I haven't seen 983X yet. FaiKee 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596562001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoffel Posted August 31, 2014 Share Posted August 31, 2014 Start menu is present In 982X builds, I haven't seen 983X yet. OK, when can you spill the beans??? All this cryptic stuff is driving me mad!!!!! :) Can you give us something on that new start menu? Have you seen it maximized? Does it still have the same functionality as in Win 8.1 when it's maximized? ... Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596562005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaiKee Posted September 1, 2014 Author Share Posted September 1, 2014 Start menu is present In 982X builds, I haven't seen 983X yet. Good luck, Brad, you'll need it. :) Tews and bdsams 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596562113 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian S. Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 i wish if they could merge those 2 control panel into one If they could I would rather them merge all the settings across everything into one. For example, changing file permissions dialogue has many different windows that pops up, viewing wifi saved wifi password also opens up a separate box etc. Ian W and gohpep 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596562127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian W Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 If they could I would rather them merge all the settings across everything into one. For example, changing file permissions dialogue has many different windows that pops up, viewing wifi saved wifi password also opens up a separate box etc. I thought he meant that by combining the two, that all settings would be shared between the two. I must have misread his comment . . . Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596562161 Share on other sites More sharing options...
George P Global Moderator Posted September 1, 2014 Global Moderator Share Posted September 1, 2014 I thought he meant that by combining the two, that all settings would be shared between the two. I must have misread his comment . . . He either meant that or, probably, that instead of two control panels they just have one. It's going to take a good bit of time to redo all the different advanced settings boxes that pop up when you start to dig into control panel. With PC Settings, starting new, they've been adding the most used stuff, but even now if you look there are some things that aren't in PC Settings but in the settings charm flyout window to the right. Like start screen personalization comes to mind. In general they have things scattered all around the place, it would be best to put them all together into one area IMO. BajiRav 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596562329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian W Posted September 1, 2014 Share Posted September 1, 2014 In general they have things scattered all around the place, it would be best to put them all together into one area IMO. I would love it if they added everything to PC Settings since the interface seems to be much more consistent than the Control Panel with its various dialog boxes, windows, et cetera . . . Stoffel and Dot Matrix 2 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1226031-windows-9-and-windows-365-expected-to-see-the-light-of-day/page/4/#findComment-596562339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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