patseguin Global Moderator Posted August 26, 2014 Global Moderator Share Posted August 26, 2014 Anyone noticed jagged text for headlines on the new main page? It sure does take away from its aesthetics. If it's not a known problem, I'll post a screenshot. goretsky 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon H Supervisor Posted August 26, 2014 Supervisor Share Posted August 26, 2014 update your chrome browser the issue you're seeing is DirectWrite isn't enabled on the browser you're using Chasethebase 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astropheed Veteran Posted August 26, 2014 Veteran Share Posted August 26, 2014 It is most likely due to how your browser is rendering fonts. Chrome? The fix appears to be to enable DirectWrite in the Flags settings of Chrome chrome://flags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDT Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Yeah, I had the same issue till a few minutes ago when I switched to Chrome 64 bit. The text is fine now. devHead 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
123456789A Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Make sure 8x FSAA is enabled. Much smoother. yxz, Praetor, BajiRav and 3 others 6 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambroos Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 You're kidding, right? No issues whatsoever on IE (Recommended) Text rendering in IE on Windows 8+ is actually one of the worst you can get right now on low-DPI monitors. They threw out RGB subpixel anti-aliasing (ClearType) and replaced it with a greyscale variant that is just plain ugly. They did the same with Office 2013 (because, you know, who cares about font rendering in a word processor, idiots). Font-rendering wise, Windows 8+ and Office 2013 are a disaster for anything but high-resolution or tablet displays. Good thing third party software can still use good old quality ClearType and DirectWrite on Windows 8+. Torolol 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lt8480 Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Font-rendering wise, Windows 8+ and Office 2013 are a disaster for anything but high-resolution or tablet displays. Good thing third party software can still use good old quality ClearType and DirectWrite on Windows 8+. I'm a bit off topic here but my Office looks miles better on my Windows 8.1 machine than my Windows 7 machine using the same version of office (2007) and the same monitor (24inch 1920x1200). Not sure why but some fonts (such as Minion Pro) are almost unreadable in Windows 7 in word but look much better in Windows 8 - any ideas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambroos Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 I'm a bit off topic here but my Office looks miles better on my Windows 8.1 machine than my Windows 7 machine using the same version of office (2007) and the same monitor (24inch 1920x1200). Not sure why but some fonts (such as Minion Pro) are almost unreadable in Windows 7 in word but look much better in Windows 8 - any ideas? Office 2007 font rendering should be exactly the same on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 with default Windows settings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torolol Posted August 26, 2014 Share Posted August 26, 2014 Text rendering in IE on Windows 8+ is actually one of the worst you can get right now on low-DPI monitors. They threw out RGB subpixel anti-aliasing (ClearType) and replaced it with a greyscale variant that is just plain ugly. They did the same with Office 2013 (because, you know, who cares about font rendering in a word processor, idiots). Font-rendering wise, Windows 8+ and Office 2013 are a disaster for anything but high-resolution or tablet displays. Good thing third party software can still use good old quality ClearType and DirectWrite on Windows 8+. Agreed, but that decision are made because more monitors do not use the old horisontal RGB / BGR subpixel arrangement anymore, some OLED monitor even add yellow/brown sub-pixel. This done to increase the picture quality (and usually favored by gamers), but: The ClearType rendering algorithm would produce bad output if its doesn't recognized the monitor sub-pixel arrangement, and using the wrong assumption about it. So yeah, the grey-scaling the whole adjacent pixels is a simple (& lazy) cop-out, but it works just fine for higher resolution display. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raa Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I'm a bit off topic here but my Office looks miles better on my Windows 8.1 machine than my Windows 7 machine using the same version of office (2007) and the same monitor (24inch 1920x1200). Not sure why but some fonts (such as Minion Pro) are almost unreadable in Windows 7 in word but look much better in Windows 8 - any ideas? It's called "placebo". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goretsky Supervisor Posted August 27, 2014 Supervisor Share Posted August 27, 2014 Hello, I noticed some artefacts, too. Running Mozilla Firefox 31.0 on Windows 7 x64 Regards, Aryeh Goretsky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torolol Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 since i can't edit my post anymore, i post here example of annoying artefacts due to wrong sub-pixel assumption: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denis W. Veteran Posted August 27, 2014 Veteran Share Posted August 27, 2014 Let's not drag browser wars into support topics, alrighty? As mentioned above, please upgrade to the latest stable build of Chrome to deal with this problem. Alternatively, for those on older Chromium browsers, or browsers derived from Chromium (i.e. Opera) that don't have the flag enabled by default, please enable it via about://flags/#enable-direct-write Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted August 27, 2014 Veteran Share Posted August 27, 2014 since i can't edit my post anymore, i post here example of annoying artefacts due to wrong sub-pixel assumption: ... Switch to a light theme, for whatever reason light text on a dark background flips the sub-pixel alignment when rendering. I've yet to see an explanation as to why, but it happens on Windows and OS X. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devHead Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Yeah, I had the same issue till a few minutes ago when I switched to Chrome 64 bit. The text is fine now. Same with me! It looks good now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BajiRav Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Text rendering in IE on Windows 8+ is actually one of the worst you can get right now on low-DPI monitors. They threw out RGB subpixel anti-aliasing (ClearType) and replaced it with a greyscale variant that is just plain ugly. They did the same with Office 2013 (because, you know, who cares about font rendering in a word processor, idiots). Font-rendering wise, Windows 8+ and Office 2013 are a disaster for anything but high-resolution or tablet displays. Good thing third party software can still use good old quality ClearType and DirectWrite on Windows 8+. how do you define low DPI? I don't see any issues on my 14" 1366x768. No problem in office 2013 either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambroos Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 how do you define low DPI? I don't see any issues on my 14" 1366x768. No problem in office 2013 either. I suppose you get used to it, but I clearly notice it on my 16" 1600x900 display and it's not something that's just in my mind - the internet is full of complaints about this. It's very obvious in the email-app because of the thin fonts, but it's like this everywhere in Metro + IE on 8 + Office 2013. Screenshot (needs to be viewed in full size): Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BajiRav Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I suppose you get used to it, but I clearly notice it on my 16" 1600x900 display and it's not something that's just in my mind - the internet is full of complaints about this. It's very obvious in the email-app because of the thin fonts, but it's like this everywhere in Metro + IE on 8 + Office 2013. Screenshot (needs to be viewed in full size): I am not "used to" it but I don't see it in IE11. I don't use the metro apps enough (mostly use desktop side)to notice it I guess. Yeah, those fonts do look hideous on my system too but IE11-desktop doesn't show it. Raa 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ambroos Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 I am not "used to" it but I don't see it in IE11. I don't use the metro apps enough (mostly use desktop side)to notice it I guess. Yeah, those fonts do look hideous on my system too but IE11-desktop doesn't show it. It's less obvious, but IE on Windows 8 has also reverted to grayscale rendering, you can tell if you just use Winkey and Plus to zoom in. ClearType will show red and blue pixels on edges of fonts, grayscale AA will use, well, grayscale. You can compare Chrome and IE here: http://i.imgur.com/uLIPTPi.png One of the results of grayscale AA is that fonts appear to be/have to be bolder than usual, and certain font weights really don't render well (look at the bottom of the "e" in "Vergelijk" near the top left for example). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patseguin Global Moderator Posted August 27, 2014 Author Global Moderator Share Posted August 27, 2014 I've been running the dev channel 64-bit Chrome for a long time and I always keep it up to date. The lettering indeed is perfect in IE. Edit: I just looked again and it's fine now. I didn't update Chrome or anything. It already was the latest version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawasabi Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Have this problem too with firefox 31 and win 8.1 x64. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lt8480 Posted August 27, 2014 Share Posted August 27, 2014 Office 2007 font rendering should be exactly the same on Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 with default Windows settings. It's called "placebo". Hmm - very strange. I have re-compared the monitors and can assure you there is some difference ... (they are the same model not literally the same monitor) I'll try to grab some photos, but maybe my settings are different somewhere in Windows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Decryptor Veteran Posted August 28, 2014 Veteran Share Posted August 28, 2014 Have this problem too with firefox 31 and win 8.1 x64. Make sure you have hardware acceleration enabled, and in about:support it should say both Direct2D and DirectWrite are "true" (In the graphics section) kawasabi 1 Share Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kawasabi Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 Make sure you have hardware acceleration enabled, and in about:support it should say both Direct2D and DirectWrite are "true" (In the graphics section) thnx, that worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
(Account no longer active) Posted August 28, 2014 Share Posted August 28, 2014 I'm having mixed experiences: All my PCs run Firefox. On one, front page text is jagged. On another, when viewing a news article, the headline text is jagged. And on the PC I'm typing this on now, all forum text in grey, and some in black, appears jagged! Font smoothing is working perfectly on all other sites/system-wide. No issues before the upgrade. I'm pretty certain someone changed some fonts... Also, the 'Rule breaking has consequences; think before you post ? Community Rules' message appears on two lines (instead of one). Font alignment is also out around the place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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