Say hello to men who hate the NSA but love invading the privacy of women

[epk]

It isn't different, breaking into someone's home and stealing pictures is highly illegal and a horrible thing to do, just like hacking someone's account.  I'm not sure what your point is....

My point is that people would probably think it's insane to have their naked pics laying around the house even if they lock the door, but once they go digital they become careless. How many people sext and they regret their pics ending up online?

[ichi]

I've yet to see and instance of that "the same people that said that are now saying this" argument that isn't being applied in a fallacious way.

[Skiver Veteran]

Is part of the problem not education here? I mean people here saying don't store things online if you don't want them seen etc but it's not like these people were posting things on Flickr or Facebook here. Cloud storage is supposed to be safe, so why shouldn't you put faith in Apple or Dropbox or any other online storage to keep what you've stored safe? 

 

I get the whole take better care, but lets not take away the blame from the providers here, we should have access to secure services! If you want to be truly cynical about "the internet" then I suspect you don't use internet banking? or even purchase things online? It's exactly the same thing, you are giving sensitive data out on the internet and putting your trust in Amazon or HSBC or whatever service you use online.

 

It seems like most here are blaming people for their trust rather than blaming the providers who broke that trust and failed to secure your data.

[FloatingFatMan]

It seems like most here are blaming people for their trust rather than blaming the providers who broke that trust and failed to secure your data.

 

The blame lies in all 3 courts, really:

 

The hackers - For being a scumbag hacker in the first place

The victim - For being so incredibly naive as to not realise they'd be targets for hacker lowlifes.

The service provider - For sucking with security.

[techbeck]

Sucks, but it is their fault for posting stuff online that they didnt want anyone else to see.  Nothing is 100 percent secure and why I have strict limits on what I post online.

[Dot Matrix]

Sucks, but it is their fault for posting stuff online that they didnt want anyone else to see.  Nothing is 100 percent secure and why I have strict limits on what I post online.

You cannot blame the victims. That's like saying it's your fault your credit card got stolen, should've used cash instead.

[techbeck]

You cannot blame the victims. That's like saying it's your fault your credit card got stolen, should've used cash instead.

 

It is their stupidity for letting this happen.  This isnt the first time this has happened and will not be the last.  It is called common sense.  And if I left my credit card in a place where it could be stolen, then that would be my fault as well.

[compl3x]

Is part of the problem not education here? I mean people here saying don't store things online if you don't want them seen etc but it's not like these people were posting things on Flickr or Facebook here. Cloud storage is supposed to be safe, so why shouldn't you put faith in Apple or Dropbox or any other online storage to keep what you've stored safe? 

 

I get the whole take better care, but lets not take away the blame from the providers here, we should have access to secure services! If you want to be truly cynical about "the internet" then I suspect you don't use internet banking? or even purchase things online? It's exactly the same thing, you are giving sensitive data out on the internet and putting your trust in Amazon or HSBC or whatever service you use online.

 

It seems like most here are blaming people for their trust rather than blaming the providers who broke that trust and failed to secure your data.

 

 

People with more advanced technical understandings of things have a tendency to ridicule those who don't. A lot of these images and videos may have been uploaded without the user being aware. Pretty much all phones back up camera roll and recorded video to icloud, dropbox, onedrive etc.

 

Throw in the fact that the victims are celebs and you've got a pretty good recipe for an unsympathetic response.

[Nick H. Supervisor]

Cloud storage is supposed to be safe, so why shouldn't you put faith in Apple or Dropbox or any other online storage to keep what you've stored safe?

I agree, but at the same time I've been saying since the beginning that I've not been a fan of cloud storage. The data is no longer in my control, and I have to hope that the person that does have control of it has enough security to keep my information secure.

I never upload important, confidential documents to the cloud. This is precisely the reason why, and why companies tell their employees not to do it either. But most people see the ease of accessing the information from anywhere and assume that because it is being held by a big name like Apple or Amazon, it'll be perfectly secure. Time and time again we have seen this to be false, and more people need to take note.

[taim]

It's weird people have switched from the more secure physical safe behind armed guards to having things stored on something that is accessible from anywhere.

[xrobwx71]

I'm not blaming the victims or anything but how is this different than having the photos printed and at your house? Someone could take and leak those as well, breaking in even. If you're really that paranoid you shouldn't take them, or go the extra mile to keep them secure.

 

And like Nick said, especially if you're (or aspiring to be) a celeb!

Just like the Tommy Lee & Pam Anderson tapes. They were locked in a vault in one of their homes. Said vault was stolen and the tapes "leaked". 

[Skiver Veteran]

I agree, but at the same time I've been saying since the beginning that I've not been a fan of cloud storage. The data is no longer in my control, and I have to hope that the person that does have control of it has enough security to keep my information secure.

I never upload important, confidential documents to the cloud. This is precisely the reason why, and why companies tell their employees not to do it either. But most people see the ease of accessing the information from anywhere and assume that because it is being held by a big name like Apple or Amazon, it'll be perfectly secure. Time and time again we have seen this to be false, and more people need to take note.

 

I understand, but shouldn't these big names be doing more to secure their services? I mean I don't know if it's true but I heard Apple have came out and claimed it wasn't hacked but it was a case of people "gussing" security questions/usernames/passwords.

 

They say this like its a better scenario however I would think that's even worse! Someone brute forcing the website is probably one of the lowest/easiest forms of "hacking" that it's almost embarassing when things like OCR checks for a long time beat off the vast majority of brute force attacks. I know that's not the case now but there are other things that can be done to make these things near impossible. What's also not being said is that most of the user/pass lists that are used are gained by actually getting the data out of a server and decrypting the info, sure some "frequently" used things will be in there but most are from actual lists of peoples usernames and passwords. No it may not be from Apple themselves but again that comes down to education where people use the same password for every site.

 

As long as I have taken the time to do what I can on my side, then the providers should be doing what they can to secure my data no matter whether it's sensitive or not.

[Praetor]

Sucks, but it is their fault for posting stuff online that they didnt want anyone else to see.  Nothing is 100 percent secure and why I have strict limits on what I post online.

 

So if your bank account gets cleanup because of a massive breach in the bank, it's your fault right? Not the criminals nor the bank itself, but yours? Because you should had storage your money under the mattress...

[Praetor]

I understand, but shouldn't these big names be doing more to secure their services? I mean I don't know if it's true but I heard Apple have came out and claimed it wasn't hacked but it was a case of people "gussing" security questions/usernames/passwords.

 

no way this "hack" was done in one night; this was done over a very big period of time. One of those celebs even said that those pics of her were deleted some years ago, so it's safe to say that the pics/videos were gained in some underground sharing rig and collected from a big period of time and someone decided to make a profit from all of those.

[Skiver Veteran]

So if your bank account gets cleanup because of a massive breach in the bank, it's your fault right? Not the criminals nor the bank itself, but yours? Because you should had storage your money under the mattress...

 

I think you said in a single line what I said in a 20 chapter novel :p

[techbeck]

So if your bank account gets cleanup because of a massive breach in the bank, it's your fault right? Not the criminals nor the bank itself, but yours? Because you should had storage your money under the mattress...

 

Banks back you.  Your money gets stolen, they will reimburse you.  Who will reimburse you if nude photos get stolen?

 

These people put themselves in a situation that they caused.  In this day and age where things are hacked daily, it is stupid to put data online like this.  Problem started with the person and should end there.  And it will happen again and again because people do not learn.

 

And recently it was revealed that one of the leaked photos was when the woman was underage.  Under 18.  Kids have gotten arrested and brought up on child porn charges for pictures like this.  But I guess it is the hackers fault for revealing these underage pics and the person who actually took them and stored them online is not responsible.  And who knows who she sent those pics to.

 

http://www.slashgear.com/celebrity-photo-leak-worsens-as-underage-photos-found-02344083/

[spenser.d]

Banks back you. Your money gets stolen, they will reimburse you. Who will reimburse you if nude photos get stolen?

These people put themselves in a situation that they caused. In this day and age where things are hacked daily, it is stupid to put data online like this. Problem started with the person and should end there. And it will happen again and again because people do not learn.

That doesn't really make that situation any less different. Nor does it make it any different than someone burglarizing your house, for example. You might have all your belongings behind locked doors, but nobody is going to blame you of someone breaks in and steals your stuff.

Quite frankly the blame being laid on the victims here is disgusting. The only real difference between this situation and any other robbery is what was taken - nude photos of female celebrities - and all of a sudden its their own damn fault. :rolleyes:

[techbeck]

That doesn't really make that situation any less different. Nor does it make it any different than someone burglarizing your house, for example. You might have all your belongings behind locked doors, but nobody is going to blame you of someone breaks in and steals your stuff.

Quite frankly the blame being laid on the victims here is disgusting. The only real difference between this situation and any other robbery is what was taken - nude photos of female celebrities - and all of a sudden its their own damn fault. :rolleyes:

 

You have your opinion, I have mine.  These celebs are not innocent in all of this.  That is all I am saying.  Especially the one who posted underage pics.

 

The people trusted another company/service to protect their data.  Big mistake and why there are certain things I dont and will never post to the cloud.

[Praetor]

Banks back you.  Your money gets stolen, they will reimburse you.  Who will reimburse you if nude photos get stolen?

 

These people put themselves in a situation that they caused.  In this day and age where things are hacked daily, it is stupid to put data online like this.  Problem started with the person and should end there.  And it will happen again and again because people do not learn.

 

And recently it was revealed that one of the leaked photos was when the woman was underage.  Under 18.  Kids have gotten arrested and brought up on child porn charges for pictures like this.  But I guess it is the hackers fault for revealing these underage pics and the person who actually took them and stored them online is not responsible.  And who knows who she sent those pics to.

 

http://www.slashgear.com/celebrity-photo-leak-worsens-as-underage-photos-found-02344083/

 

again, you are putting the leverage on the victims, nor the criminals or the service (if it was really iCloud). And you are really claiming that it's not the hackers fault to release underage pictures? really?

 

Also bank doesn't always back you: i live in a country where in the last years 2 of the biggest private banks got bankrupted and the people who had money in there lost it all; also if your homebanking gets hacked and someone cleans your account the bank won't do jack to protect you - i know this because 2 clients of mine were direct targets for this attack; while one of them contacted the bank before it was too late, the other one didn't realise until the account was empty, causing him to declare bankrupt (the whole process is in the courts right now and it's a mess, QF).

[taim]

What if all the celebrity nude leaked photos were male celebrities?

[Praetor]

You have your opinion, I have mine.  These celebs are not innocent in all of this.  That is all I am saying.  Especially the one who posted underage pics.

 

The people trusted another company/service to protect their data.  Big mistake and why there are certain things I dont and will never post to the cloud.

 

some of the services (like dropbox) upload automatically to the cloud; people are often quite ignorant about this and the risk it represents.

 

about the underage pics: i really don't know who took them and released them (if it was the subject of the picture or another person); this is just a big mess, honestly.

[Setnom]

No one would care...

 

EDIT: No, that's not right. The media would picture it as a funny episode ("Carlos Danger" cough cough).

[techbeck]

again, you are putting the leverage on the victims, nor the criminals or the service (if it was really iCloud). And you are really claiming that it's not the hackers fault to release underage pictures? really?

 

Hot news tip...celeb nude pics are hot topic.  Leaks have happened several times before.  To then put your pics in a place where this can happen to you, is stupid.  And i am saying that the hackers probably didnt know they were underage pics.  And there have been cases when a person takes underage pics of themselves, they them self get brought up on charges.  Underage pics should never exist in the first place and the fact they were posted online...this is the celebs fault period.

 

Hackers are at fault here. I didnt meant to dismiss them. A lot of human stupidity comes in to play here and these celebs are to blame as well.

[timster]

What if all the celebrity nude leaked photos were male celebrities?

the media would be blaming the male celebrities instead of those that chose to steal and release the photos

[+LogicalApex MVC]

Why is this article attempting to paint the "Internet" as one brush? Obviously, there are users who care about privacy online who also haven't looked at the leaked photos and don't care to. There is also far more users online who don't care about privacy and post everything online to some cloud service or Facebook or whatever. Since the privacy advocates, like me, are clearly a tiny fraction of users to broad stroke this seems like hyperbole at the least and an attempt to make this an attack on guys somehow.

 

The rules have never changed... Assume anything you post online is public as it may ever well become public at some point.