Diet soda drinkers lose more weight than water drinkers

[MightyJordan]

I wondered if flavored water, say tea / no sugar (or minimal sugar) would have the save effect.

 

I always get an after taste with just about every artificial sweetener to come out to date, so I do water or unsweetened tea.

On a similar note, I've read before about sparkling water having the same effect; for some people, the carbonation alone is enough for them.

[+E.Worm Jimmy Subscriber¹]

On a similar note, I've read before about sparkling water having the same effect; for some people, the carbonation alone is enough for them.

 

I love drinking club soda with some lemon slices in it.       i also like plain water with a slice in it.     just a little taste, and it goes a long way

favored water (flavored with natural lemon essence)  still taste bad to me, so that i cannot drink it at all.        even though it is natural, it is still no where near the taste of a fresh lemon slice.

 

it is the best solution.   natural lemon (not natural lemon flavour though..)       and it is supposed to be very good for you to (lemon water is recommended  by many health experts) - but i most love the taste.

[TAZMINATOR]

I love drinking club soda with some lemon slices in it.       i also like plain water with a slice in it.     just a little taste, and it goes a long way

favored water (flavored with natural lemon essence)  still taste bad to me, so that i cannot drink it at all.        even though it is natural, it is still no where near the taste of a fresh lemon slice.

 

it is the best solution.   natural lemon (not natural lemon flavour though..)       and it is supposed to be very good for you to (lemon water is recommended  by many health experts) - but i most love the taste.

 

No no no!  Use Lime instead!  You can make LimeMaster mad for killing/slicing the lime!  :p

[Defcon]

Simple explanation - drinking a diet soda is much more filling (physically and psychologically) than a glass of water. So you're less likely to gulp down a glass of juice/eat food.

 

Compared to a real soda, you get less calories, but its been shown the body still thinks you are consuming 'sugar' so it triggers the insulin reponse which isn't good. But that's probably less of a concern for someone compared to reducing caloric intake.

[+E.Worm Jimmy Subscriber¹]

No no no!  Use Lime instead!  You can make LimeMaster mad for killing/slicing the lime!  :p

 

how about that?

i also love to made a pitcher of ice water and cut up a cucumber in it...      creating a SPA type water that tastes good.   though you want to use all in one day, as it is not good after a while, so you want just keep it in the fridge for tomorrow.

[TAZMINATOR]

how about that?

 

Works for me... but see what LimeMaster has to say about that. 

 

:laugh:

[Innervisions33]

Is this study backed by the beverage industry because it produced favorable results, or was the beverage industry responsible for producing the study?

[Skiver Veteran]

Pepsi Max, Diet Dr. Pepper, and Coca-Cola Zero are some of my favorites, in that exact order.

 

Other drinks taste too "diety".

 

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Self-control / moderation help more than anything, along with exercise. The whole idea of drinking diet drinks to lose weight is silly.

 

Quick paths or shortcuts to success rarely work or are usually unhealthy. My mother for instance tried sticking to an absurd 500 calories a day, while taking in bad foods even when she did eat. Many frozen foods that are "lean" (see lean pockets) will tell you they are low in fat and calories, while "high" in protein, failing to mention how high their carb count is or the fact that it's full of sodium. You want good complex carbs (such as vegetables), not sodium enriched junk food.

 

Dieting isn't the easiest thing to do, but why make it harder on yourself jumping through all these hoops instead of taking the time to actually better yourself? Why make oneself miserable? That's what I never understood about some of the people I talk to.

 

Work smarter, not harder. You don't need to spend 6+ hours in the gym a week, I promise. (unless you've got really high goals for yourself) But you do need patience and discipline if you expect to see results. Consistency is the key word.

 

500 Calories a day is insane! A year and a half ago when I finally decided to loose weight I did a 1200 a day diet I think however I would balance that with days I could eat 1500 as long as I made sure that the extra 300 were burnt by going for a run etc.

 

But i do agree, starving yourself only makes you unhappy, I remember for for a good while I would be hungry 24/7, waking up hungry and going to sleep hungry was just no way to live. My diet now isn't really restricted and I know I should focus on it a little more as I did put on a bit of weight but I'm happier with myself and I eat mostly what I like so its an ok balance between being ok with how I look but getting to eat the things I love now and again.

 

Carbs are definately the number one killer for me, I had tried a carb free diet at one point but although it works, it's not for me :p

[Arachno 1D]

A "diet" drink can contain asparatine and other goodies which are just as bad as sugar but this said I did read somewhere that a side effect of sparkling drinks is that it does seem to make the body absorb water more quickly than plain water.Given the small sample group in this test one has to remember it may be skewed by the placebo effect which accounts for around 30% of blind test results where the subject assumes an effect has occurred when given a placebo.

[neo1911]

This study is pure FUD. The only thing that matters is Calories in vs Calories out. A little bit of water retention can give an impression of stalled weightloss progress. But say NO to any kinds of sodas.

Been soda free since 3 years.

[taim]

500 Calories a day is insane! A year and a half ago when I finally decided to loose weight I did a 1200 a day diet I think however I would balance that with days I could eat 1500 as long as I made sure that the extra 300 were burnt by going for a run etc.

 

But i do agree, starving yourself only makes you unhappy, I remember for for a good while I would be hungry 24/7, waking up hungry and going to sleep hungry was just no way to live. My diet now isn't really restricted and I know I should focus on it a little more as I did put on a bit of weight but I'm happier with myself and I eat mostly what I like so its an ok balance between being ok with how I look but getting to eat the things I love now and again.

 

Carbs are definately the number one killer for me, I had tried a carb free diet at one point but although it works, it's not for me :p

You might lose some weight in the short run by starving yourself but in the long run you could be causing irreversible damage to your body.

[Arachno 1D]

Well that and without excersize the body will eat muscle before fat so the fat % of the body will actually increase as weight reduces

[GotBored]

There are 0 calories in water so should have produced the same results, plus water flushes all the toxins if you drink enough.

 

Water has no caffeine..You should probably read the entire post before you decide to throw in your 2 cents.

[Depicus]

Water has no caffeine..You should probably read the entire post before you decide to throw in your 2 cents.

 

I did and was trying to kindly say that the research on caffeine as an appetite suppressant is at best mixed. Some of the reports I've read suggest that rather than being a suppressant it does in fact have the opposite affect. Another study that decaf was more of a suppressant than normal coffee so my two cents is that the amount of caffeine involved may have little to no correlative affect.

[+E.Worm Jimmy Subscriber¹]

if you are skipping sugar, this should be your dessert :rofl:

 

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Could be from the caffeine. The more caffeine you have, the more alert, hyper, and active you are.  So you use/burn more energy which causes weight loss.

 

Helps, as would any stimulant.

 

500 Calories a day is insane! A year and a half ago when I finally decided to loose weight I did a 1200 a day diet I think however I would balance that with days I could eat 1500 as long as I made sure that the extra 300 were burnt by going for a run etc.

But i do agree, starving yourself only makes you unhappy, I remember for for a good while I would be hungry 24/7, waking up hungry and going to sleep hungry was just no way to live. My diet now isn't really restricted and I know I should focus on it a little more as I did put on a bit of weight but I'm happier with myself and I eat mostly what I like so its an ok balance between being ok with how I look but getting to eat the things I love now and again.

Carbs are definately the number one killer for me, I had tried a carb free diet at one point but although it works, it's not for me :p

Weight loss is calories in and calories out. As long as you have a deficit you'll lose weight from your body burning the fat for energy

1200 is too low, unless you're a 4'8 woman with a low MBR, and zero activity. Eating that low, and you'll be weak, sore, and miserable.

You can exercise all day and all night, but it wont matter unless there is a caloric deficit.

You'll always fail if you think of it as a diet. Has to be a lifestyle change, and the life style is simply not over eating. Need to balance the exercise as well so that you don't over exercise, which would cause the same symptoms as under eating because its really the same thing.

Eat healthy, proper food, and you'll be fine. You can eat tons of chicken, veggies, and fish, and never be hungry. But if you choose to eat junk foods, you'll be hungry due to their high caloric values, which means to lose weight you have to eat less over all (one donut= 300 calories vs 3 large chicken breasts= 300 calories), and weak from near zero nutritional value.

[GotBored]

I did and was trying to kindly say that the research on caffeine as an appetite suppressant is at best mixed. Some of the reports I've read suggest that rather than being a suppressant it does in fact have the opposite affect. Another study that decaf was more of a suppressant than normal coffee so my two cents is that the amount of caffeine involved may have little to no correlative affect.

 

Not sure how you were 'kindly trying to say' that when you made no mention of caffeine. As I said in my post caffeine is a mild appetite suppressant please show me this study you found which suggest otherwise.

 

The appetite suppressant part isn't even the important one as it has a short term effect, caffeine does increase you metabolism.

 

I can do a google search now and find a ton of studies that found that caffeine supplementation significantly increases your body?s energy expenditure over a period of 24 hours. The same for caffeine acting as a appetite suppressant or even as a booster for other appetite suppressants.

[duoi Veteran]

Hello,

 

I am sure this is a combination of things.

 

First, let's understand the difference between diet sodas and normal sodas. Diet sodas have only trace amount of calories. Calories in normal soda are found in the simple carbohydrate sweetener (fructose, glucose). As diet soda substitutes the sweetener for alternatives like Aspartame, it means that the diet soda is essentially calorie-free.

 

Some sodas, such as cola, typically contain Caffeine. Caffeine increases things such as depletion of sugar in the liver and the metabolic rate (this is the thermogenic effect which also increases the heart rate), pulling you into caloric deficit and encouraging fat oxidation. Because it increases serotonin and dopamine levels in the body, it means it also acts as an appetite suppressant. Consumed regularly, it masks the lack of energy in the body due to being in a caloric deficit, which also encourages people to eat less.

 

Last of all, because of the nature of the sweetener (as well as the psychological effect), it results in satiety without any form of protein or carb investment. This means that the average person will consume less and be satisfied quicker than the average person would with something like plain water.

 

Putting all of this together, we learn that diet sodas, especially caffeinated, have effects on every element of weight loss from consumption levels, perception of energy levels, and also increases fat oxidation. Once all of these elements are considered, it is unsurprising that it results in a better outcome than water for the average person.

 

Regards,

Steven Johns 

[Depicus]

Not sure how you were 'kindly trying to say' that when you made no mention of caffeine. As I said in my post caffeine is a mild appetite suppressant please show me this study you found which suggest otherwise.

 

The appetite suppressant part isn't even the important one as it has a short term effect, caffeine does increase you metabolism.

 

I can do a google search now and find a ton of studies that found that caffeine supplementation significantly increases your body?s energy expenditure over a period of 24 hours. The same for caffeine acting as a appetite suppressant or even as a booster for other appetite suppressants.

 

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/research-review-coffee-hunger

 

And I'd love to see your study where it finds caffeine is a suppressant as I'm genuinely interested in the subject.

 

I'm sure caffeine does increase your metabolism but it also increases oxidation of fat in normal weight subjects

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7369170

 

My point is that, at these levels, the inclusion of caffeine in the diet would not produce the kind of results seen in the initial study. So drinking water or 0 calorie soda with it's resultant chemicals I would rather drink water than soda.

[GotBored]

http://www.precisionnutrition.com/research-review-coffee-hunger

 

And I'd love to see your study where it finds caffeine is a suppressant as I'm genuinely interested in the subject.

 

I'm sure caffeine does increase your metabolism but it also increases oxidation of fat in normal weight subjects

 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7369170

 

My point is that, at these levels, the inclusion of caffeine in the diet would not produce the kind of results seen in the initial study. So drinking water or 0 calorie soda with it's resultant chemicals I would rather drink water than soda.

 

Your first link says that Caffeine is used to control appetite (appetite suppressant), which is supporting what I said not what you said.

 

Fat oxidation (or 'beta oxidation') is the body's way of breaking down these large molecules into smaller molecules that it can use for energy.

- That is a good thing, so thanks for posting study information which tells us this. (Again supporting what I said about caffeine increasing metabolism)

 

Not sure where your links are that prove me wrong but thanks for posting links which say exactly what I was saying, if you find a study that suggest otherwise please revert back to the links you just posted as a rebuttal.. lol.

[Depicus]

Your first link says that Caffeine is used to control appetite (appetite suppressant), which is supporting what I said not what you said.

 

Fat oxidation (or 'beta oxidation') is the body's way of breaking down these large molecules into smaller molecules that it can use for energy.

- That is a good thing, so thanks for posting study information which tells us this. (Again supporting what I said about caffeine increasing metabolism)

 

Not sure where your links are that prove me wrong but thanks for posting links which say exactly what I was saying, if you find a study that suggest otherwise please revert back to the links you just posted as a rebuttal.. lol.

 

Not sure where you get this idea I was trying to prove you wrong. Maybe a few to many coffees have made you over sensitive.

 

My point is the amounts - if you are right, which you may well be, would not be enough to warrant such large weight loss seen in this study.

[Arachno 1D]

Hello,

 

I am sure this is a combination of things.

 

First, let's understand the difference between diet sodas and normal sodas. Diet sodas have only trace amount of calories. Calories in normal soda are found in the simple carbohydrate sweetener (fructose, glucose). As diet soda substitutes the sweetener for alternatives like Aspartame, it means that the diet soda is essentially calorie-free.

 

Some sodas, such as cola, typically contain Caffeine. Caffeine increases things such as depletion of sugar in the liver and the metabolic rate (this is the thermogenic effect which also increases the heart rate), pulling you into caloric deficit and encouraging fat oxidation. Because it increases serotonin and dopamine levels in the body, it means it also acts as an appetite suppressant. Consumed regularly, it masks the lack of energy in the body due to being in a caloric deficit, which also encourages people to eat less.

 

Last of all, because of the nature of the sweetener (as well as the psychological effect), it results in satiety without any form of protein or carb investment. This means that the average person will consume less and be satisfied quicker than the average person would with something like plain water.

 

Putting all of this together, we learn that diet sodas, especially caffeinated, have effects on every element of weight loss from consumption levels, perception of energy levels, and also increases fat oxidation. Once all of these elements are considered, it is unsurprising that it results in a better outcome than water for the average person.

 

Regards,

Steven Johns 

Whilst I agree with some of your argument you did not mention the bodies ability to better cope with and usually benefit from at least some natural sugars like glucose derived from honey, tree and vine fruits, flowers, berries, and most root vegetables as opposed to man made processed sugars like cane and beet sugar.The substitution of such sugars with the likes of Asparitine I have previously read to cause other health issues themselves.

[GotBored]

Not sure where you get this idea I was trying to prove you wrong. Maybe a few to many coffees have made you over sensitive.

 

My point is the amounts - if you are right, which you may well be, would not be enough to warrant such large weight loss seen in this study.

 

Maybe you should check your previous posts which quoted mine.

 

Also the weight loss wasn't large. It was only over a two week period. Caffeine isn't going to make you lose a ton of fat but it does have some benefits in regards to weight loss hence why diet soda can be more beneficial than water for weight loss as the study linked in the original thread post says. But with that being said weight-loss and health don't automatically go hand-in-hand. Just because someone is skinny doesn't mean they are healthy, it also doesn't mean that drinking diet soda is healthier than drinking water.

[Arachno 1D]

. Just because someone is skinny doesn't mean they are healthy, it also doesn't mean that drinking diet soda is healthier than drinking water.

I quite agree as a much lighter person can actually have more body fat per kilo than a much heavier person who is muscular and starving oneself without additional excersize just brings on the bodys own defense mechanism where you end up going from a small weight loss to a heavy weight gain over several weeks.

[duoi Veteran]

Whilst I agree with some of your argument you did not mention the bodies ability to better cope with and usually benefit from at least some natural sugars like glucose derived from honey, tree and vine fruits, flowers, berries, and most root vegetables as opposed to man made processed sugars like cane and beet sugar.The substitution of such sugars with the likes of Asparitine I have previously read to cause other health issues themselves.

 

Hello,

 

There is no difference between the sugars or our body's reaction to them. "Processed" foods vs "natural" foods is just marketing buzz invoking the fallacy of appealing to nature in attempt to capitalize on chemophobia. Honey actually has more carbohydrates per spoon than granulated sugar, and if someone were a diabetic, it'd be healthier for them to choose the granulated sugar.

 

Also, Aspartame in itself has no adverse health problems.