LifeHacker calls our Neowin..

[fusi0n]

LOL..

 

[chrisj1968]

so basically this is just a warning on not installing this on a production machine rather, a test machine.. correct?

[spaceelf]

so basically this is just a warning on not installing this on a production machine rather, a test machine.. correct?

Looks like it's just about the user tracking stuff.

 

Honestly, I don't mind if they get some info from me.  This isn't quite as stable as 8.1, but its pretty damn close.

[Active.]

'you should not be using the Technical Preview for anything even remotely sensitive'

 

I wonder how many around here will heed that advice.

[Stokkolm]

LOL, when I saw that post last week my jaw literally dropped. What's the point of them even releasing the TP if they can't collect information about how people use it?

[Active.]

 What's the point of them even releasing the TP if they can't collect information about how people use it?

How far would you let them to go as far as collecting information is concerned? Would you be fine with MS running non-stop screen recordings? Letting them have full access to the contents of the system drive? Etc... I don't think it's entirely black-and-white..

[Max Norris]

How far would you let them to go as far as collecting information is concerned? Would you be fine with MS running non-stop screen recordings? Letting them have full access to the contents of the system drive? Etc... I don't think it's entirely black-and-white..

Aside from the fact they didn't actually do that, but *shrug* even if they did it would be announced up front as, you know, it's been repeated to death and some people still can't wrap their brain around it.. test build is not the same as a release.. they specifically put this thing up to, well, test stuff and monitor the results.  IE, don't like it, don't install it, about as black and white as it gets.  Wait for the CP next year if you don't want to participate.  

[Active.]

don't like it, don't install it, about as black and white as it gets.  

So Microsoft's privacy statement, regardless of its content, is exempt from criticism since you're not forced to agree to it? Are you sure you have thought that position through?

[Max Norris]

So Microsoft's privacy statement, regardless of its content, is exempt from criticism since you're not forced to agree to it? Are you sure you have though that position through?

Why would you assume the regular privacy statement even applies to this?  THEY TELL YOU THEY'RE DOING IT.   It's not a release version of Windows for the general consumer. At all.  It's a test build specifically designed to get telemetry.  Have you even though about what you're complaining about?  If they put this sort of thing in the version they sell, then yea, fire away with the moral outrage.  But this?  Please. At least some sites apparently are actually focusing on the facts and not go off the deep end with the rhetoric when it doesn't even apply.

[Stokkolm]

 

So Microsoft's privacy statement, regardless of its content, is exempt from criticism since you're not forced to agree to it? Are you sure you have thought that position through?

 

This isn't their privacy statement, this is the agreement for using the TECHNICAL PREVIEW RELEASE. 

[Active.]

This isn't their privacy statement, this is the agreement for using the TECHNICAL PREVIEW RELEASE. 

Their technical preview's privacy statement.

[game_over]

Why would you assume the regular privacy statement even applies to this?  THEY TELL YOU THEY'RE DOING IT.   It's not a release version of Windows for the general consumer. At all.  It's a test build specifically designed to get telemetry.  Have you even though about what you're complaining about?  If they put this sort of thing in the version they sell, then yea, fire away with the moral outrage.  But this?  Please. At least some sites apparently are actually focusing on the facts and not go off the deep end with the rhetoric when it doesn't even apply.

 

 

I can't believe it's even up for debate. Neowin can be hard work some times.

[Ian S.]

How far would you let them to go as far as collecting information is concerned? Would you be fine with MS running non-stop screen recordings? Letting them have full access to the contents of the system drive? Etc... I don't think it's entirely black-and-white..

 

In fact, yes, yes I would. Why? (see below)

 

So Microsoft's privacy statement, regardless of its content, is exempt from criticism since you're not forced to agree to it? Are you sure you have thought that position through?

 

 

A couple of reasons

• Microsoft's privacy statement does not necessarily apply to a BETA/ALPHA build of Windows
• The TOS specifically states what they are doing
• What they are not doing is hiding it like Google
• IT IS AN ALPHA, I.E. Microsoft has the right to scan your drives to figure out exactly what you are doing, you agree to it when you sign up for the ALPHA test
• They are not going to extreme and looking in your personal files
• You are not supposed to be using Windows 10 as your main PC. 

[Stokkolm]

Their technical preview's privacy statement.

Seriously? Ok, it's their technical preview privacy statement. To use the TECHNICAL PREVIEW! It is not the same thing as their official release privacy statement. They WON'T be collecting this data in the final release. They are collecting it to improve the next version of Windows by detecting certain patterns, etc... about how people use the operating system.

[MikeChipshop Member]

I spy quite a lot of people here that shouldn't be using the technical preview if they're going to get their knickers in a twist over data collection FFS.

[fusi0n]

This was just more for a laugh that Neowin got called out by another website.. I didn't mean to start a war on Windows 10..

[Active.]

I spy quite a lot of people here that shouldn't be using the technical preview if they're going to get their knickers in a twist over data collection FFS.

I can only speak for myself, but for me this will never leave the walled garden of a VM and won't have access to any of my personal data, nor, as suggested by Lifehacker, will I be using it "for anything even remotely sensitive". 

[Circaflex]

How far would you let them to go as far as collecting information is concerned? Would you be fine with MS running non-stop screen recordings? Letting them have full access to the contents of the system drive? Etc... I don't think it's entirely black-and-white..

I wouldn't have a problem with it because I wouldn't be using it as my main system, wouldn't be doing banking on it, etc etc. They could record anything they want, wouldn't bother me; now for those using it as their main workstation and production machine, sure they have a reason to be weary but why on earth would you run it as your main system?

[MikeChipshop Member]

I can only speak for myself, but for me this will never leave the walled garden of a VM and won't have access to any of my personal data, nor, as suggested by Lifehacker, will I be using it "for anything even remotely sensitive". 

 

Exactly. This is what any one using the technical preview should be doing.

[HawkMan]

I can only speak for myself, but for me this will never leave the walled garden of a VM and won't have access to any of my personal data, nor, as suggested by Lifehacker, will I be using it "for anything even remotely sensitive". 

 

Funny. that's what Microsoft says, it's not a production OS for production use on your regular computer. 

[Active.]

Funny. that's what Microsoft says, it's not a production OS for production use on your regular computer. 

It goes further than that though. With the privacy statement as it is, I wouldn't even use it to log myself into websites.

[Circaflex]

It goes further than that though. With the privacy statement as it is, I wouldn't even use it to log myself into websites.

well duh, but shame on you if you use the same password across all sites. Forums are one thing, but to do financial/banking on a test os is laughable

[Dashel]

So they want us to use our linked accounts and spend 'quality' time with the build, but we are supposed to leave all concern at the door?  Wow.

 

There has always been a line in the sand around 'identifiable' data.  That line still hasn't been crossed as far as I'm aware. 

[Ian S.]

I can only speak for myself, but for me this will never leave the walled garden of a VM and won't have access to any of my personal data, nor, as suggested by Lifehacker, will I be using it "for anything even remotely sensitive". 

Which is good, as it is a pre-pre-release build so you should NOT be running it as your main OS. As a matter of fact, you probably shouldn't be running it anyways. Tell us, how would YOU propose Microsoft get data about the interactions with the TP?

[Active.]

Which is good, as it is a pre-pre-release build so you should NOT be running it as your main OS. As a matter of fact, you probably shouldn't be running it anyways. Tell us, how would YOU propose Microsoft get data about the interactions with the TP?

build in fine-grained controls and let the user decide what and how much she wants to share beyond providing bug reports and other written feedback. If the user doesn't want her keypresses recorded or browsing history sent to Microsoft, let her opt out of it.