+Frank B. Subscriber² Posted January 31, 2015 Subscriber² Share Posted January 31, 2015 Using components from older Windows versions rather than testing the new components and giving Microsoft feedback about them is missing the point of a technical preview entirely. Want to use the old calculator, control panel and whatnot? Stick to Windows 8. Ice_Blue, Anibal P and Dot Matrix 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Active. Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Just have a phone or pocket calculator (HP 32sII) like I do if you don't like the Windows calculator. I thought we were consolidating devices? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739148 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Still too big. Maybe...one day. I would be ok with it being smaller...like below. Note: The smaller calculator is a Photoshop by me. Too small. How are people supposed to use that on a tablet? On a high resolution screen, you'll barely be able to see that. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739188 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted January 31, 2015 Global Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2015 Too small. How are people supposed to use that on a tablet? On a high resolution screen, you'll barely be able to see that. I beg to differ on it being too small. Point being...why not have a "compact" option for general desktop usage or for people who don't want 1/3 of their screen to be a calculator (yes I did a feedback). It can still be Modern (I do not care) but a calculator shouldn't take up that much space on a desktop. DeusProto 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739200 Share on other sites More sharing options...
firey Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Too small. How are people supposed to use that on a tablet? On a high resolution screen, you'll barely be able to see that. And why exactly should desktop users care about tablet users? Jim K, Torolol, :B: Rex and 3 others 6 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAZMINATOR Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I beg to differ on it being too small. Point being...allowing the huge calculator to be more compact for everyday desktop usage. It can still be Modern...that I do not care about. A calculator shouldn't take up a third of the screen on a desktop. Don't forget about people who have fat fingers... they could have that calculator on their tablet/AIO/desktop. If you want small, then use it on your phone or standard calculator, simple. IF MS listened your feedback, then they resize it smaller, then people with fat fingers will complain to MS and it's too small for their fingers. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739206 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted January 31, 2015 Global Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2015 Don't forget about people who have fat fingers... they could have that calculator on their tablet/AIO/desktop. If you want small, then use it on your phone or standard calculator, simple. IF MS listened your feedback, then they resize it smaller, then people with fat fingers will complain to MS and it's too small for their fingers. What do fat fingers have to do with desktop usage??? Didn't realize the size of programs affects keyboards. +E.Worm Jimmy, DeusProto and firey 3 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739208 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAZMINATOR Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 What do fat fingers have to do with desktop usage??? Hello! Desktop with touchscreen monitors! I was talking about touch.. I have desktop with touch screen monitor. But I use calculator on my phone or office calculator. I don't have fat fingers but it works fine on my end. touch or keyboard. The size is fine on my end. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted January 31, 2015 Global Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2015 Hello! Desktop with touchscreen monitors! I was talking about touch.. I have desktop with touch screen monitor. But I use calculator on my phone or office calculator. I don't have fat fingers but it works fine on my end. touch or keyboard. The size is fine on my end. OK. Well, I never did say to get rid of the gigantic calculator...I asked for the option to have a smaller one. That is all...the visual impaired, touch screen users and fat finger folks can have the big ol' calculator. Curious...what are the current usage stats for people with fat fingers that primarily use touchscreen on their desktop? DeusProto 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeusProto Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Very nice. The new calculator follows the typical minimalist BS and eliminates several features that are in the tried and true Win7/8 Calculator like Worksheets. I'm sure by RTM the morbidly obese corpulent sized Metro/AncientUI calculator will have even more features deprecated "so as to not confuse novice users with excessive option panels and buttons" I am also not saying to get rid of the rotund sized calculator, just give us DESKTOP users who use a MOUSE and KEYBOARD the option of making it as small as we'd like. And also an option to have a non-1980s MS-DOS GUI in these apps would be nice too. There isn't even a basic line seperator for the buttons! Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anibal P Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 It's really sad to see people just don't get it and still want to use old crap instead of working with MS to make a better product, and worse, from what I've seen the new calc has most of the features of the old one, but the haters here are too busy bashing it's looks to see that, as usual Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
onewarmslime Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Curious...what are the current usage stats for people with fat fingers that primarily use touchscreen on their desktop? 0.01%? Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739266 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 It's really sad to see people just don't get it and still want to use old crap instead of working with MS to make a better product, and worse, from what I've seen the new calc has most of the features of the old one, but the haters here are too busy bashing it's looks to see that, as usual Same story different year. People did this with Vista, 7, 8, 8.1, and now 10. Seems there is some unwritten rule that things must not change. That's not how the world works, though. Anibal P 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
firey Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Hello! Desktop with touchscreen monitors! I was talking about touch.. I have desktop with touch screen monitor. But I use calculator on my phone or office calculator. I don't have fat fingers but it works fine on my end. touch or keyboard. The size is fine on my end. How often exactly do you use the touchscreen? Doesn't make sense to me to be reaching across a desk to poke your monitor. DeusProto 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739272 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 How often exactly do you use the touchscreen? Doesn't make sense to me to be reaching across a desk to poke your monitor. I reach across on my Surface constantly. It's much quicker than going for the mouse. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted January 31, 2015 Global Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2015 I reach across on my Surface constantly. It's much quicker than going for the mouse. I'm fairly certain he was talk about desktops. I can barely reach my monitors. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739282 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshall Veteran Posted January 31, 2015 Veteran Share Posted January 31, 2015 where'd you get that wallpaper? is it part of the Tech Preview? http://brebenel-silviu.deviantart.com/art/Google-Inspired-Wallpaper-Night-405538623 Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'm fairly certain he was talk about desktops. I can barely reach my monitors. My monitors are always within arms reach. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739288 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted January 31, 2015 Global Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2015 My monitors are always within arms reach. ok? Mine aren't...neither at home or at work. 30 inches from me to the monitors and arms are only about 24 inches long. Monitors at work are probably the same if not just a bit further away. Personally, I do not like being right up on top of the monitors...maybe one day when my eyesight starts to fail. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pack34 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'm fairly certain he was talk about desktops. I can barely reach my monitors. Using my wife's AiO, my Surface, and my work touchscreen laptop, I've found myself to use the touchscreen a lot more in traditional desktop and desktop like situations. Of course you won't be using it constantly or in all situations but it's really nice to have that additional mode of input. As for specific situations, I find myself using it: paning around a map, scrolling through a document, navigating the GUI when I'm first setting into work (login, etc), occasionally launching applications, or when showing someone how to do something on the computer. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739296 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim K Global Moderator Posted January 31, 2015 Global Moderator Share Posted January 31, 2015 Using my wife's AiO, my Surface, and my work touchscreen laptop, I've found myself to use the touchscreen a lot more in traditional desktop and desktop like situations. Of course you won't be using it constantly or in all situations but it's really nice to have that additional mode of input. As for specific situations, I find myself using it: paning around a map, scrolling through a document, navigating the GUI when I'm first setting into work (login, etc), occasionally launching applications, or when showing someone how to do something on the computer. Oh, don't get me wrong. I can fully understand the convenience of touch on smaller devices, such as the Surface and notebooks. I'm not familiar with an AiO (assuming mobile device?). However, the larger you go up in screen size and the further you sit from that screen the less useful touch becomes obviously. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739306 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dot Matrix Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I'm not familiar with an AiO (assuming mobile device?). AiO = All in One desktop Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pack34 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 Oh, don't get me wrong. I can fully understand the convenience of touch on smaller devices, such as the Surface and notebooks. I'm not familiar with an AiO (assuming mobile device?). However, the larger you go up in screen size and the further you sit from that screen the less useful touch becomes obviously. One like this: http://shop.lenovo.com/us/en/desktops/lenovo/a-series/a540/?sb=:000001C9:00012520: Jim K 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
siah1214 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 There is only one use-case-scenario, and it is Dot Matrix's. All other use cases don't exist or are invalid. I too wouldn't mind a mini calculator for my desktop. I use the numpad to interact with it anyway, so it doesn't matter how big the buttons are. DeusProto 1 Share Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAZMINATOR Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 How often exactly do you use the touchscreen? Doesn't make sense to me to be reaching across a desk to poke your monitor. I'm fairly certain he was talk about desktops. I can barely reach my monitors. ok? Mine aren't...neither at home or at work. 30 inches from me to the monitors and arms are only about 24 inches long. Monitors at work are probably the same if not just a bit further away. Personally, I do not like being right up on top of the monitors...maybe one day when my eyesight starts to fail. Oh, don't get me wrong. I can fully understand the convenience of touch on smaller devices, such as the Surface and notebooks. I'm not familiar with an AiO (assuming mobile device?). However, the larger you go up in screen size and the further you sit from that screen the less useful touch becomes obviously. Mine has touchscreen monitor which acts like All in One desktop. Instead, I hooked my monitor up to my PC. Don't forget that we have the full-motion mount/arm attached to the desk or wall. That can extend about 15" toward to you. Right now, it's sitting on my desk and I plan to get a mount so I could mount it on the wall on the left of me. I use it for presentations. People to come by to check my work and they tell me any modifications or not. Link to comment https://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1245246-old-calculator-for-windows-10-from-windows-7-or-windows-8/page/2/#findComment-596739330 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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