Intel: XP users causing weak sales

[Noir Angel]

  On 15/03/2015 at 22:38, warwagon said:

Correct, plus there is something called the "Run" box. Which I use quite freqent on XP .... want the control panel on XP? ...Windows key +R then type control and press enter.

 

services? Services.msc and press enter

 

I like to assign shortcut keys to apps as well. I have paint opening with CTRL+ALT+P and notepad with CTRL+ALT+N

[Jim K Global Moderator]

  On 15/03/2015 at 22:33, Dot Matrix said:

I know how to use Windows.

 

A true Windows pro isn't going to waste their time clicking around like a madman, like you're forced to in XP. Windows XP is very much the definition of "Anti-productive".

 

A true windows pro.  Funny.  Now I understand why you like big square buttons.

[binaryzero]

It's clear to me that half of the people who've responded to this threat have never worked in corporate IT. 

 

It's simple fact that XP will still be around for a few years.

[Dot Matrix]

  On 15/03/2015 at 22:35, Javik said:

That's utter nonsense, settings really aren't that hard to find in XP if you actually know what you're doing. I can set up XP machines just as quickly as 7/8.x machines.

Again, that's not nonsense, it's fact. The Control Panel, and Windows XP Start Menu is nothing but an endless stream of pop up dialogs that force you to click, click, click, and click to get to where you need to go. Between clicking "Properties", "Advanced", different tabs, menus, sub menus, etc, you're leading yourself, and the end user on a wild goose chase. Something which they try to bypass, by creating a thousand and one desktop shortcuts - leading to a whole new mess to sort through.

 

There is nothing at all efficient about this method of computing.

[Noir Angel]

  On 15/03/2015 at 22:47, Dot Matrix said:

Again, that's not nonsense, it's fact. The Control Panel, and Windows XP Start Menu is nothing but an endless stream of pop up dialogs that force you to click, click, click, and click to get to where you need to go. Between clicking "Properties", "Advanced", different tabs, menus, sub menus, etc, you're leading yourself, and the end user on a wild goose chase.

 

Those settings are in much the same place in Windows 8.1, though the important things like changing resolution require about the same amount of clicks. In fact changing the setting to stop the OS turning off the hard disk after 20 minutes requires me to go through 5 different sub menus in 8.1. You're talking crap.

[Dot Matrix]

  On 15/03/2015 at 22:38, warwagon said:

Correct, plus there is something called the "Run" box. Which I use quite freqent on XP .... want the control panel on XP? ...Windows key +R then type control and press enter.

 

services? Services.msc and press enter

 

is what you do when you can't find what you are looking for

 

You make it sound like it takes 100 clicks to do anything, you are just being overly dramatic.

Run forces you to know the correct file name you're looking to run. Again, a highly inefficient method.

[Ian W]

  On 15/03/2015 at 22:50, Dot Matrix said:

Run forces you to know the correct file name you're looking to run. Again, a highly inefficient method.

And the full path for certain programs?

[Dot Matrix]

  On 15/03/2015 at 22:50, Javik said:

Those settings are in much the same place in Windows 8.1, though the important things like changing resolution require about the same amount of clicks.

No, they're not. There are major differences between XP and Windows 8.1 system settings and file paths.

[chrisj1968]

I'm surprised companies didn't make an excuse of "cost issues" but, ROI would be much better if they had a more secure OS with less security costs as well.

[Noir Angel]

  On 15/03/2015 at 22:52, Dot Matrix said:

No, they're not. There are major differences between XP and Windows 8.1 system settings and file paths.

 

To change the setting to stop the computer turning HDD's off after 20 minutes in 8.1.

 

Right click on desktop > personalise > screensaver > change power settings > change plan settings > change advanced power settings

 

I reiterate: you're talking nonsense.

[Dot Matrix]

  On 15/03/2015 at 22:56, Javik said:

To change the setting to stop the computer turning HDD's off after 20 minutes in 8.1.

 

Right click on desktop > personalise > screensaver > change power settings > change plan settings > change advanced power settings

 

I reiterate: you're talking nonsense.

See? You just proved my point. Click, click, click, click. All you have to do is type "Power" into Start, and go - All without having to pick up your hands from the keyboard. And who is still playing around with Screensavers to even see that?

[Noir Angel]

  On 15/03/2015 at 23:01, Dot Matrix said:

See? You just proved my point. Click, click, click, click. All you have to do is type "Power" into Start, and go - All without having to pick up your hands from the keyboard. And who is still playing around with Screensavers to even see that?

 

Still requires you to go through 3 menus. And you do realise start menu search offered that same functionality, right?

[Dot Matrix]

  On 15/03/2015 at 23:03, Javik said:

Still requires you to go through 3 menus. And you do realise start menu search offered that same functionality, right?

Windows XP has no start menu search. It has some sad, 90's era window that may or may not locate anything at all you're searching for, and is further compounded by a dog which makes me want to punch the screen each time I see it.

[Ian W]

  On 15/03/2015 at 23:03, Javik said:

Still requires you to go through 3 menus.

That is just one way to get to the option in Windows 8.1. I believe that you deliberately chose one of the longest routes to suit your agenda; I can find at least one example where Windows XP requires that many clicks / menus: Start menu -> Control Panel -> Power Options.

With Windows 8.1, one can just use instant search to location the option from the Start screen. This is simply not possible with the Windows XP Start menu.

[Noir Angel]

  On 15/03/2015 at 23:09, Dot Matrix said:

Windows XP has no start menu search. It has some sad, 90's era window that may or may not locate anything at all you're searching for, and is further compounded by a dog which makes me want to punch the screen each time I see it.

 

And yet you could achieve what you were looking for with about the same number of clicks. I've been setting up XP machines since it was released and I've never had trouble setting one up once. The only thing more time consuming is the update system.

  On 15/03/2015 at 23:10, Ian W said:

That is just one way to get to the option in Windows 8.1. I believe that you deliberately chose one of the longest routes to suit your agenda; I can find at least one example where Windows XP requires that many clicks / menus: Start menu -> Control Panel -> Power Options.

With Windows 8.1, one can just use instant search to location the option from the Start screen. This is simply not possible with the Windows XP Start menu.

 

So was dot choosing irrelevant examples to suit his. People who actually know what they are doing will have no problem speedily setting up an XP computer.

[Ian W]

  On 15/03/2015 at 23:12, Javik said:

People who actually know what they are doing will have no problem speedily setting up an XP computer.

While I agree with this, I believe that instant search does make things faster even for those who do know how (and where) to navigate within the interface.

[Jim K Global Moderator]

  On 15/03/2015 at 22:47, Dot Matrix said:

Again, that's not nonsense, it's fact. The Control Panel, and Windows XP Start Menu is nothing but an endless stream of pop up dialogs that force you to click, click, click, and click to get to where you need to go. Between clicking "Properties", "Advanced", different tabs, menus, sub menus, etc, you're leading yourself, and the end user on a wild goose chase. Something which they try to bypass, by creating a thousand and one desktop shortcuts - leading to a whole new mess to sort through.

 

There is nothing at all efficient about this method of computing.

What are you trying to find.  You do realize that Jimmy Hoffa isn't buried within all these "pop dialogs" and "click, click, clicks"

 

Any "Pro" should be able to walk people through the various XP settings...it really isn't that difficult nor is it a wild goose chase.

 

  On 15/03/2015 at 23:01, Dot Matrix said:

See? You just proved my point. Click, click, click, click. All you have to do is type "Power" into Start, and go - All without having to pick up your hands from the keyboard. And who is still playing around with Screensavers to even see that?

 

In XP all you had to do was type powercfg ... am I right?  Been a while but I'm fairly certain that works.

[vcfan]

intel should build logic in their cpus from now on that will prevent old and outdated windows from running. and just to be on the safe side, the cpu will self destruct after 10 years.

[(Account no longer active)]

'but and the remaining ones can't buy new pcs anymore with working drivers'

- Yeh, blame the end user. Why can't Microsoft come up with a solution to this?

[Ian W]

  On 15/03/2015 at 23:21, vcfan said:

intel should build logic in their cpus from now on that will prevent old and outdated windows from running. and just to be on the safe side, the cpu will self destruct after 10 years.

This is a ridiculous idea. I hope you're not serious.

[Dot Matrix]

  On 15/03/2015 at 23:20, jjkusaf said:

What are you trying to find.  You do realize that Jimmy Hoffa isn't buried within all these "pop dialogs" and "click, click, clicks"

 

Any "Pro" should be able to walk people through the various XP settings...it really isn't that difficult nor is it a wild goose chase.

 

 

In XP all you had to do was type powercfg ... am I right?  Been a while but I'm fairly certain that works.

IP address settings are buried underneath a dozen clicks. (Thankfully, that is changing in Windows 10.) Other important networking settings are buried. The Start Menu offers no search... Need to find an app? There's more time spent clicking around. Display properties are also buried in clicks. The list goes on.

[+Warwagon MVC]

  On 15/03/2015 at 22:50, Dot Matrix said:

Run forces you to know the correct file name you're looking to run. Again, a highly inefficient method.

 

Unless you actually remember what things are called without having to search for them then it's highly efficient.

 

From the way you are talking, it's amazing anybody got anything done in these last 35+years.

[Dot Matrix]

  On 15/03/2015 at 23:54, warwagon said:

Unless you actually remember what things are called without having to search for them then it's highly efficient.

 

From the way you are talking, it's amazing anybody got anything done in these last 35+years.

Joe user hasn't been using computers for much of the past 35 years.

[sc302 Veteran]

while joe user has not, many people who are in their 30's-50's have..there was no easy way around dos until windows came around.  you had to know commands.  memorizing a dozen or so commands that you use frequently isn't that big of a deal.  It also helps knowing those commands when a computer search isn't as fast as you typing in a command and hitting enter (most are, but sometimes computers run slow)  knowing the command is much faster in some cases than waiting for the search to complete. . 

[+Warwagon MVC]

  On 16/03/2015 at 00:27, sc302 said:

while joe user has not, many people who are in their 30's-50's have..there was no easy way around dos until windows came around.  you had to know commands.  memorizing a dozen or so commands that you use frequently isn't that big of a deal.  It also helps knowing those commands when a computer search isn't as fast as you typing in a command and hitting enter (most are, but sometimes computers run slow)  knowing the command is much faster in some cases than waiting for the search to complete. . 

 

Plus, depending on how fast you type, I can the c:\ location I want to go in about 5 seconds or less.

 

I can type c:\users\owner\appdata\local\microsoft\windows\temporary internet files\content.ie5

 

in about 10 seconds.

 

I typed some of that in the Start Screen search and all it gave me options to do was search for it on bing.

 

I also typed in system32 ... same thing.